Deep inside, malays are Taoist.

[syed putra]

Whenever a topic being discussed, u would say Muslim dont do this and tat. Against the Quran teaching. Obviously they get pissed off. Next thing is bashing time and Muslims at the receiving end. Then u also join in the fun and started mocking Islam.

I defended muslims more than most.

 

[whoami]

I defended muslims more than most.

The moment u mocked the Quran/ Prophet, u are out of the Islamic faith.

 

[syed putra]

The moment u mocked the Quran/ Prophet, u are out of the Islamic faith.

To be fair to all.
The prophet part is based on historical facts.
It was only when they found the Arabic edicts written about the time of mohamad i.e, agreement between mohamad and the clans in medina, did his name surface on official records.

 

[whoami]

To be fair to all.

Tks but no tks. We no need ur "support". Enjoy mocking the Muslims. Dont be a hypocrite.

 

[syed putra]

Tks but no tks. We no need ur "support". Enjoy mocking the Muslims. Dont be a hypocrite.

You were not responding to queries and criticism properly. Like no understanding of what you believe in.

 

[whoami]

You were not responding to queries and criticism properly. Like no understanding of what you believe in.

One thing i cant accept is lies after lies. U sure i did not respond to all ur queries? U suffering fm dementia? In fact i provided tons and tons of info and links to u. Wat did i get in respond? Mockery after mockery. So no more feeding the troll. U may enjoy ur fun.

 

[syed putra]

One thing i cant accept is lies after lies. U sure i did respond to all ur queries? In fact i provided tons and tons of info and links to u. Wat did i get in respond? Mockery after mockery. So no more feeding the troll. U may enjoy ur fun.

Ok

 

[nightsafari]

Ok

I think you are trying too hard to appear neutral and non-partisan. As far as this thread is concerned, it comes off as insincere and weaselly.

I think it best if you state your thoughts and be judged accordingly one way or another. But I for 1 appreciate your inputs as a whole even if i sometimes disagree with you. have a nice day.

 

[Nice-Gook]

I am just telling them they got the idea all wrong.

but Why only tell them Muslims ? i dont see you telling likewise to christians, Hindus, Buddhists or any damnn religious chap ?

and Why the need to tell ? and till this moment donch noe what the fuck you are indeed telling, nobody seems to know either...except Muslims are wrong in this and that but you won't tell the right way either?

are you alright ? need to see a doc ?

 

[Nice-Gook]

I think you are trying too hard to appear neutral and non-partisan. As far as this thread is concerned, it comes off as insincere and weaselly.

I think it best if you state your thoughts and be judged accordingly one way or another. But I for 1 appreciate your inputs as a whole even if i sometimes disagree with you. have a nice day.

the momment he goes silent after i pose a question than only appear after I log out ,shows dishonesty and slyness ...wonder why ,as there is no need to ...in that respect even @John Tan our regular asshole comes better .

 

[Loofydralb]

I defended muslims more than most.

No. You are a hypocrite.

Let me enlighten what a hypocrite means. A hypocrite lies to the world what he wants to portray as true when in fact it is false. Some hypocrites attempts to lie to themselves too, but that is a different subject for another day.

 

[nightsafari]

the momment he goes silent after i pose a question than only appear after I log out ,shows dishonesty and slyness ...wonder why ,as there is no need to ...in that respect even @John Tan our regular asshole comes better .

well... I think he can be more straightforward, but I think he does it to appear more intellectual and intelligent.

Hard for me to be sure what's going on in his head, but I prefer to encourage him to "stand straighter" rather than scold him for slouching if you get what I mean.

 

[Nice-Gook]

well... I think he can be more straightforward, but I think he does it to appear more intellectual and intelligent.

Hard for me to be sure what's going on in his head, but I prefer to encourage him to "stand straighter" rather than scold him for slouching if you get what I mean.

Yes, I do agree ,pal

i think he wants to be an intellectual quite badly ...ok ,point taken ..no more tekkan from me ...tks for holding me back ..we do want syed around too

 

[JohnTan]

interesting. that means the Chinese in Malaysia are paying for the price of their earlier discrimination a thousand years later.

If you are hoping that good deeds be used to compensate for bad deeds, you will be disillusioned. Even humans do not accept good deeds as compensation for bad deeds from each other. If you commit a crime, your past good deeds doesn't exempt you from punishment.

Look at Japan and Germany. They lost WW2 and have apologized numerous time. But when someone doesn't like Japan or Germany, they never fail to remind these two nations of their WW2 misdeeds. No amount of apology will ever put an end to demands for further apologies or racist taunts.

Moslems don't like Christians. They always like to bring up crusades and colonial rule. No amount of apologies will ever appease an islamist. Yet during the same period, the various sultanates were slaughtering Christians and Hindus and other religions on a huge scale. No islamist will ever say that was a sin in the eyes of their allah. They all side with their own co-religionist simply because they are from the same religion.

If you hope to do good deeds to atone for your bad deeds, you will be guilt-trip into doing good deeds forever without the slightest sight of redemption at the end. The aggrieved person will always want you to do more, or your guilt trip yourself into doing more and more good deeds. Either way, you don't get redemption and the aggrieved party uses your good deeds to feed their own resentments. Look at the m&ds in jiuhu. Their special privileges today is far greater than what they had in the 1960s. Yet, they feel more resentful than ever towards the non-moslems.

 

[JohnTan]

I defended muslims more than most.

So did I. Any mention of the moslem prophet is backed up with references from moslem religious text, not hearsay. It's just weird that they can interpret 'white' as 'black' and 'black' as 'white'. It's pretty much why they can think human rights atrocities like honour killing is okay or at worst, a minor cultural fault and they do very very little to eradicate this problem. Corruption and religious bigotries are as common as breathing in their societies too. But all they do is say 'cultural fault' and they happily continue doing it. It's like 'cultural fault' is some magic phrase that allows people to sin with impunity.

 

[nightsafari]

If you are hoping that good deeds be used to compensate for bad deeds, you will be disillusioned. Even humans do not accept good deeds as compensation for bad deeds from each other. If you commit a crime, your past good deeds doesn't exempt you from punishment.

That's exactly right. I 100% agree with you. Good deeds do not compensate for bad deeds. It catches up with you eventually is what I said.

Moslems don't like Christians. They always like to bring up crusades and colonial rule. No amount of apologies will ever appease an islamist. Yet during the same period, the various sultanates were slaughtering Christians and Hindus and other religions on a huge scale. No islamist will ever say that was a sin in the eyes of their allah. They all side with their own co-religionist simply because they are from the same religion.

Yes. Aren't you interested in the mechanics of how this happens? I'm very curious as to what can drive people to do the acts that religion does.

If you hope to do good deeds to atone for your bad deeds, you will be guilt-trip into doing good deeds forever without the slightest sight of redemption at the end. The aggrieved person will always want you to do more, or your guilt trip yourself into doing more and more good deeds. Either way, you don't get redemption and the aggrieved party uses your good deeds to feed their own resentments. Look at the m&ds in jiuhu. Their special privileges today is far greater than what they had in the 1960s. Yet, they feel more resentful than ever towards the non-moslems.

yes. agreed. as above, I'm curious as to the psycho-mechanics of it...

 

[JohnTan]

Yes. Aren't you interested in the mechanics of how this happens? I'm very curious as to what can drive people to do the acts that religion does.

Moslems love face very much, just like asiatics. To the Japanese, they are very reluctant to criticize their warriors for slaughtering and raping across East Asia during WW2 because it is seen as being unfillal. So all references to bad deeds are either covered up, or put in very polite terms.

During my younger days, I discussed with moslems in real life about the contents of the Bible. One of the things they disliked about the Bible was its clear references to misdeeds of the "prophets" or Biblical characters. The moslems I talked to were shocked that the Bible would so blatantly talk about King David committing murder and adultery, or about Noah being seen sleeping naked. They felt it was very disrespectful towards the prophets and such verses should have been covered up or rephrased politely.

So, when we discuss King David, even Christians agree that King David committed murder and adultery, which was plain wrong. Yet, when we discuss about moslem muhammad or his companions, and questionable things he did, there's always a perfect, justifiable reason for what he did. And if you question further, you are guilty of apostasy, blasphemy or maybe even a zionist agent.

yes. agreed. as above, I'm curious as to the psycho-mechanics of it...

The pscyho-mechanics of it is pretty much like nearly everything else we do. We trade. We do and sacrifice in exchange for something else. In every other religion, people do good deeds, enforce self discipline in exchange for atonement of sin and entry into paradise. You exercise more often, you get healthier. So people extrapolate this to you do more good deeds, you are closer to heaven. Most people think this is normal. Yet at the same breath, they dislike it when other people volunteer at PA in exchange for faster queues in popular primary schools. Even grassroots leaders like myself dislike such volunteers. We see them as hypocrites.

In the same light, I see people as following religious diets or doing good deeds just to please their god or because they fear for their soul as hypocrites. What sort of fucked up god will think good deeds out of fear of hell is the right attitude in life?

 

[nightsafari]

Moslems love face very much, just like asiatics. To the Japanese, they are very reluctant to criticize their warriors for slaughtering and raping across East Asia during WW2 because it is seen as being unfillal. So all references to bad deeds are either covered up, or put in very polite terms.

During my younger days, I discussed with moslems in real life about the contents of the Bible. One of the things they disliked about the Bible was its clear references to misdeeds of the "prophets" or Biblical characters. The moslems I talked to were shocked that the Bible would so blatantly talk about King David committing murder and adultery, or about Noah being seen sleeping naked. They felt it was very disrespectful towards the prophets and such verses should have been covered up or rephrased politely.

So, when we discuss King David, even Christians agree that King David committed murder and adultery, which was plain wrong. Yet, when we discuss about moslem muhammad or his companions, and questionable things he did, there's always a perfect, justifiable reason for what he did. And if you question further, you are guilty of apostasy, blasphemy or maybe even a zionist agent.



The pscyho-mechanics of it is pretty much like nearly everything else we do. We trade. We do and sacrifice in exchange for something else. In every other religion, people do good deeds, enforce self discipline in exchange for atonement of sin and entry into paradise. Most people think this is normal. Yet at the same breath, they dislike it when other people volunteer at PA in exchange for faster queues in popular primary schools. Even grassroots leaders like myself dislike such volunteers. We see them as hypocrites.

In the same light, I see people as following religious diets or doing good deeds just to please their god or because they fear for their soul as hypocrites. What sort of fucked up god will think good deeds out of fear of hell is the right attitude in life?

thanks for the insight. It is deeply appreciated. I will go and digest the above for a while.

But as for the very last line, no way am I subscribing to fear as a primary motivator no matter how powerful the person is. It is a seriously flawed approach.

 

[syed putra]

Moses murdered too.
And noahs wife committed adultery.
But most wouldn't know about this. Its in the Quran too.

 

[whoami]

Moses murdered too.
And noahs wife committed adultery.
But most wouldn't know about this. Its in the Quran too.

Hey! Why mentoned the Quran when u urself proclaimed Quran written by human hands. Hypocrite.