Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and songs

[Mercury]

Re: Roc

Taiwanese are not considered oversea Chinese. They're considered simply Chinese. Taiwan is considered a province, both by PRC and ROC, both laying claim to sovereignty of all of China. The status quo is PRC has 20+ provinces on mainalnd and ROC has 1 province left in Taiwan.

Wishful thinking, I guess you never seen the Write in "Taiwanese" - US Census 2010 video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcFLfw73O30

The Taiwanese who are begging to be called Taiwanese Americans not Chinese Americans, shows just how much they refused to be in the same census as the Chinese. Unlike the Taiwanese, people of Hong Kong or Singaporean origin are considered Chinese in the U.S census.

 

[Ash007]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

Haven't been back in while. Anyway, do they still show korean show in dual sound? NHK, morning show on CNA on weekends? I always find it puzzling that these shows are shown and allowed, yet "dialects" like cantonese, hokkien shows are not shown in its original sound. I got excited once when 飞龙在天 then realised its only the song that hasn't been dubbed over. Singapore will never allow dialect shows to be shown in its original form. The damage done by the many years of speak mandarin campaign are already there. Even, if a reversal of policy is to be done now, its too little too late. The younger generations have all slowly lost all their mother tongue.

[video=youtube;UgP9PpVzsiM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgP9PpVzsiM[/video]

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

I don't think you understand the whole situation, it's more than just nationality. 51.1% of the Taiwanese population consider themselves only Taiwanese, and refused to be called as Chinese. Everyday the Taiwanese media is looking for faults on mainland China. Taiwanese dislikes Chinese and refused to be called the the brothers of Chinese.

" In recent years, especially after the 1990s, there has been a growth in the number of people identifying themselves as Taiwanese. In polls conducted by the National Chengchi University back in 1991, only 13.6% of respondents identified themselves as Taiwanese. This figure rose to 45.7% in 2004. In contrast, the number of respondents that identified themselves as Chinese was 43.9% in 1991 and fell to just 6.3% in 2004. Half of respondents responded with dual-identity, both Chinese and Taiwanese, and the statistic has remained steady with just a slight decline from 49.7% in 1992 to 45.4% in 2004. In a recent poll dated June 2009, 52.1% of Taiwan's population consider themselvesto be only Taiwanese while 39.2% consider themselves to be both Taiwanese and Chinese and 4.4% consider themselves to be Chinese only. "

Oh if that's the case then it's silly since they are speaking mandarin and all of that. It's like a sinkie chinese calling himself a jap for eg that doesn't make him more jap and less chinese.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Re: Roc

Wishful thinking, I guess you never seen the Write in "Taiwanese" - US Census 2010 video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcFLfw73O30

The Taiwanese who are begging to be called Taiwanese Americans not Chinese Americans, shows just how much they refused to be in the same census as the Chinese. Unlike the Taiwanese, people of Hong Kong or Singaporean origin are considered Chinese in the U.S census.

Oh i'm sure that's only how some taiwanese feel. Look if the taiwanese ppl feel that they are different why would they need to create a video? It's like creating a video telling black ppl they aren't africans. Do you need to create a video telling a malay sinkie he isn't asian for eg? Of course not. He knows he is asian. That's plain obvious.

Therefore what's the purpose of this video then? It's political in nature trying to distance taiwanese from the mainland chinese BUT the US census is about one's ethnicity and not his nationality.

 

[Fook Seng]

Taiwanese Chinese are more Chinese than Singaporean Chinese. They speak Chinese all the time. We don't. Taiwan's problem is political. Your ethnicity does not change but your political status can change with change in your political situation.

 

[Mercury]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

Oh if that's the case then it's silly since they are speaking mandarin and all of that. It's like a sinkie chinese calling himself a jap for eg that doesn't make him more jap and less chinese.

You're not getting the point, Taiwanese HATES being called Chinese whether if you're referring to them ethnically or nationality. The only thing they can't deny is that their origins came from China and are of Han Chinese descent. Even the Taiwanese people aren't foolish to deny reality, denying something like that would make themselves look like douchbags, however given the chance they would rather not be related with Chinese. When ever there is an fight between Chinese and Japanese, Taiwanese never supports Chinese. In fact, I've already seen comments on youtube where some Taiwanese wishing that the Japanese had killed all the Chinese.

Speaking mandarin was NOT THEIR CHOICE. Taiwan official language under Japanese rule was Hokkien, including when it was under the Dutch and Spanish, they spoke Hokkien while some spoke Hakka. It wasn't until the Kuomintang of Chiang Kai-shek who invaded Taiwan, and imposed the mandarin language on them. There was an incident called the 228 Massacre, where around 10,000 to 30,000 were killed, and 170,000 people imprisoned. ROC ruled Taiwan with force and violence. This is why many Taiwanese still resent the mainlanders.

 

[Sideswipe]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

Oh if that's the case then it's silly since they are speaking mandarin and all of that. It's like a sinkie chinese calling himself a jap for eg that doesn't make him more jap and less chinese.

mandarin, hokkien are all chinese dialects.
it's weird that some taiwanese think speaking hokkien make them less chinese in ethnicity or nationality whatever.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

mandarin, hokkien are all chinese dialects.
it's weird that some taiwanese think speaking hokkien make them less chinese in ethnicity or nationality whatever.

Yeah chinese isn't homogenous it consists of many dialects and so on and it's both an ethnicity and a nationality which is pretty common. Like english is both a language and an ethnic group too. These dumb taiwanese are still chinese cos they speak hokkien which is from the fukien region in china and also more importantly they consider the entire china a part of their country too cos of their roc govt.

 

[chonburifc]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

Yeah chinese isn't homogenous it consists of many dialects and so on and it's both an ethnicity and a nationality which is pretty common. Like english is both a language and an ethnic group too. These dumb taiwanese are still chinese cos they speak hokkien which is from the fukien region in china and also more importantly they consider the entire china a part of their country too cos of their roc govt.

Jah, in ROC, they call Hokkien "Taiwan Wey"（台湾话）or 闽南话 , meaning 'Taiwan Speech' or Min Nan Hua.

 

[Ramseth]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

Jah, in ROC, they call Hokkien "Taiwan Wey"（台湾话）or 闽南话 , meaning 'Taiwan Speech' or Min Nan Hua.

Taiwan was de facto considered demographically a Minnan offshore island in ancient China until it became populous enough to become a province itself. Most of Taiwan Chinese (and even Taiwan non-Chinese aborigines) have been speaking Minnanese for centuries and generations before the Portuguese, Dutch and Japanese came to colonize and the interim change of sovereignty between Ming dynasty, Qing dynasty and ROC. In fact, most of the ROC exodus to Taiwan after their defeat on mainland couldn't speak Taiwan Minnanese at first. They were circumstantially forced to learn and adopt it since it's lingua franca of the majority there.

 

[Conqueror]

河洛人 = 唐郎 = 晋国人

mandarin, hokkien are all chinese dialects.
it's weird that some taiwanese think speaking hokkien make them less chinese in ethnicity or nationality whatever.

河洛人是五胡亂華時南下的漢人，由於福建山多，與中原交通不便，閩南話得以保存很多古漢語元素，是現時中國現存最古老的漢語。

 

[Mercury]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

Yeah chinese isn't homogenous it consists of many dialects and so on and it's both an ethnicity and a nationality which is pretty common. Like english is both a language and an ethnic group too. These dumb taiwanese are still chinese cos they speak hokkien which is from the fukien region in china and also more importantly they consider the entire china a part of their country too cos of their roc govt.

No man, Taiwanese would never want China as part of their country. They rather be under Japanese rule again, and about 200,000 Taiwanese served in the Japanese Imperial Army to fight against Chinese. Their Taiwanese grandparents were still proud to be part of Japanese citizens. I've seen thousands of Taiwanese comments related with China from youtube, forums, facebook. I have yet to find one Taiwanese that want's to be reunited with China or at least have something nice to say about Chinese. Just look at youtube for example, there's always an Taiwanese insulting Chinese, but they never say those things to Japanese.

Trust me, I'm Hokkien myself but I doubt the Taiwanese people would even make Hokkien people as an accept-ion from Chinese.
Taiwan consists of 70% Hokkien, 15% Hakka, 13% mainlander refugees from ROC in 1949, and 2% Taiwanese aborigines. Taiwan is anti-China.

CHTHONIC - TAKAO (Takasago Army)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_UkowmQs30

"Taiwanese black metal band Chthonic has risen to international prominence due to their nationalistic, anti-Chinese music.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

Jah, in ROC, they call Hokkien "Taiwan Wey"（台湾话）or 闽南话 , meaning 'Taiwan Speech' or Min Nan Hua.

Yes i know that and it sounds so similar to hokkien cos it's hokkien.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

No man, Taiwanese would never want China as part of their country. They rather be under Japanese rule again, and about 200,000 Taiwanese served in the Japanese Imperial Army to fight against Chinese. Their Taiwanese grandparents were still proud to be part of Japanese citizens. I've seen thousands of Taiwanese comments related with China from youtube, forums, facebook. I have yet to find one Taiwanese that want's to be reunited with China or at least have something nice to say about Chinese. Just look at youtube for example, there's always an Taiwanese insulting Chinese, but they never say those things to Japanese.

Trust me, I'm Hokkien myself but I doubt the Taiwanese people would even make Hokkien people as an accept-ion from Chinese.
Taiwan consists of 70% Hokkien, 15% Hakka, 13% mainlander refugees from ROC in 1949, and 2% Taiwanese aborigines. Taiwan is anti-China.

CHTHONIC - TAKAO (Takasago Army)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_UkowmQs30

"Taiwanese black metal band Chthonic has risen to international prominence due to their nationalistic, anti-Chinese music.

Oh pls the ROC govt considers mainland china a part of taiwan. Btw i find it funny. A taiwanese band becomes famous not cos of their music but simply cos they are anti china?

 

[Ramseth]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

No man, Taiwanese would never want China as part of their country.

Japan had committed no atrocity in Taiwan when it was their colony. It was a benevolent and beneficial colonial administration like what Britain did in HK or Singapore. On the other hand, China through the dynasties to ROC, had used Taiwan as bargaining chip, strategic chess piece, reparation price, refugee camp etc. Modern anti-Japanism and China-reunificationism in Taiwan are all ROC-imported, perhaps can be said to be even psychologically coerced and imposed.

That said, on historical and legal grounds, China does have a claim on Taiwan, acknowledged by all parties concerned, PRC, ROC, USA, Japan etc.

 

[Mercury]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

Oh pls the ROC govt considers mainland china a part of taiwan. Btw i find it funny. A taiwanese band becomes famous not cos of their music but simply cos they are anti china?

But the people would never consider themselves part of China. And ROC government would only be part of mainland China under the condition that China becomes an democratic country. ROC govt would only be part of China, if ROC rules China.

 

[Mercury]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

I wouldn't think so.

" In December a series of anti-Japanese uprisings occurred in northern Taiwan, and would continue to occur at a rate of roughly one per month. 14,000 Taiwanese, or 0.5% of the population had been killed by Japanese ". " About 763 Taiwanese women were forced to be comfort women by Japanese army".

The Taiwanese were brainwashed by the Japanese education to think that Chinese people were an enemy and inferior to the Taiwanese. It shocked me to see that there are still some Taiwanese were waving the imperial Japanese flag.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

But the people would never consider themselves part of China. And ROC government would only be part of mainland China under the condition that China becomes an democratic country. ROC govt would only be part of China, if ROC rules China.

yeah but the fact of the matter is they are still chinese.

 

[Mercury]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

yeah but the fact of the matter is they are still chinese.

Like I said before, they consider themselves different. They even made the statement that Taiwanese are as different to Chinese as Australians are different to British.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

Like I said before, they consider themselves different. They even made the statement that Taiwanese are as different to Chinese as Australians are different to British.

There's hardly any diff bet an aussie and a brit.