Hey JT Your Bible Tells You to Kill Those Who Leave the Religion

[Loofydralb]

Wrong. If the quran was final, then moslems wouldn't need hadiths and sunnahs. These islamic scriptures came after the quran.




Actually, they aren't. Hadiths are needed because the qurans are short books, barely 10% of the Bible in volume, and still have chapters devoted to cursing mahomet's uncle for rejecting mahomet.

For our thread discussion, moslem scholars follow the hadiths and reject the quran in how to deal with apostates.

It is final because in the Quran it clearly states to follow the Sunnah of the prophet, which are his instructions, practice and examples.

You see Allah has not left any loose ends with the last messenger.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

My point is you refuse to follow your own bible. And it only allows you to kill those who leave your religion, not others who were never in it.

What about u following the Quran and hadiths...?

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Christians have been for ages be the biggest warmongers and have killed the most humans total on record using the most heinous killing equipment and apparatuses and still continue to build even more deadly ones.
Remember nukes? Remember world wars? Remember chemical and biological weapons?

Islamic law wrt wars is no mass killings.

Mudslimes expanded through military conquest...did it not?

 

[Loofydralb]

What about u following the Quran and hadiths...?

I try as best I can to follow. I'm not perfect.
Let me know which instructions of the Quran am I neglecting.

 

[Loofydralb]

Mudslimes expanded through military conquest...did it not?

No it did not. Any Muslim army came to Africa? Or South East Asia? Or china?
In most other regions, muslims fought back and won territory when those KAAFIRS started the fights.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

No it did not. Any Muslim army came to Africa? Or South East Asia? Or china?
In most other regions, muslims fought back and won territory when those KAAFIRS started the fights.

Uh didn't the mudslimes invade Egypt? And invade Europe? Invade the Eastern Roman empire?

 

[Hypocrite-The]

I try as best I can to follow. I'm not perfect.
Let me know which instructions of the Quran am I neglecting.

Did u not yak about slavery being bad in Islam but mudslimes were the champions in slave trading?

 

[Loofydralb]

Uh didn't the mudslimes invade Egypt? And invade Europe? Invade the Eastern Roman empire?

Actually the Caliphs sent emissaries and embassadors in peace to spread islam. Many were wrongly killed. And Muslims are not like hypocrite christians who say to turn the other cheek, but never do.

Did u not yak about slavery being bad in Islam but mudslimes were the champions in slave trading?

Yes. The prophet reminded us to free slaves at every opportunity when we transgress. The plan was eventually there would be no slaves.
In fact many slaves refused to be freed because they were treated very well by the Muslims and plenty accepted Islam too.
You don't hear of many stories of Muslims torturing slaves do you?

And the outright champion in slave owning and trading were the christian west. It was rampant and legal until about the late 1800s and till today the descendents of those slaves are still treated like pariahs.

 

[Sikodolaukazzz]

Why donch you God(s) loving people plray to Modi Dodi
You can even see him while you cannot see your God
I am sure God is belly happy to see you little microscopic bacteria in comparison to his universe/multiverses constantly screaming at each other.
Just would love to see you guys fighting in person
lol

Modi 'Sees Himself as a Hindu God King'​

https://www.google.com/search?q=2+m...ate=ive&vld=cid:53c45e01,vid:t3jUElE8g1I,st:0

 

[JohnTan]

It is final because in the Quran it clearly states to follow the Sunnah of the prophet, which are his instructions, practice and examples.

You see Allah has not left any loose ends with the last messenger.

The various qurans can't be final if they themselve tell you to follow another book. You clearly don't know what final means.

 

[Loofydralb]

The various qurans can't be final if they themselve tell you to follow another book. You clearly don't know what final means.

It tell you to follow the examples of the prophet.
For instance, the Quran says pray! But how? Quran says see how the prophet does it and follow that.

Is that difficult to understand?

 

[JohnTan]

It tell you to follow the examples of the prophet.

Which prophet? Ooops... islam has only one prophet. So every moslem knows who you're referring to when you say 'prophet'.

For instance, the Quran says pray! But how? Quran says see how the prophet does it and follow that.

But you're not living in the same village as your 'prophet'. How to follow unless you have exact instructions in your various qurans?

Is that difficult to understand?

It actually, when your mohammedan religion has 3 different scripture books to follow - qurans, hadiths, sunnah. And we haven't included fatwas.

No wonder you need islamic 'scholars' to give you permission to do everything including breathing and farting.

 

[Loofydralb]

Which prophet? Ooops... islam has only one prophet. So every moslem knows who you're referring to when you say 'prophet'.

Well you can follow Jesus in the way he prayed.
Or Moses. Or Abraham. Or many other prophets in the bible.
They prayed with their foreheads on the ground.
Why are you not doing praying like your prophets?

But you're not living in the same village as your 'prophet'. How to follow unless you have exact instructions in your various qurans?

That's why the Quran says to follow the examples of the prophet. The witness to these examples, wrote and memorised and transmitted it to the next generations.
That is called the Sunnah. In written form, compiled is called the Hadiths. The details in the hadiths are amazingly precise.
Something that you Christians have nothing to compare. You don't even have an instruction on how to pray!

It actually, when your mohammedan religion has 3 different scripture books to follow - qurans, hadiths, sunnah. And we haven't included fatwas.

Correction again. Quran is the ultimate guide. Nothing supercedes it. Nothing can contradict it.

Sunnah means what the prophet taught and did explaining how the verses and injunctions in the Quran is to be like.

Hadiths are the written records of the Sunnah of the prophet. So Hadith and Sunnah are practically one and the same.

Fatwa are jurisprudential opinions on new issues eg, organ donation and other modern day things like crypto etc. Fatwas are issued after researched by a council of learned men trawling through the Quran and Hadiths. As such it may have errors as it is human opinion after all.
Normally fatwas are as long as Phd thesis with quotations taken and explained thouroughly. Anyone can read those fatwas and can agree or disagree.

No wonder you need islamic 'scholars' to give you permission to do everything including breathing and farting.

Wrong again. The scholars can give their fatwas and it is up to the ummah to follow which is more sensible and convincing with the evidence.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Actually the Caliphs sent emissaries and embassadors in peace to spread islam. Many were wrongly killed. And Muslims are not like hypocrite christians who say to turn the other cheek, but never do.


Yes. The prophet reminded us to free slaves at every opportunity when we transgress. The plan was eventually there would be no slaves.
In fact many slaves refused to be freed because they were treated very well by the Muslims and plenty accepted Islam too.
You don't hear of many stories of Muslims torturing slaves do you?

And the outright champion in slave owning and trading were the christian west. It was rampant and legal until about the late 1800s and till today the descendents of those slaves are still treated like pariahs.

U seem very obsessed with this turn the other cheek thing..Is it bcos it will be easier to conquer Christianity?


And slaves...how come mudslimes countries where the last to abolish slavery?

 

[Loofydralb]

U seem very obsessed with this turn the other cheek thing..Is it bcos it will be easier to conquer Christianity?


And slaves...how come mudslimes countries where the last to abolish slavery?

Turning the other cheek. Christians love to quote that. It's the hypocrisy of saying it but not actually doing it is astounding.

Muslim jurisprudence has always put slavery as something one should not be engaged in. It's been like that since 1400 years ago. Effectively it's an embargo on taking on slaves. However there are individuals and groups willing to transgress the law.

The west meanwhile only abolished slavery 100+ years ago.

So no guesses who abolished slavery last.