What has Chee Soon Juan acheieved

[marbles]

chee may not have done anything big.but compared to the useless opposition,he has done a lot more.

i don't see LTK or CST say anything about the recent policies.jus kept quiet and pretend as if nothing has happened.

chee has been the most vocal of them all,exposing all the dirty little tricks pap has played on them.no need to say,pap makes dirty politics look real clean.

as for this Alu862 ,you seem to bad mouth the opposition,in this respect,chee, ALOT but i have yet to see you criticize the PAPPIES with as much fervor as you do chee.

i suppose being a pap apologist,you are trying to cast doubt on chee in order to help pappies gain some form of credibility?

the pap are jus a bunch of no good,self serving politicians who keep harping on PAST results so as to keep on having "mandate" in the near future,total bullshit and out-of-date.

they are as good as nothing.even bullshit has more worth than any of them put together.

 

[Alu862]

Iam not a pap apologist. If you read my other posts. I am as critical on the pap's policies as others. I am questioning the actions of all opposition members. Chee only thinks protests. He has not thought of the aftermath of revolutions or demonstrations. Countries that has toppled ogvernments have also turn out worse that before


you did hard sdp supporters think that all your failures are due to the pap. If that is so. Why did your great lin how doong win a election once and get booted out the next? Why is his only contribution to parliamnet--"don"t talk cock?"

look at yourself first!

chee may not have done anything big.but compared to the useless opposition,he has done a lot more.

I don't see ltk or cst say anything about the recent policies.jus kept quiet and pretend as if nothing has happened.

Chee has been the most vocal of them all,exposing all the dirty little tricks pap has played on them.no need to say,pap makes dirty politics look real clean.

As for this alu862 ,you seem to bad mouth the opposition,in this respect,chee, alot but i have yet to see you criticize the pappies with as much fervor as you do chee.

I suppose being a pap apologist,you are trying to cast doubt on chee in order to help pappies gain some form of credibility?

The pap are jus a bunch of no good,self serving politicians who keep harping on past results so as to keep on having "mandate" in the near future,total bullshit and out-of-date.

They are as good as nothing.even bullshit has more worth than any of them put together.

 

[chinkangkor]

you did hard sdp supporters think that all your failures are due to the pap. If that is so. Why did your great lin how doong win a election once and get booted out the next? Why is his only contribution to parliamnet--"don"t talk cock?"

It is shocking that you refuse to see that the media is awfully biased against the opposition and has been used as a political tool to spout PAP propaganda ad nauseam, spread lies and half truths in order to discredit and character assasinate PAP political opponents. All these PAP euphemistically called nation building and probably has had your pea brain entirely washed.

It is astonishing that you couldn't see that the Judiciary has been politicised and has its independence compromised in trials involving opposition politicians. The judiciary process has been utterly abused for the purposes of silencing critics and banishing political opponents not to the ruling party's taste.

It is amazing that you have been harping on Ling How Doong's electoral defeat in Gombak non-stop so as to taint SDP with a broad brush. With only 9 days for election campaigning, electoral boundaries re-drawn at the last minute before general elections in the 1980s and 1990s, the carrots of HDB upgrading to entice voters, threats to frighten voters, the unfair and exaggerate reporting of Ling's mistakes in and outside parliament to portray him in the worst light possible etc, is it any wonder that Ling lost his seat? It would have been a political miracle if he hadn't.

Why not remove your PAP's propaganda filled blinkers and start calling a spade, a spade.

 

[Alu862]

Ling won his first election because he was lucky that his opponent was stupid enough to wash her hands after shaking a fishmongers. Thne he prances around in parliament, said to Chiam don't talk cock and lost the seat the next time round.

Learn to read your owan faults first. As it every fall is others fault. A bad work man blames his tools.

It is shocking that you refuse to see that the media is awfully biased against the opposition and has been used as a political tool to spout PAP propaganda ad nauseam, spread lies and half truths in order to discredit and character assasinate PAP political opponents. All these PAP euphemistically called nation building and probably has had your pea brain entirely washed.

It is astonishing that you couldn't see that the Judiciary has been politicised and has its independence compromised in trials involving opposition politicians. The judiciary process has been utterly abused for the purposes of silencing critics and banishing political opponents not to the ruling party's taste.

It is amazing that you have been harping on Ling How Doong's electoral defeat in Gombak non-stop so as to taint SDP with a broad brush. With only 9 days for election campaigning, electoral boundaries re-drawn at the last minute before general elections in the 1980s and 1990s, the carrots of HDB upgrading to entice voters, threats to frighten voters, the unfair and exaggerate reporting of Ling's mistakes in and outside parliament to portray him in the worst light possible etc, is it any wonder that Ling lost his seat? It would have been a political miracle if he hadn't.

Why not remove your PAP's propaganda filled blinkers and start calling a spade, a spade.

 

[chinkangkor]

Learn to read your owan faults first. As it every fall is others fault. A bad work man blames his tools.

If PAP is using good tools and force the opposition to use bad tools, of course the opposition has a right to demand that they be given the same good tools that the PAP is using.

This is why SDP is calling for reform to the system.

 

[caitaokue]

Re: What has Chee Soon Juan acheieved (what he should be doing now)

The more important question is not what he has achieved but what he should be doing now to achieve his ultimate objectives.

There is a difference between working hard and working smart. Fighting solo like a wild bull is courageous and inspiration to many Singaporeans, but he has not done enough to organize the opposite parties and strengthen them. Unity is strength. There must be strategy, an element of surprise.

For many of us here who are DL with the current situation, what are we doing besides coming to the forum and vent our anger then hope PAP don't track our IP. We are simply boh ji, or no chee.

CSJ is highly respected and no other people in Singapore is in the position like him to take the lead to organize the opposing force and strength it. He needs to create a community of supporter, close niche, and united.

We need at least a true political forum free of Ghosts unlike here and sgforums, where they divert your attention and trivialize your topic. They give you sex topics and nude pictures to distract your focus.

I really hope SDP can have a forum, user friendly and open to all. They should have social organization, charity based, and have frequent gather and meeting without being called an illegal gathering.

I hope this message gets to him.

 

[leetarsah]

chee's character is also flawed. he has never clarified how he makes a living as a bankrupt? where does he get his resources? is there any foreign backing financing him to hantam the gabramen? does his books sell very well? do peasants donate to his cause? how come he never reveal how was his biz in his TBT event in toa payoh? how much? how often? etc...etc...

bapok do you also want to know how long is Chee's cock

and whether you can swallow it all the way .... kekeke

would you also like to know whether Chee prefers to cum your mouth or your karchng .... LOL

 

[Alu862]

If PAP is using good tools and force the opposition to use bad tools, of course the opposition has a right to demand that they be given the same good tools that the PAP is using.

This is why SDP is calling for reform to the system.

With no plan for Singapore. I DO NOT WANT A WEAK GOVERNMENT THAT IS DEMOCRATIC BY NAME.

 

[chinkangkor]

With no plan for Singapore. I DO NOT WANT A WEAK GOVERNMENT THAT IS DEMOCRATIC BY NAME.

The first priority will be to reform the political system. When this is done, more talented people will be encouraged to step forward to serve S'pore, contribute ideas, thereby leading to more creative solutions to solve S'pore problems.

So get your priorities right first.

 

[Alu862]

The first priority will be to reform the political system. When this is done, more talented people will be encouraged to step forward to serve S'pore, contribute ideas, thereby leading to more creative solutions to solve S'pore problems.

So get your priorities right first.

Then give the SDP political party to a proper leader whose does not just nitpick at all the bad and has vision. Not to one who airs everything bad.

 

[chinkangkor]

Then give the SDP political party to a proper leader whose does not just nitpick at all the bad and has vision. Not to one who airs everything bad.

SDP is doing its job of criticising what it sees as bad in the existing system. Its vision is to empower the people and demand the civil and political rights that has been granted under S'pore Constitution be returned to the people.

It is for the well being of Singapore that flaws and abnormalities in the system be pointed out and corrected, so that the system can be further strengthen.

 

[Alu862]

SDP is doing its job of criticising what it sees as bad in the existing system. Its vision is to empower the people and demand the civil and political rights that has been granted under S'pore Constitution be returned to the people.

It is for the well being of Singapore that flaws and abnormalities in the system be pointed out and corrected, so that the system can be further strengthen.

It is also wrong to show all the bad with out considering whether there is any good. GP students know that.

 

[chinkangkor]

It is also wrong to show all the bad with out considering whether there is any good. GP students know that.

The good side naturally PAP will show in the 154th. PAP ministers have been quicked to take credit for their policies but do not inform the public when their policies have caused harm to S'poreans. This is partly due to the PAP's unwillingness to be accounted for policy failures and partly due to a genuine inability to see those flaws and shortcomings.

That is why S'pore needs opposition who can see flaws and shortcomings in the existing system. S'poreans can then judge for themselves whether the opposition has the intellectual capacities to run S'pore, if given a chance.

 

[Alu862]

The good side naturally PAP will show in the 154th. PAP ministers have been quicked to take credit for their policies but do not inform the public when their policies have caused harm to S'poreans. This is partly due to the PAP's unwillingness to be accounted for policy failures and partly due to a genuine inability to see those flaws and shortcomings.

That is why S'pore needs opposition who can see flaws and shortcomings in the existing system. S'poreans can then judge for themselves whether the opposition has the intellectual capacities to run S'pore, if given a chance.

People have seen the SDP as ranting and raving but not contributing.

 

[chinkangkor]

People have seen the SDP as ranting and raving but not contributing.

That's quite true. There are people who disagree with SDP's methods. However, in a democracy, we always agree to disagree.

 

[Alu862]

That's quite true. There are people who disagree with SDP's methods. However, in a democracy, we always agree to disagree.

SDP--great promoter of pluralistic views but always grey out comments which they don't agree with on their market place website and allow hordes of so called supporters to give those comments thumbs down. The website is a shame. Even the old kind was a tinge better.

 

[chinkangkor]

SDP--great promoter of pluralistic views but always grey out comments which they don't agree with on their market place website and allow hordes of so called supporters to give those comments thumbs down. The website is a shame. Even the old kind was a tinge better.

SDP website is a political website, which means it will certainly be partisan. All political websites aim to promote their own parties and causes. Readers should read news from different sources so as to make an informed judgement.

But the national broadsheet should take extra care to be balanced as it has a social responsibilities to inform the public, regardless of whether the news is detrimental to the ruling party or not. It should never put the ruling party's interest above national interest.

 

[Alu862]

SDP website is a political website, which means it will certainly be partisan. All political websites aim to promote their own parties and causes. Readers should read news from different sources so as to make an informed judgement.

But the national broadsheet should take extra care to be balanced as it has a social responsibilities to inform the public, regardless of whether the news is detrimental to the ruling party or not. It should never put the ruling party's interest above national interest.

SDP website is a air the dirty linen website. It is also a market place for people to complain and the slightest non pro SDP view is blasted with grey fonts and a whole host of clones attack that comment, as if it should not be considered.

 

[chinkangkor]

SDP website is a air the dirty linen website. It is also a market place for people to complain and the slightest non pro SDP view is blasted with grey fonts and a whole host of clones attack that comment, as if it should not be considered.

Well, you can lambast SDP in PAP's website or WP's website. No one is stopping you and i'm sure you will be very welcome over there.

SDP's website provides an alternative source of news, many of which is of high educational value.

 

[Alu862]

To answer the topic question:

1) Chee has achieved the title of the only person to go on a hunger strike over a sacking

2) The one who lead the SDP to lose its seats in parliament and lose votes year after year

3) For not taking the opportunity when Ling HD beat the "shake then wash hands" PAP women and letting go of that constituency the next election

4)For personally attacking the Lee leadership

5) For having no major policies set out besides his small justification for a minimum wage. No views on health, trade, defence, foreign policies.

6) For spending all the time protesting and blame the PAP for his misfortunes as if he doesn't have shortfalls

7) For blindly thinking that democracy is a magical cure for everything.

8) For not considering that Interational perceptions (Cold War) prevented Lim CS from taking leadership