How good is RSAF ?

[angie II]

Where did I say they should buy Cessnas

Even if they cut the number of combat aircraft by 80% they would still have more planes than any other nation in SE Asia.

Why you actually bothered to reply to this clone angie ll who has no balls to use his real nick sunsand? (see below link)

http://www.singsupplies.com/member.php?u=7279

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[angie II]

sunsand is PAP doggy who claimed to be a higher mortal months ago.

http://www.singsupplies.com/showpost.php?p=253923&postcount=44

But he is stupid and gave himself away with subsequent logins.

1st he logged in as angie ll
then kena banned by me.
next he logged in as sunsand
and kena banned again.
next he logged in as angie.
again kena banned by me.

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[scroobal]

Looks like Singaporeans have little idea about their own defence force. Not surprising that this govt conceals everything.

1) RSAF is even bigger than OZ and NZ airforces combined.
2) RSAF operates from operational air force bases in the US, France, Phillippines and South Africa and a training base in Perth. There is also long standing air base in Thailand.
3) The equipment is of the same capability as those sold to Isrealis. US aircraft some of similar models sold to other countries have their advanced avionics and targeting acquiring technology disabled which Mahathir famously revealed.
4) SAF doctrine has been grounded since the 1980s on first strike capability of the airforce which mirrors the Isreal's doctrine which they displayed to the world during the 6 day war where their air force played the pivotal role of destroying the Egyptians offence capability within the first 24 hrs.
5) Anyone with a some sense of observation will note the emergency runways which are part of our expressways, one in the east and one in the west both guarded by Army camps with underground hangars built in stages by foreign labours so that no foreigner knows how the whole thing looks like.
6) The fighting formations are overseas with one formation at home.

Armour is the second most important component in the doctrine. Note again the similarity with the Isrealis.

 

[scroobal]

Looks like Singaporeans have little idea about their own defence force. Not surprising that this govt conceals everything.

1) RSAF is even bigger than OZ and NZ airforces combined.
2) RSAF operates from operational air force bases in the US, France, Phillippines and South Africa and a training base in Perth. There is also long standing air base in Thailand.
3) The equipment is of the same capability as those sold to Isrealis. US aircraft some of similar models sold to other countries have their advanced avionics and targeting acquiring technology disabled which Mahathir famously revealed.
4) SAF doctrine has been grounded since the 1980s on first strike capability of the airforce which mirrors the Isreal's doctrine which they displayed to the world during the 6 day war where their air force played the pivotal role of destroying the Egyptians offence capability within the first 24 hrs.
5) Anyone with a some sense of observation will note the emergency runways which are part of our expressways, one in the east and one in the west both guarded by Army camps with underground hangars built in stages by foreign labours so that no foreigner knows how the whole thing looks like.
6) The fighting formations are overseas with one formation at home.

Armour is the second most important component in the doctrine. Note again the similarity with the Isrealis.

 

[Papsmearer]

Looks like Singaporeans have little idea about their own defence force. Not surprising that this govt conceals everything.

1) RSAF is even bigger than OZ and NZ airforces combined.

Its even bigger and more capable than some NATO countries such as Canada. Not every NATO country has AWACS cability nor in flight refuel capability.
2) RSAF operates from operational air force bases in the US, France, Phillippines and South Africa and a training base in Perth. There is also long standing air base in Thailand.
These are not operational bases, they are training bases. U mention Katchanburi, but there is also Pekanbaru in Indonesia, Clark in Phillippines, and also even Butterworth in Georgetown long ago.
3) The equipment is of the same capability as those sold to Isrealis. US aircraft some of similar models sold to other countries have their advanced avionics and targeting acquiring technology disabled which Mahathir famously revealed.
Yes and no. The US avionics actually is inferior to the Israelis. That is why in the Block 52 F-16s, the US supplies the airframe, but the avionics hump on the spine is fitted with Israeli avionics. The US will not release the source codes for the radar to be upgraded, also in the past they would not release AMRAAMs to us even though we have bought it. I think they are in-country now. The US will not release same capability to even their closest allies like the Brits.
4) SAF doctrine has been grounded since the 1980s on first strike capability of the airforce which mirrors the Isreal's doctrine which they displayed to the world during the 6 day war where their air force played the pivotal role of destroying the Egyptians offence capability within the first 24 hrs.
If you are talking about the 1967 War, the IDF will not do that again. In 1973 Yom Kippur, the IDF was getting its butt kicked all over the place by the SAM unbrella employed by the Eygptian. In today's scenario, it will be very difficult to duplicate the success of the 1967 first strike success, both for the IDF and for the SAF.
5) Anyone with a some sense of observation will note the emergency runways which are part of our expressways, one in the east and one in the west both guarded by Army camps with underground hangars built in stages by foreign labours so that no foreigner knows how the whole thing looks like.
6) The fighting formations are overseas with one formation at home.

Armour is the second most important component in the doctrine. Note again the similarity with the Isrealis.
The second most important component now is the Navy as evidcenced by all the money spend on it in reason years, more than even the Air Force.

In any case, the Israeli advisors will be front and centre if any problems occur.

 

[boundThunter]

Looks like Singaporeans have little idea about their own defence force. Not surprising that this govt conceals everything.

1) RSAF is even bigger than OZ and NZ airforces combined.

NZ has no airforce since 10 years ago and you are divulging too much secrets here

It is good to compare the SAF to the IDF, the Israelis overseas actually came back to fight the Arabs but how many able bodied Sinkees will flee at the prospect of an imminent war ? The weapons might be the same, but the users, are they as tough ?

Look at the threads and the condemnations against the NS, about the loss of 2 years job prospects/advancements, about the women not having to serve and why the menfolks have to, it goes on...

If one cannot make even the simple sacrifice of serving one's country with distinction and honour then what hope does that country has ?

Singaporeans just aren't as tough as they could be. NS isn't killing them, it is the attitude and culture of complainings that are the weakening factors, hence almost an entire generation of patsies filled with angste...

 

[kingrant]

Armour bases are strategically sited close to the 2 overland links to M'sia. In any case, even with them blown up, tanks can easily be inserted by helicopters and landing bridges are always fast to deploy. Our arty guns on the north can reach most parts of Johor.

Agree with Scro. Not only the RSAF, but the whole Defence Force is very capable - in terms of technology and the highly educated NSmen we have now.

Armour is the second most important component in the doctrine. Note again the similarity with the Isrealis.

 

[kingrant]

Obviously you are not a high ranking soldier involved with ops planning at Bde or even Bn level, otherwise you wld have more than yr scant knowledge of military tactics.

In modern warfare, domination of the airspace is the most important and this is achieved by a superior air strike capabiity. Artillery comes next, the range of which is extended via a mobile rapid deployable strong naval presence, gunships and tanks. All these render the enemy shell-shocked and demoralised so that following up the rear will come the infantry who do the mopping up ops and door-to-door fighting,if nec to secure and hold onto territory. Nowadays, in MOdern warfare you hardly can see the enemy. He is just a blip on the screen or some coordinates.

For the initial first strike, you need men who can operate electronic equipment and grasp advanced tech. You need the toughies at the last stage, and that may not even materialised.

The SAF doctrine is to hold out for 2 weeks in any major engagement. By which time, international peace forces are probably in action.

Singaporeans just aren't as tough as they could be. NS isn't killing them, it is the attitude and culture of complainings that are the weakening factors, hence almost an entire generation of patsies filled with angste...

 

[Sideswipe]

what if Malaysia has a pre emptive strike on us first. If they succeed in entering Singapore mainland, how do one defend a small 640km square of land?

In olden times when defending a city, once the gates are lost, it's impossible to defend the city anymore.

 

[Ramseth]

what if Malaysia has a pre emptive strike on us first. If they succeed in entering Singapore mainland, how do one defend a small 640km square of land?

In olden times when defending a city, once the gates are lost, it's impossible to defend the city anymore.

Malaysia seems to be giving us the reassurance of not interested in and not preparing for first strike since most of its operational camps and all its airbases are north of KL. If Malaysia starts moving troops and equipment toward Johor, then we worry.

 

[kingrant]

Actually, a lot has been done on the quiet. If you look at the map of Singapore, you will see that all the rivers on the western part have been closed off to become reservoirs. They have already done now for the marina barrage, and more will be done in the Northeast. So in terms of supplies, I think they are there. But the PAP will want to continue to milk the water agreeement till the last drop. If we can pay less than 5 sens for water, why not, while quietly planning and preparing for the end to come?

We are like the US, use OP's oil first till run out then tap its own.

This problem has existed for 30 years. The PAP has done nothing about it. 20 years ago, there was talk about a new water source and pipeline from the Riau islands, what happened to that?

 

[Sideswipe]

Malaysia seems to be giving us the reassurance of not interested in and not preparing for first strike since most of its operational camps and all its airbases are north of KL. If Malaysia starts moving troops and equipment toward Johor, then we worry.

Malaysia can do a airstrike from KL and troops can move from KL to Johor within half a day?

but yes, the movement of troops and equipments are always a sign of things to come.

 

[kingrant]

That is why we always have our "Eye" in the sky with our Awac. That's why KL doesnt like us to criss cross their airspace with our air squadron. WE do all that to preempt not only M'sia but others. First sign of trouble, we scramble our jets.

Malaysia can do a airstrike from KL and troops can move from KL to Johor within half a day?

but yes, the movement of troops and equipments are always a sign of things to come.

 

[johnny333]

sunsand is PAP doggy who claimed to be a higher mortal months ago.

then kena banned by me.
next he logged in as sunsand
and kena banned again.
next he logged in as angie[/SIZE].
again kena banned by me.

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You now have a hobby

However some of those dogees are over-paid civil servants while we lesser mortals are here on our own time.

Vote opposition to put a stop to wasting taxpayers $$$$

 

[Taishi Ci]

Woah! Got FAP doggy! It is the OA's favorite delicacy! Next time we will ass him!

 

[Ramseth]

That is why we always have our "Eye" in the sky with our Awac. That's why KL doesnt like us to criss cross their airspace with our air squadron. WE do all that to preempt not only M'sia but others. First sign of trouble, we scramble our jets.

There're exactly only seven countries in the world that could land troops in Singapore independently without assistance or alliances. Independently without assistance or alliances means ability to launch surprise attack.

US, UK and France won't do that. They're our allies. Russia can't be bothered; they'd never been much interested in SEA after Vietnam. That leaves Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand to watch.

 

[kingrant]

Of the three, I'll watch Indonesia the most. Maybe that's why the Sinkie govt had to butter their asses since patching up with Suharto - loaned billions to jakarta, and was always the first to send tsunami and earthquake aid teams.. they are the real Abang lah..Inche.

That leaves Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand to watch.

 

[breakingfree]

In any case, the Israeli advisors will be front and centre if any problems occur.

Bro, US avionics is not inferior to the Israelis. Just that they have different objective. For example: USA is the company that produce Honda civic type R. Israelis is your "friendly" garage that help to "pimp" ur ride.

 

[Frankiestine]

what if Malaysia has a pre emptive strike on us first. If they succeed in entering Singapore mainland, how do one defend a small 640km square of land?

That is why we have our "Eyes in the sky" and "Ears on the ground" to preempt their preemptive strike....

 

[Ramseth]

Of the three, I'll watch Indonesia the most. Maybe that's why the Sinkie govt had to butter their asses since patching up with Suharto - loaned billions to jakarta, and was always the first to send tsunami and earthquake aid teams.. they are the real Abang lah..Inche.

Though technically possible, Thailand most probably has no reason to want to do that too. Invade Singapore for what? Whether Thaksin or Abhisit in government, red or yellow, they have no reason to do that.

Thailand is more concerned with Myanmar and Malaysia. Malaysia knows that too. That's why Malaysian troops are amassed north of KL. Even Cambodia pales in comparison as a security threat. It's just a sideshow and to maintain buffer against Vietnam. Many Thai border provinces with Myanmar and Malaysia carry unresolved historical baggages of disputes.