The Dark Manipulation of Religion

[glockman]

ah... There are 3 possibilities.

1. God wrote the stuff
2. humans wrote the stuff
3. sa tay wrote the stuff (edited for your consumption dear pastor)

Since I am of the opinion that I have not been presented with enough proof of whether god and his *ahem* creations exist. Best I can say is I dunno. Therefore I subscribe to option 2.

But for those who subscribe to option 1, option 3 by necessity must also be a possibility no?

c'mon lah. don't get worked up. just give your mind an occasional workout...

Yes, both options 1 and 3 are two sides of the same coin. You can't have one without the other. I am a trained pastor, so don't question my knowledge and authority!

 

[nightsafari]

Thanks to having watched plenty of horror flicks!

hmmm... that means the Jews who were the originators were possessed?? Have you seen how they pray?



tell me what you think...

 

[glockman]

At one point, even the Aztecs were technologically more advanced than Europe when it came to building cleaner and more organized cities. It still doesn't make their religion and human sacrifice any better.

Apocalypto by Mel Gibson is a really good movie on the Aztecs and their human sacrifices. A must watch.

 

[JohnTan]

Yup. thought it should be included for completeness. Not for you, but others reading this. Your reply helps too.

The Middle East and mesopotamian region had been more advanced than Europe for over a thousand years, even before islam came. So, moslems and arabs using islam as an example of being scientifically more advanced than Europe seems to be stealing credit from other civilization's accomplishments.

Europe being more advanced than the rest of the world was a phenomenon that started from the 1460s till today. Before the 1460s, only the Roman Empire was more advanced than most of the known world before its decline.

Being more advanced or backward, Europe and Christian societies in general show more changes in their ethnic societies in terms of thought, social mobility and evolving of customs over time. Most asiatic and moslem societies take far greater pride in their ability to stand still, to be unchanging. It may be good for those trumpeting orthodoxy, but it is bad for those who are slaves, victims of imperialism or the bottom caste of their asiatic and moslem societies.

That's why you don't see a Reformation or Renaissance equivalent in asiatic or moslem societies. The Japs had a major transformation, the turks had a half past six kind of revolution with Ataturk.

 

[nightsafari]

The Middle East and mesopotamian region had been more advanced than Europe for over a thousand years, even before islam came. So, moslems and arabs using islam as an example of being scientifically more advanced than Europe seems to be stealing credit from other civilization's accomplishments.

Europe being more advanced than the rest of the world was a phenomenon that started from the 1460s till today. Before the 1460s, only the Roman Empire was more advanced than most of the known world before its decline.

Being more advanced or backward, Europe and Christian societies in general show more changes in their ethnic societies in terms of thought, social mobility and evolving of customs over time. Most asiatic and moslem societies take far greater pride in their ability to stand still, to be unchanging. It may be good for those trumpeting orthodoxy, but it is bad for those who are slaves, victims of imperialism or the bottom caste of their asiatic and moslem societies.

That's why you don't see a Reformation or Renaissance equivalent in asiatic or moslem societies. The Japs had a major transformation, the turks had a half past six kind of revolution with Ataturk.

great analysis.

 

[JohnTan]

Apocalypto by Mel Gibson is a really good movie on the Aztecs and their human sacrifices. A must watch.

It was a really good movie. Oppie Bock should rename himself as 'Almost'. That's been his middle name since his first electoral loss to the good Dr. Tony Tan.

 

[glockman]

hmmm... that means the Jews who were the originators were possessed?? Have you seen how they pray?



tell me what you think...

People pray in different and weird ways. Whatever floats their boat lah. But we know prayers are a bloody waste of time, they psychologically make the person praying feel better. Meditation is better, or speaking to a trusted friend or relative. Never your spouse though, she will use it against you when the marriage goes south. Or to your shrink, because it will cost you money.

 

[glockman]

It was a really good movie. Oppie Bock should rename himself as 'Almost'. That's been his middle name since his first electoral loss to the good Dr. Tony Tan.

Don't be so mean to Dr TCB lah. Yes, he "almost" succeeded and I hope he's still alive in 2025. He will surely succeed then.

 

[JohnTan]

But we know prayers are a bloody waste of time, they psychologically make the person praying feel better.

If prayers are a waste of time, then how do they make the person praying feel better? You are contradicting yourself?

 

[glockman]

If prayers are a waste of time, then how do they make the person praying feel better? You are contradicting yourself?

No contradiction. When we express ourselves (verbally or in "prayer") and share it with persons real (trusted friend, relative) or imagined (god, odin, loki, obi-wan etc), it takes some burden off us. Knowing that someone else is helping us carry it and know what we're going through. Hence, we don't feel as fucked up.

 

[pvtpublic]

I think so too!

but cannot mah, they say we will all become unproductive zombies

 

[pvtpublic]

) it takes some burden off us. Knowing that someone else is helping us carry it and know what we're going through. Hence, we don't feel as fucked up.

offer u an unsolicited summary: misery loves company

 

[glockman]

offer u an unsolicited summary: misery loves company

Yep, that says it well.

 

[syed putra]

Bro you are right. we are going in circles again. You keep trying to prove that your verses are real. I ask say the same things twice at least. Only on the 2nd time I say do you answer. The 1st time you are always telling me how scriptures are correct and stuff. Put that aside for a moment and ponder this question.

How can you be sure whether god or satan or human give the knowledge? Any of the above can also give knowledge what.

The only scripture we an be assured of that comes from God is the ten commsndments. Do you need anything more than that?

 

[syed putra]

The Middle East and mesopotamian region had been more advanced than Europe for over a thousand years, even before islam came. So, moslems and arabs using islam as an example of being scientifically more advanced than Europe seems to be stealing credit from other civilization's accomplishments.

Europe being more advanced than the rest of the world was a phenomenon that started from the 1460s till today. Before the 1460s, only the Roman Empire was more advanced than most of the known world before its decline.

Being more advanced or backward, Europe and Christian societies in general show more changes in their ethnic societies in terms of thought, social mobility and evolving of customs over time. Most asiatic and moslem societies take far greater pride in their ability to stand still, to be unchanging. It may be good for those trumpeting orthodoxy, but it is bad for those who are slaves, victims of imperialism or the bottom caste of their asiatic and moslem societies.

That's why you don't see a Reformation or Renaissance equivalent in asiatic or moslem societies. The Japs had a major transformation, the turks had a half past six kind of revolution with Ataturk.

By using europe, you can conclude the more religious it became, the less progress it made. Their religious zealousnes lasted 1500 years before they gave up and decided to give evidence based data and facts as the way forward. Muslims have 200 years to go before they realise the folly.

 

[whoami]

Bro you are right. we are going in circles again. You keep trying to prove that your verses are real. I ask say the same things twice at least. Only on the 2nd time I say do you answer. The 1st time you are always telling me how scriptures are correct and stuff. Put that aside for a moment and ponder this question.

How can you be sure whether god or satan or human give the knowledge? Any of the above can also give knowledge what.

Quran stated miracles 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 ...so many i can list out for u. But u tell me all of them not the words of God? Not one but so many examples. And u simply said they are the work or words of humans. So Then u should show me proof or link tat those verses were by some other "famous" people, no? So far u proven none at all. Then we can proceed next level of discussion.

Hypocrites, false prophets, shaytan ...all mentioned in the Quran. We were told shaytan our no 1 enemy, no? Prophet never declared himself as "god". No statue or images of him at all. His names only mentioned 5 times. Well, now u twist and said could be the words of shaytan. Hahaha......kelaka lah u. U rather believe in Shaytan than God. Cool....

 

[whoami]

bro... I said many times. I don't believe in pieces of paper or someone else's talk. 85% of information from those sources has proven to be wrong. There is no scientific paper that proves anything in the Koran. It doesn't meet a good standard of proof. If you believe that's up to you, but I need better evidence than snippets of knowledge. Your definition of proof is actually impressing you with general knowledge. That is not proof.

Things I see with my own eyes, ears and my own experience I believe. The only option is pure scientific proof. Other than my own experience and science, it's not proof. Just because I see one doesn't mean that all the rest is true. That's a lot of assumptions.

And you know what they say of assume. Make an ass of u and me.

Also, what happens if that knowledge is given to you by Satan and you are following Satan's rituals instead? What then? After die straight to hell?

Sure. Then tell me 1400yrs ago how u expect message of God to be spread? U talked abt science, evidence. Even till now teres so many things which already mentioned in the Quran but scientist yet to discover it. Better evidence than scripture? Examples?

Well u told us u saw a ghost? How u know its a ghost? Maybe fickle of ur imagination.

U believe in shaytan. Cos tats wat he want u to believe. But i believe in God. Cos mentioned in the Quran Allah cursed Shaytan and will be thrown into hell fire!

Just fyi....there are 114 chapters in the Quran. Every chapter begin with "In the name of Allah, Most compassionate Most merciful". And watever action we did, we Muslims uttered the following verse "We seek refuge in Allah from the accursed Satan" then followed by "In the name of Allah".

 

[whoami]

The faithful (not just bro @whoami) regardless of the religion, believe the verses are real. They are real because they were written by God, His Prophets, etc. And because of these verses, God is real. There's circular logic in there somewhere I swear!

And someone said the Quran is the word of Shaytan. Then where is God? My 10 yr old nephew laughing out loud.

 

[JohnTan]

By using europe, you can conclude the more religious it became, the less progress it made. Their religious zealousnes lasted 1500 years before they gave up and decided to give evidence based data and facts as the way forward.

Europe is an interesting continent/region. Eastern Europe and Asia Minor was advanced under the ancient Greeks. Southern Europe was also advanced in the ancient era under the Romans. The Greeks and Romans were known to be religious, superstitious and still enjoyed orgies and drunken parties.

Europe became backward from around the 5th century AD, which coincided with the fall of the Roman Empire. Europe became Christian during that same period. The Crusades only took place 500 years later, from the late 1000s onwards.

European Christians seem more religious in the 1600s than during the 1000s. There were many religious wars between the Reformist Christians and the Roman Catholics during that period even though the era of the Crusades were over. Christias were also burning suspected witches at the stake in the American colonies during that period.

Muslims have 200 years to go before they realise the folly.

I doubt they would. They have gone full retard on religion in nearly all moslem societies.

 

[JohnTan]

No contradiction. When we express ourselves (verbally or in "prayer") and share it with persons real (trusted friend, relative) or imagined (god, odin, loki, obi-wan etc), it takes some burden off us. Knowing that someone else is helping us carry it and know what we're going through. Hence, we don't feel as fucked up.

You explained it clearly why praying is not a waste of time.