most people vote for party, not candidate.
think KJ better don't contest. RP better send someone else, not it's all-too-important leader. 5% of votes result might leave KJ politically scarred for life.
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Reform Party starts visits to Punggol East
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most people vote for party, not candidate.
think KJ better don't contest. RP better send someone else, not it's all-too-important leader. 5% of votes result might leave KJ politically scarred for life.
I dun think any Oppo right now has extra quality candidates to immediately expand, fill in the gap. RP - 11, SDA - 6 (excluding Fatty Desmond, of course)
Unless the people from RP, SDA join the other Oppo.
Still early days lah. RP/KJ did not actually annouce they WILL contest or not.
And Pinky hasn't even finish his urgent national matters to decide whether to have BE or not.
That has always been the key. Not just NOW.
Democracy? Have you had too much to drink last night at the End Of the World Party?
You dun talk about democracy when the monopoly is still holding absolute power.
Agree. KJ is free to do what he likes. Unless his action directly/indirectly means we waste a chance to further the people's/Oppo's cause
Let's work on getting KJ/Glenda winning the BE first, thereby deny 1 more seat from the White Scums. Talking about who can offer more in Parliament is irrelevant now.
If so, that may be a good sign.
It seems all parties are treating this BE as an opportune time for immersing and exposing the populace to be more politically aware. And this alone can only be for the overall good. So what if the PAP gets to have a small margin win? The wider benefit can only augur well as 'appetizer' for the elections further down the road. It's better than letting political apathy develope further.
The less morons remain in the 60.1%, the better for society as a whole.
It seems all parties are treating this BE as an opportune time for immersing and exposing the populace to be more politically aware. And this alone can only be for the overall good. So what if the PAP gets to have a small margin win? The wider benefit can only augur well as 'appetizer' for the elections further down the road. It's better than letting political apathy develope further.
The less morons remain in the 60.1%, the better for society as a whole.
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That is inevitable as every party believes they should be entitled to a slice of the pie.
that is a sinkie mentality and it screwed you losers well.
By-election - Punggol East SMC.
by Osman Sulaiman on Thursday, December 20, 2012 at 8:59pm ·
Democratically speaking, it must be held. If our PM is a man who respects democracy, he will follow up with the honorable course of action and call for a by-election to allow voters of Punggol East to elect their representative. Going by PM’s statement, “to carefully consider whether to call a by-election in Punggol East and, if so, when,” he gives out this feeling that if it’s possible, he wants to do away with calling one and hide from the battle ground.
If our PM does that, it will not do justice to his name and he can be assured that his credibility will plunge southward further. A true leader will not shy away from fighting the right battle. He’s an ex brigadier-general in SAF, mind you and its ill befitting of a leader to hide behind the constitution and avoid the noble ‘war’. Anyway, let’s not fret on whether he will call for a by-election or not. I trust he still has an ounce of courage and moral authority to call for one.
Let’s now talk about the best possible candidate for the by-election when it is called.
Punggol SMC saw a 3 corner fight between PAP, SDA and WP in GE2011. Although SDA Chief, Desmond Lim has taken considerable effort to walk the ground there, I consider the Workers’ Party participation as a democratic entitlement and they have the every right to pursue. During that period, none of WP’s supporters took the position that they (WP) were actually a third-party in an otherwise straight battle affair. Their staunch beliefs were further vindicated when the result was announced showing the high number of votes WP had garnered and at the same time, causing Desmond Lim to lose his deposit. They were not the third party anymore. They were the ‘rightful’ contender or so they thought. Who cares about avoiding a 3 corner fight? Not them.
At the present moment, WP has quickly moved in to indicate that it was ready to contest the by-election and offer the voters of Punggol East "a choice". http://sg.news.yahoo.com/wp-calls-f...east-smc--as-soon-as-possible--074536882.html
Around the same time, NSP released a statement that in the interest of furthering the opposition cause, it would not contest in the Punggol East SMC if a by-election were called, as the Workers' Party has already expressed desire to do so. http://www.todayonline.com/Singapor...and-responsible-way-PAP-handled-Palmer-affair
Im puzzled as to why NSP had not considered itself to be in a better position to contest and gave early concession to WP. It should have taken into account that it has better choice of candidates to offer Punggol East voters unless NSP is considering using this concession as a bargaining tool in 2016 with WP in case a clash of battle area arises.
As we already know, WP’s talent pool is a little dry. Their supposedly ‘A’ team and its next best candidate are already in parliament either being an MP or NCMP. In the given situation, who is best to contest except the big names in the political arena? We have KJ from RP, CSJ from SDP, DL from SDA, Hazel Poa from NSP, BP and GMS as independent or even CST from SPP if you still consider him as a force to be reckoned with. From the talents mentioned above as compared to what WP might produce just for the sake of filling the void, the choice is clear. WP should take into consideration the interest of the voters and the nation as a whole, not just to further the interest of its own party.
In this perspective, I expect WP to be noble enough to take a step back and allow the opposition as a whole to field its best talent. Any rationale WP supporters should also tune in to the fact that this move will be in the best interest of the citizens. If this is to happen, a happy problem will then occur. Who best among the ‘giants’ should contest in a straight fight against the PAP? We save this political argument for another day.
Regards,
Osman Sulaiman
by Osman Sulaiman on Thursday, December 20, 2012 at 8:59pm ·
Democratically speaking, it must be held. If our PM is a man who respects democracy, he will follow up with the honorable course of action and call for a by-election to allow voters of Punggol East to elect their representative. Going by PM’s statement, “to carefully consider whether to call a by-election in Punggol East and, if so, when,” he gives out this feeling that if it’s possible, he wants to do away with calling one and hide from the battle ground.
If our PM does that, it will not do justice to his name and he can be assured that his credibility will plunge southward further. A true leader will not shy away from fighting the right battle. He’s an ex brigadier-general in SAF, mind you and its ill befitting of a leader to hide behind the constitution and avoid the noble ‘war’. Anyway, let’s not fret on whether he will call for a by-election or not. I trust he still has an ounce of courage and moral authority to call for one.
Let’s now talk about the best possible candidate for the by-election when it is called.
Punggol SMC saw a 3 corner fight between PAP, SDA and WP in GE2011. Although SDA Chief, Desmond Lim has taken considerable effort to walk the ground there, I consider the Workers’ Party participation as a democratic entitlement and they have the every right to pursue. During that period, none of WP’s supporters took the position that they (WP) were actually a third-party in an otherwise straight battle affair. Their staunch beliefs were further vindicated when the result was announced showing the high number of votes WP had garnered and at the same time, causing Desmond Lim to lose his deposit. They were not the third party anymore. They were the ‘rightful’ contender or so they thought. Who cares about avoiding a 3 corner fight? Not them.
At the present moment, WP has quickly moved in to indicate that it was ready to contest the by-election and offer the voters of Punggol East "a choice". http://sg.news.yahoo.com/wp-calls-f...east-smc--as-soon-as-possible--074536882.html
Around the same time, NSP released a statement that in the interest of furthering the opposition cause, it would not contest in the Punggol East SMC if a by-election were called, as the Workers' Party has already expressed desire to do so. http://www.todayonline.com/Singapor...and-responsible-way-PAP-handled-Palmer-affair
Im puzzled as to why NSP had not considered itself to be in a better position to contest and gave early concession to WP. It should have taken into account that it has better choice of candidates to offer Punggol East voters unless NSP is considering using this concession as a bargaining tool in 2016 with WP in case a clash of battle area arises.
As we already know, WP’s talent pool is a little dry. Their supposedly ‘A’ team and its next best candidate are already in parliament either being an MP or NCMP. In the given situation, who is best to contest except the big names in the political arena? We have KJ from RP, CSJ from SDP, DL from SDA, Hazel Poa from NSP, BP and GMS as independent or even CST from SPP if you still consider him as a force to be reckoned with. From the talents mentioned above as compared to what WP might produce just for the sake of filling the void, the choice is clear. WP should take into consideration the interest of the voters and the nation as a whole, not just to further the interest of its own party.
In this perspective, I expect WP to be noble enough to take a step back and allow the opposition as a whole to field its best talent. Any rationale WP supporters should also tune in to the fact that this move will be in the best interest of the citizens. If this is to happen, a happy problem will then occur. Who best among the ‘giants’ should contest in a straight fight against the PAP? We save this political argument for another day.
Regards,
Osman Sulaiman
WP should take into consideration the interest of the voters and the nation as a whole, not just to further the interest of its own party.
like it or not. party interest ( pap and oppositions ) always come first before people and country interest. but there is one thing that come first before party interest. that is of course self-interest.
like it or not. party interest ( pap and oppositions ) always come first before people and country interest. but there is one thing that come first before party interest. that is of course self-interest.
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Why did he contradict his party chief KJ who welcomed multicorners fights as democratic.
Politics is not about an individual. Whether a candidate or MP will succeed depends on the machinery behind him. The organizers and researchers. To make a quality choice between Vincent (last round SDP) and Sajeev (last round WP) is easy. Vincent wins. Add in the support WP can give to Sajeev and the support SDP can give Vincent, the choice becomes more difficult.
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There are always new people. Apart from WP, more people will join NSP and SDP. Definitely more than enough to fill RP's vacancies.
He's incomprehensible to the extent that I am not sure if he knows what he's saying. He has said he will be the candidate and this was decided by RP's CEC. I take it that they have dismissed the principle that the opp who last contests gets the priority. In future, AMK and West Coast is open to all takers.
I bet everything that a BE will be held.
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If WP takes that kind of silly positioning, they will tantamount to be saying that their existence is contrary to national interest. They will be slapping their own face.
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And Pinky hasn't even finish his urgent national matters to decide whether to have BE or not.[/QUOTE]
Bro, what urgent national matters r u referring to? The ongoing National Talkcock Sessions? Methinks our Education Minister Heng is doing a good job and he's more eminently qualified than the PM in terms of temperament. As for the Budget debates, it is the same old boring story of how to share the spoils among the ministries and stat boards while at the same time sound some doomsday warnings exhorting the citizens to tighten their belts and prepare for economic slowdowns. That's the Finance Minister's headache anyway. Imho, there is nothing more urgent than seeking an elected representative to look after Punggol East.
Bro, what urgent national matters r u referring to? The ongoing National Talkcock Sessions? Methinks our Education Minister Heng is doing a good job and he's more eminently qualified than the PM in terms of temperament. As for the Budget debates, it is the same old boring story of how to share the spoils among the ministries and stat boards while at the same time sound some doomsday warnings exhorting the citizens to tighten their belts and prepare for economic slowdowns. That's the Finance Minister's headache anyway. Imho, there is nothing more urgent than seeking an elected representative to look after Punggol East.
What you say is correct. Low and WP have never openly said no-one from elsewhere should not stand against them in multi-corner fights in seats WP have earmarked to contest. It is people in the other oppo parties that have talked about no multi-cornered fights, and worse still they are actually asking WP to throw their support around another oppo candidate. This is the stance of people who know the other oppo parties they support are very weak and therefore are begging for a chance. These same people are also delusional.
anyone can go for election,,, no problem,,, may the best man wins,,,,,
nsp not contesting,,,,
benjamin pwee ,,, as. independent candidate,,, what happen to the $2 million endowment fund for potong pasir that he promised?
fatty desmond.... he got aother 12k deposit and 40k for polling o burn,,,, why not
KJ,,,, lets see whats this guy is made of, cant understand anything he says,,,,,
WP,,,, well,, les see whether anyone of substance better than the last candidate, unlikely but who knows....
PAP,,,, a retiring general? NTUC idiots? OYP? Desmond Choo again? or which civil servant? all bottom of the barrel, no surprises,,,,,,
nsp not contesting,,,,
benjamin pwee ,,, as. independent candidate,,, what happen to the $2 million endowment fund for potong pasir that he promised?
fatty desmond.... he got aother 12k deposit and 40k for polling o burn,,,, why not
KJ,,,, lets see whats this guy is made of, cant understand anything he says,,,,,
WP,,,, well,, les see whether anyone of substance better than the last candidate, unlikely but who knows....
PAP,,,, a retiring general? NTUC idiots? OYP? Desmond Choo again? or which civil servant? all bottom of the barrel, no surprises,,,,,,
Because his speaking mannerism is exactly like many of the soulless pap ministers like lim hk, TCH etc.
