Today's Scripture Reading

[vamjok]

Beating around the bush? Who is beating? You just trying to avoid your nonsensical claim that "the best evidence of the theory of evolution (oh no, it should be theory of mutation) is found in the virus". This is the greatest joke for any so-called scientist (???) to say! Virus mutation will bring havoc to the order of nature. Not a single virus mutation is beneficial. Even 'O' level biochemistry and biology students know this. Can you show one that is useful? This is the greatest joke. Look at the number of chickens with bird flu virus were killed and you now the reason why. When it jumps to pigs, to humans it will mutate and turn deadly. The government took no chance and ordered all chickens and many of these are healthy chickens. Evidence of virus to support theory of evolution?

But what those permanent head damaged scientists doing? Many (and not all please) are trying to spend their efforts and to make new DNAs which is not difference from a virus mutate. The perfect order of nature is to preserve all the DNAs as they are and never altered it. Remember what the article from I attached. This article was taken from a non-religious website on science...categorily it says: how you consider 'living' or 'non'living' depends on your defintion of "life." There are now synethic DNAs created in the lab. Are they of any use now? Are they life - they are just lifeless; they are dead....I don't scientists to tell me that. They are likely to be created out of inorganic chemical compounds...so are they organic or inorganic?

These man-made DNAs are not 'life' like the way we know. If they are not 'life', they are just as 'dead' As commented by Dr. Baltimore (and you want the name of the scientist!) when he made a comment of synethic DNA by another scientist: He has not created life, only mimicked it.” And oh yes, not forgetting that the first synethic life forms was developed out of inorganic chemicals present in the gases that can be found at the earth’s atmosphere! So organic or inorganic? Just go and google for subjects and if you google for the subject: Synthetic Life? Lifeless Bacteria with Man-Made DNA and they tell you more about these 'lifeless synethic DNA that created out of inorganic chemicals. It's time you go and do you homework.....keep working on your theory of evoluation (sorry, should be mutation) and keep telling people: See, these apples were once upon a time oranges! I hope you are not working in a Singapore government-funded institution because I don't want my tax be spent on this nonsensical research. I would rather let my tax go to feed the poor, and not to create synthetic lifeless DNA out of the thin air! And worse, to tell people: See these apples were once a upon a time oranges. Sadly, many children when they first entered into school are told of this nonsense, and is time we stop telling lies to them! Apples were apples and are still apples; oranges were oranges and are still oranges! They will never change...of course not until some permanent head damaged scientists altered there DNAs and make them, well perhaps, "half-apple and half-orange".

"These man-made DNAs are not 'life' like the way we know. If they are not 'life', they are just as 'dead' As commented by Dr. Baltimore (and you want the name of the scientist!) when he made a comment of synethic DNA by another scientist: He has not created life, only mimicked it.”

First, you said he said it, You must quote the source WHERE HE SAID IT, AND WHEN, WHICH PAPER. YOU NEVER LEARN THIS IN SCHOOL? HOW TO QUOTE PROPERLY?

Beside, what kind of fuck up logic is this, still trying to fucking snake your way out, of cos NO ONE CLAIM TO MAKE LIFE FROM SYNTHESISING DNA, ISN'T THIS WHAT I CLAIM ALL THE WHILE DNA THAT IS JUST BASIC CHEMICAL COMPOSITION.

I BEAT THE ROUND THE BUSH OR YOU, U ARE THE FUCKER THAT KEEP DIVERTING AWAY FROM THE LIST OF SILLY ANSWERS OF REPLY THAT YOU DARED TO ASKED ME WHEN I THROW BACK THE CHALLENGE. REMEMBER THIS SHIT IS STIRRED BY YOU, ALL THESE STATEMENT ARE MADE BY U

YOU ARE THE MOTHER FUCKER THAT INSIST IT THAT CAN BE CLASSIFIED AS DEAD AND ALIVE WHEN IT IS CLEARLY NON LIVING IN THE FIRST PLACE NO MATTER WHAT. DUN TWIST THE WORDS OF THAT SCIENTIST TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM OF DNA BEING DEAD AND ALIVE, HE IS SAYING WE DID NOT CREATE LIFE BY MAKING DNA. THIS SHOWS ONE THING, YOU CLEARLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCK IS DNA AND AT WHAT LEVEL WE CLASSIFIED THINGS AS DEAD AND LIVING. EVEN SUCH BASIC CONCEPT YOU DON'T KNOW AND DARE TO BULLSHIT WITH ME ABOUT SCIENCE, YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED THAT FOR SURE.

Still insist of teaching me chemistry? DARE TO EVEN CHALLENGE ME AN EVEN MORE BASIC AND SIMPLER CONCEPT OF WHAT IS ORGANIC AND INORGANIC?

"And oh yes, not forgetting that the first synethic life forms was developed out of inorganic chemicals present in the gases that can be found at the earth’s atmosphere! "

"Made DNA and they tell you more about these 'lifeless synethic DNA that created out of inorganic chemicals. It's time you go and do you homework....."

MORE WRONG AND FALSE STATEMENT CREATE OUT OF AIR BY YOU INSISTING THIS IS FACT. THIS IS FALSE AND OF COURSE WRONG. AND VERY MUCH SHOWS THAT YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS THE TERM "ORGANIC" AND "INORGANIC". HELLO SO THIS IS YOUR REPLY? AHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH

 

[vamjok]

DNA is just made up of Adenine, Thymine, Guanine, Cytosine. NOTHING MORE. these are ORGANIC MOLECULES. THIS IS WHY WE CLASSIFIED IT PURELY AS ORGANIC. WE ONLY TERMS THINGS AS INORGANIC MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE SEE TRANSITION ELEMENTS IN IT OR STUDY OF REST OF P BLOCK ELEMENTS. LIN IS BLURED WHEN WE USE ORGANIC LIGANDS AND THE 2 FIELD OF STUDY WILL OVERLAP, BUT THAT ITSELF IS ANOTHER TOPIC WHICH I THINK YOU HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT IS IT ABOUT ANYWAY.

FIRST AND FORMOST, ATCG THE BASED PAIR THEY DON'T DERRIVED DIRECTLY FROM GAS. JUST FUCKING LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE, THIS VERY MUCH SHOWS THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FUCK YOU READ.

YOU HAVE ZERO FUCKING IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON. I KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE READ, THIS EXPERIMENT WAS CONDUCTED IN LAB SCALE. WHAT WAS MADE FROM GAS WAS PRECURSOR WHICH MADE IT POSSIBLE TO LEAD TO FORMATION OF THESE BASE PAIR ATCG, BUT NOT THOSE 4 BASES DIRECTLY STUPID IDIOT. AND ITS FROM THESE FORE-PRECURSOR THE FORMATION OF THESE BASES BECOME POSSIBLE UNDER NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. AND YES NO PRIZE FROM GUESSING, MANY OF THESE FOR-PRECUSOR AT MOLECULAR LEVEL ARE ORGANIC. BESIDE, THE GAS INVOLVED WHICH LEAD TO THESE FORMATION ARE MAINLY CO2, CO, THESE ARE CLASS UNDER ORGANIC MOTHER FUCKER.

I STILL WAITING FOR AN ANSWER TO THIS SIMPLE QUESTION.

WHO CLASSIFIED IT DNA AS INORGANIC, WHO CLASSIFIED IT AS DEAD AND ALIVE. YOU SO FAR ONLY TWISTED A SCIENTIST WORD WHO SIMPLY MEANT WE DID NOT CREATE LIFE FROM MAKING DNA. WHICH IS TRUE, BUT HE NEVER MEANT DNA WAS ALIVE. IS THAT THE BEST YOU COULD DO?

AS SAID, GIVE THE NAME, GROUP, AND SCIENTISTS. WHICH PAPER DID THEY PUBLISH OR BOOK. I STILL SEE NOTHING AFTER SO MANY USELESS REPLY

oh yes, by the way...

Theory of mutation = Theory of evolution. Mutation is the mechanism of evolution. YOU LAUGH AT THIS? CORRECTING ME? this further confirm one thing, you have zero idea what the fuck is the theory you are attacking.They are the same. If you think i made a mistake, no i did not. too stupid to figure out why, well...

some people like you are born stupid and thus do not get it.

 

[vamjok]

Re: I Talked About This Some Years Back

Billions of virus and not all are bad...ok...how many good? 1, 10, 100, 1000 can you just name one....granted there are some good, ok, than let me revised what I say:

99.999999999% of viruses are bad and only 0.0000000001% is good. Happy?

If you have dreamt up of one good virus just let the readers know....given the above %, the chance for you to find 1 good one is zero.

i said before, make it to university, graduate already, then come and talk cock in this kind of topic. we are currently already using virus in disease treatment. HEARD OF SOMETHING CALL VACCINE???? HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH

UNEDUCATED CHEE BYE KIA TALKING BIG AGAIN ISSUING USELESS CHALLENGE

IN FACT IN LAB SCALE WE ARE USING VIRUS TO ATTACK CANCER CELL. DETAILS OF IT UNEDUCATED CHEE BYE KIA LIKE YOU WUN GET IT ANYWAY. THERE ARE SO MANY FUCKING GROUPS WORKING ON IT AND SHOWING VERY PROMISING RESULT.

SI MI LAN JIAO ALL VIRUS ARE BAD THEY JUST MAKE YOU SICK AND THE BEST IS HARMLESS. I FUCK U UNDERSTAND. I SAID ALREADY IF YOU KNOW SHIT ABOUT SUCH THING STAY AWAY, DUN CREATE FALSE COCK ON IT. U HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA HOW MODERN MEDCINE USE VIRUS SAVE HOW MANY LIFE

JUST LOOK UNDER THE TERM VACCINE STUPID IDIOT

 

[fishbuff]

Re: I Talked About This Some Years Back

The evidence is in the virus. Our bodies have billions of harmless virus that God created. If we refuse to obey His laws and start to do things against His laws like eat what we must not eat (as told in the Bible), having sex with animals that we must not have, than these virus will turn 'life' and consume you. This is one of the best evidence that God exists.

lol!! stupidest remark of all.

you can condemn all the phds for the sake of your religion, but you depend on them to find scientific breakthough for your current and future needs.

next time when you get diseases like cancer, DONT take any new drugs nor seek consultation, that is a slap on your religion and demostrate that you have no faith in your god but in SCIENCE.

 

[fishbuff]

Re: I Talked About This Some Years Back

A) The Quran on Human Embryonic Development:
In the Holy Quran, God speaks about the stages of man’s embryonic development:


We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)... 1 (Quran, 23:12-14)

Literally, the Arabic word alaqah has three meanings: (1) leech, (2) suspended thing, and (3) blood clot.

In comparing a leech to an embryo in the alaqah stage, we find similarity between the two2 Also, the embryo at this stage obtains nourishment from the blood of the mother, similar to the leech, which feeds on the blood of others.3




The second meaning of the word alaqah is “suspended thing.” This is the suspension of the embryo, during the alaqah stage, in the womb of the mother.






The third meaning of the word alaqah is “blood clot.” We find that the external appearance of the embryo and its sacs during the alaqah stage is similar to that of a blood clot. This is due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo during this stage4 Also during this stage, the blood in the embryo does not circulate until the end of the third week.5 Thus, the embryo at this stage is like a clot of blood.

So the three meanings of the word alaqah correspond accurately to the descriptions of the embryo at the alaqah stage.

The next stage mentioned in the verse is the mudghah stage. The Arabic word mudghah means “chewed substance.” If one were to take a piece of gum and chew it in his or her mouth and then compare it with an embryo at the mudghah stage, we would conclude that the embryo at the mudghah stage acquires the appearance of a chewed substance. This is because of the somites at the back of the embryo that “somewhat resemble teethmarks in a chewed substance.”


When comparing the appearance of an embryo at the mudghah stage with a piece of gum that has been chewed, we find similarity between the two.
A) Drawing of an embryo at the mudghah stage. We can see here the somites at the back of the embryo that look like teeth marks. (The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 79.)
B) Photograph of a piece of gum that has been chewed.
(Click on the image to enlarge it.)



How could Muhammad have possibly known all this 1400 years ago, when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time? Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells (spermatozoa) using an improved microscope in 1677 (more than 1000 years after Muhammad ). They mistakenly thought that the sperm cell contained a miniature preformed human being that grew when it was deposited in the female genital tract.7

Professor Emeritus Keith L. Moore8 is one of the world’s most prominent scientists in the fields of anatomy and embryology and is the author of the book entitled The Developing Human, which has been translated into eight languages. This book is a scientific reference work and was chosen by a special committee in the United States as the best book authored by one person. Dr. Keith Moore is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Cell Biology at the University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada. There, he was Associate Dean of Basic Sciences at the Faculty of Medicine and for 8 years was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy. In 1984, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. He has directed many international associations, such as the Canadian and American Association of Anatomists and the Council of the Union of Biological Sciences.

In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Moore said: “It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God.”9
Consequently, Professor Moore was asked the following question: “Does this mean that you believe that the Quran is the word of God?” He replied: “I find no difficulty in accepting this.”10

During one conference, Professor Moore stated: “....Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Quran and Sunnah (what Muhammad said, did, or approved of). The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge. The intensive studies of the Quran and hadeeth (reliably transmitted reports by the Prophet Muhammad’s companions of what he said, did, or approved of) in the last four years have revealed a system for classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D. Although Aristotle, the founder of the science of embryology, realized that chick embryos developed in stages from his studies of hen’s eggs in the fourth century B.C., he did not give any details about these stages. As far as it is known from the history of embryology, little was known about the staging and classification of human embryos until the twentieth century. For this reason, the descriptions of the human embryo in the Quran cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century. The only reasonable conclusion is: these descriptions were revealed to Muhammad from God. He could not have known such details because he was an illiterate man with absolutely no scientific training.”

sound logical.

hey, since you are into quran, care to explain why Umm Qifar wa ordered to be killed by using camels to split her body and then get chopped up by mohammed?

http://news.faithfreedom.org/galler...m+Qirfa_001/Title.jpg.html?g2_navId=x7d73f5d7

 

[Psalm23]

Re: I Talked About This Some Years Back

lol!! stupidest remark of all.

you can condemn all the phds for the sake of your religion, but you depend on them to find scientific breakthough for your current and future needs.

next time when you get diseases like cancer, DONT take any new drugs nor seek consultation, that is a slap on your religion and demostrate that you have no faith in your god but in SCIENCE.

You keep introducing nonsensical topics and fail to just rebuke the answers given to your questions. Just go search for topics, and you will find many opinions from many scientists that virus is the best proof of God's existence. If only DNA and virus were discovered and understood the way science understood today in Darwin's time, his book on the Origin of Specie would never be published. His book later because the foundation for the theory of evolution did not - because it could not - factor the knowledge of DNA and virus.

Interestingly, word like 'transmutation' was used in his writing and we know that the word 'mutation' can only make sense to science after the discovery of microscopic germs and virus. Nobody during Darwin's time really understand what mutation is all about. How can you understand fully this subject when you don't know that there is such thing as DNA? This is a highly specialized subject for highly trained geneticists.

So, don't fool yourself and don't let Darwin fooled you! Try google for topics like "evolution theory in crisis" and you will see many articles written on this, and many of them are by non-relgious writters (who, by the grace of God have turned them around and believe that the theory of evolution is a nonsensical theory). And by the grace of God, many have become Christians, true Christians. Some are so committed that they have scaled down their job as science and medical researchers and would prefer to write about the existence of God - that God indeed exists.

Don't be fool by Darwin. For over 150 years, many are fooled by his theory, and he has lauged his way to the grave. So, wake up, Fishbuff!

One more point - If only Bible has told me that when I am sick I don't need to see doctor, than I will obey. But there is nothing in the teaching both in the OT and in the NT teach this. In fact, one of the Gospel writers, Luke was a Greek physician. This is a testimony to the fact that the occupation of a physician is something we must value. So, I will go to doctors; I will pray; and at times I will also get my church members to pray - when I am sick, when I am well...because the Bible says: Pray always!

 

[fishbuff]

Re: I Talked About This Some Years Back

You keep introducing nonsensical topics and fail to just rebuke the answers given to your questions. Just go search for topics, and you will find many opinions from many scientists that virus is the best proof of God's existence. If only DNA and virus were discovered and understood the way science understood today in Darwin's time, his book on the Origin of Specie would never be published. His book later because the foundation for the theory of evolution did not - because it could not - factor the knowledge of DNA and virus.

Interesting, word like 'transmutation' was used in his writing and we know that the word 'mutation' can only make sense to science after the discovery of microscopic germs and virus. Nobody during Darwin's time really understand what mutation is all about. How can you understand fully this subject when you don't know that there is such thing as DNA? This is a highly specialized subject for highly trained geneticists.

So, don't fool yourself and don't let Darwin fooled you! Try google for topics like "evolution theory in crisis" and you will see many articles written on this, and many of them are by non-relgious writters (who, by the grace of God have turned them around and believe that the theory of evolution is a nonsensical theory). And by the grace of God, many have become Christians, true Christians. Some are so committed that they have scaled down their job as science and medical researchers and would prefer to write about the existence of God - that God indeed exists.

Don't be fool by Darwin. For over 150 years, many are fooled by his theory, and he has lauged his way to the grave. So, wake up, Fishbuff!

One more point - If only Bible has told me that when I am sick I don't need to see doctor, than I will obey. But there is nothing in the teaching both in the OT and in the NT teach this. In fact, one of the Gospel writers, Luke was a Greek physician. This is a testimony to the fact that the occupation of a physician is something we must value. So, I will go to doctors; I will pray; and at times I will also get my church members to pray.

oh now god's existence is pegging onto tiny little creatures and obscure illogical hearsays to show that he exists? is he not the all powerful that smite the whole world? now he need some unknown authors to compile books which need committee to discuss and to accept in and throw out as apocryphal books, written in all sort of langauges with conflicting notes? yea, right.

go to the doctors? you? then you have no faith in god. why seek medical help? luke is a doctor? back then 2000 years ago where blood letting are a common practise and laying of geesse dungs on the head is a cure for headache, Luke himself is NOT a doctor, but a shaman.

so, DONT go to the doctor.. stay at home, ask the church members to pray for you, any consultation of the modern science doctors is to agree with science and you will discredit your god. ye of little faith, thought you have a little faith of a mustard seed, you can move mountain. let see how you can move the mountain of cancer and modern day disease.

 

[fishbuff]

Re: I Talked About This Some Years Back

Don't be fool by Darwin. For over 150 years, many are fooled by his theory, and he has lauged his way to the grave. So, wake up, Fishbuff!

One more point - If only Bible has told me that when I am sick I don't need to see doctor, than I will obey. But there is nothing in the teaching both in the OT and in the NT teach this. In fact, one of the Gospel writers, Luke was a Greek physician. This is a testimony to the fact that the occupation of a physician is something we must value. So, I will go to doctors; I will pray; and at times I will also get my church members to pray.

if you are so confident in your christian god, then go to the mosque and temple and proclaim he is the real god. why hide in your flat and type this out?
is it because you dont have enough faith in god to enable you to witness to the muslims? sigh, ye of little faith? hypocrite at the most.

 

[gymkhana]

Re: I Talked About This Some Years Back

sound logical.

hey, since you are into quran, care to explain why Umm Qifar wa ordered to be killed by using camels to split her body and then get chopped up by mohammed?

http://news.faithfreedom.org/galler...m+Qirfa_001/Title.jpg.html?g2_navId=x7d73f5d7

Dude if you want to bash The Quran , at least provide the quote from it. Instead if providing links to anti Islamic propaganda websites. Lol. Where is it in the Quran did you find that story ? Answer that simple question and if you can't and for sure you cannot , then you must be a cowardly liar. U quote Bible verses and whack unabashedly. I feel for the Christians even tho I'm not one.
You certainly are showing your true internet hero colors here.

 

[fishbuff]

Re: I Talked About This Some Years Back

Dude if you want to bash The Quran , at least provide the quote from it. Instead if providing links to anti Islamic propaganda websites. Lol. Where is it in the Quran did you find that story ? Answer that simple question and if you can't and for sure you cannot , then you must be a cowardly liar. U quote Bible verses and whack unabashedly. I feel for the Christians even tho I'm not one.
You certainly are showing your true internet hero colors here.

sorry, i dont know quran so i cant comment on it. that is one of the story i read on http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/JasonPappas40401.htm

just curious, why do you feel for the christians?

can you please argue with them on which is the true religion and which one is false? is allah real or jesus christ real? please tell me.

 

[gymkhana]

Re: I Talked About This Some Years Back

sorry, i dont know quran so i cant comment on it. that is one of the story i read on http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/JasonPappas40401.htm

just curious, why do you feel for the christians?

can you please argue with them on which is the true religion and which one is false? is allah real or jesus christ real? please tell me.

Your sorry doesn't sound very sincere. It is certainly one from a cowardly liar who when confronted to come up with a legitimate resource, comes up time and again with anti Islamic websites. I said I feel for the Christians because you mock their beliefs and even tho I do not share in many of their beliefs I will not go to the extent of mocking anyone for believing whatever they choose.
As for arguing with anyone on who is right or wrong. I can only refer to the Quran :

"And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender. (The Noble Quran, 29:46)"

"Strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, 'We are Christians': because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. (The Noble Quran, 5:82)"

"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)! Come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.' If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).' (The Noble Quran, 3:64)"

"And there are, certainly, among the People of the Book [Jews and Christians], those who believe in God, in the revelation to you, and in the revelation to them, bowing in humility to God: They will not sell the Signs of God for a miserable gain! For them is a reward with their Lord, and God is swift in account. (The Noble Quran, 3:199)"

"Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. (The Noble Quran, 3:113-3:114)

"And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender. (The Noble Quran, 29:46)"

"Strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, 'We are Christians': because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. (The Noble Quran, 5:82)"

"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)! Come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.' If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).' (The Noble Quran, 3:64)"

Allah Almighty will admit to Paradise those whom He loves because of their righteous work and belief:

"O mankind! [This includes all races and all nations] We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other. Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted. (The Noble Quran, 49:13)"

...In The Quran we see this verse:

"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)"

This verse also proves that you cannot go beyond the limits like kill women and children or destroy buildings and crops and animals. This verse was only used for self-defense or on the battlefields.

I hope you have learned something.

Jim

 

[fishbuff]

Re: I Talked About This Some Years Back

Your sorry doesn't sound very sincere. It is certainly one from a cowardly liar who when confronted to come up with a legitimate resource, comes up time and again with anti Islamic websites. I said I feel for the Christians because you mock their beliefs and even tho I do not share in many of their beliefs I will not go to the extent of mocking anyone for believing whatever they choose.
As for arguing with anyone on who is right or wrong. I can only refer to the Quran :

"And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender. (The Noble Quran, 29:46)"

"Strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, 'We are Christians': because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. (The Noble Quran, 5:82)"

"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)! Come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.' If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).' (The Noble Quran, 3:64)"

"And there are, certainly, among the People of the Book [Jews and Christians], those who believe in God, in the revelation to you, and in the revelation to them, bowing in humility to God: They will not sell the Signs of God for a miserable gain! For them is a reward with their Lord, and God is swift in account. (The Noble Quran, 3:199)"

"Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. (The Noble Quran, 3:113-3:114)

"And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender. (The Noble Quran, 29:46)"

"Strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, 'We are Christians': because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. (The Noble Quran, 5:82)"

"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)! Come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.' If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).' (The Noble Quran, 3:64)"

Allah Almighty will admit to Paradise those whom He loves because of their righteous work and belief:

"O mankind! [This includes all races and all nations] We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other. Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted. (The Noble Quran, 49:13)"

...In The Quran we see this verse:

"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)"

This verse also proves that you cannot go beyond the limits like kill women and children or destroy buildings and crops and animals. This verse was only used for self-defense or on the battlefields.

I hope you have learned something.

Jim

ok, note taken.

 

[fishbuff]

gee, now we have muslims participating into this christian thread.

sorry, guys, im out of here. i dont want to end up like another Theo Van Gogh.

 

[gymkhana]

gee, now we have muslims participating into this christian thread.

sorry, guys, im out of here. i dont want to end up like another Theo Van Gogh.

Excuse me. Another offensive Remark but I wouldn't expect anything less from you. But to correct you check the first few posts and you will see that there were Muslims , Buddhists , and ppl of other faiths already posting on this thread long before you started to come here bashing religion.

 

[vamjok]

Sorry i am not mocking at their belief, i respect theirs. its basic human right to have their own religion belief.

I only came all out to attack this fucker when he twisted scientific facts and truth to support unfounded statement. I did this to attack this fucker creditability and his integrity exposing all his lies.

 

[God my healer]

hi Vam,

i have been following ( sort of ) your DNA exchanges with Psalm23 and i must admit that this topic is way above my head.

I just ask you a big favour and hope you will be happy to grant : Please just attack Psalm's ideas and points and not him personally.

I understand the exchanges can get to be fiery but hopefully we can discuss as fellow forummers and perhaps even as friends.

Thanks friend.

Sorry i am not mocking at their belief, i respect theirs. its basic human right to have their own religion belief.

I only came all out to attack this fucker when he twisted scientific facts and truth to support unfounded statement. I did this to attack this fucker creditability and his integrity exposing all his lies.

 

[vamjok]

hi Vam,

i have been following ( sort of ) your DNA exchanges with Psalm23 and i must admit that this topic is way above my head.

I just ask you a big favour and hope you will be happy to grant : Please just attack Psalm's ideas and points and not him personally.

I understand the exchanges can get to be fiery but hopefully we can discuss as fellow forummers and perhaps even as friends.

Thanks friend.

for idiots like him that only create lies and distorts facts? Thinking everyone is as uneducated like him?

no way

 

[Psalm23]

Sorry i am not mocking at their belief, i respect theirs. its basic human right to have their own religion belief.

I only came all out to attack this fucker when he twisted scientific facts and truth to support unfounded statement. I did this to attack this fucker creditability and his integrity exposing all his lies.

You not mocking at others' belief???? Scientist (????) Vamjok. This is a lie???? Just go and see what you have written....be honest!

And you respect others' belief???? Another lie???? You started mocking my belief from the very start...and I am twisting scientific facts and scientific truth...and you have all the 'real' scientific truth....And virus is the best evidence of evolution, and you are not twisting scientific truth....and oh yes, vaccines .... I have alot to say....coming soon...get ready, scientist (???) vamjok. And see who is actual the liar!

What I am doing is just exercise my right of reply and you get so emotionally charged up....you started to mock at my messages and plus others...and you say on 'this fxxkxxx'. You don't know basic grammar...singular and plural???? It should be 'these' (and not this) and should be "fxxkxxs). You have short-term memory loss?

I have no credential...educational speaking....only PSLE Primary 6 certificate...just kidding.....may be primary 7 or primary 8 education......so you guess...don't waste your time....when it comes to believing God, education is not important....we see some scientists making radiculous statements about God's existence or rather non-existence....and some don't even know what they talking about....Darwin used the word 'transmutation' in his paper on evolution and I think just nobody knew during his time what he was talking, and frankly neither Darwin himself. The word 'mutation' can only make sense after the discovery of DNA, virus and other micro-organism. At best, the word 'transmutation' was then just a general word and it absolutely conveyed no scientific meaning...it couldn't because you need to have the knowledge of science of the 20th century and of the 21st century to really understand what mutation is all about. Darwin was living in the 19th century era!

Just get ready....vaccine...I know this coming...and I am waiting patiently for this....of all the things you mention vaccine.....I have alot to say....coming soon....

Anyway, I respect the belief of the readers. You can comment and you can disagree...by all means but I have the right of reply...whether you accept my answers or not, that's not my problems, that's yours, and whether I accept your answers and your disagreements or not, that's not your problems, that's mine. But let's disagree gentlemenly and no foul words, please.

Regardless of your credential, educated or uneducated, if you have the Spirit of God in you, His word will give you the discernment to know what is true, what is false. Education - perhaps the best way to explain by reading the following quotes:

Education is a progressive discovery of our ignorance. (Will Durant, an author and historian - 1885 - 1981)
Education is the process of casting false pearls before real swine. (Prof. Irwin Edman, Philosopher and Educator - 1896 - 1954)
Education is a form of self-delusion. (Elbert Hubbard, Author, Editor, Printer - 1856 - 1915)
Education is a process that makes one rogue clever than another. (Oscar Wilde, Poet and Dramatist - 1856 - 1900)
Education is one of the chief obstacles to intelligence and freedom of thought. (Bertrand Russell, Philosopher, Mathematicians, Writer 1872 - 1970)

I think that's enough, hopefully for today... and the one that I like most...guess....the last one by Bertrand Russell....remember him...an real, die-hard atheist...

Frankly, the above are just for humor, please don't take it too hard....after all I have also primary 8 education may be slightly higher. Whether I am educated or not....that's not important because I don't want to end up to progresively to discover my ignorance...and certainly not to be ignroant about the word of God.

Have a great weekend...and if you are 'educated' (my definition - if you have primary 9 and above) and bothered with the above quotes...thousand apologies...you may say I don't sound insincere....ok...that's your opinion....but how I could change your opinion....I really do!

Sincerely yours,
Psalm23

 

[Conqueror]

Guinness World Record ?

for idiots like him that only create lies and distorts facts? Thinking everyone is as uneducated like him?

no way

Forget it lah. Win also no prize to take back home as a trophy.

If you are so interested with DNA and RNA and whatever biochem stuff, you can create your own thread to discuss these topics in great details than fighting with Psalm23.

Drifter has disappeared ? He was the main character here to argue with him on the daily basis without fail. I can't believe they would actually entertain each other. Psalm23 is too stubborn to stop and that's why I urge them to go for the Guinness World Record. Come to think of it quite hard - at least more than 2000 pages long ?

I was worried that Sam's hard disk would not be able to take it. LOL

 

[Conqueror]

Curry Fish Head ?

Oh, you are back. Actually, the pope's mitre was an ancient fish head ! OMG ! Scare the hell out of you, right ? It was a fish god called Dagon.

In Babylon there was "Oannes" a fish god who imparted great knowledge to the people. He taught them how to build cities. He also taught them math and geometric laws, and was credited with giving them all the knowledge that they would ever receive. At night, he would go back into the sea to spend the
night, because he was amphibious. He had the head of a man; covered by the head of a fish, and had the legs and feet of a man and the torso of a man, but was covered by the scales and tail of a fish.


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