Png: 'I took my name out of NCMP list

[streetsmart73]

Re: Jia lut liao Png Eng Huat lie to the media on his NCMP stand exposed by document

Updated 12:10 PM May 22, 2012
SINGAPORE - A day after a source claimed that Workers' Party (WP) candidate Png Eng Huat had never asked to be be off the Non-Constituency Member of Parliament (NCMP) ballot, Mr Png today explained it was part of the procedure for every candidate to be considered.

Speaking to reporters outside the Hougang Town Council, Mr Png said he had made clear to party chief Low Thia Khiang and his East Coast GRC teammates that he did not want to be considered for the NCMP seat but it was part of the procedure for every candidate in the team to be included for consideration in the secret ballot by the CEC.

He clarified that he meant he did not want to be considered as a candidate for the NCMP post when he told Channel NewsAsia that he had taken his name out from the ballot. He apologised for causing confusion to those who thought he had literally omitted his name from the ballot papers.

Mr Png added Mr Low will be addressing this issue at the WP rally tonight.

A source had emailed the media last night with what was said to be a copy of the minutes from the WP Executive Council extraordinary meeting, held on May 12 last year, after Mr Png told CNA yesterday he had taken his name out of the NCMP ballot.

He was responding to Deputy Prime Minister Teo Chee Hean's question on Sunday, on why the WP did not put up Mr Png for the NCMP post following the General Election last year, if it wanted him in Parliament.

The source claimed Mr Png had never stated he was against the NCMP scheme, and in fact received a vote for the NCMP seat in Parliament that would eventually go to Mr Gerald Giam.

The copy of the minutes emailed to the media detailed the exchange of views between party secretary-general Low Thia Khiang and General Election 2011 candidate Eric Tan, who felt he should get the NCMP seat after leading the East Coast GRC to a strong showing at the polls.

Mr Tan would lose the secret ballot to Mr Giam and subsequently resign from the party. However, in the ballot, Mr Png received one vote for the NCMP seat, according to the copy of the minutes.

In the email last night, the anonymous source said: "Nowhere in this meeting did Png Eng Huat indicate to the CEC to remove his name from the ballot. In fact there was one CEC vote for him."

hi there



1. ronny, you seem to be overly gunho on this matter.
2. honest, why don't you attend one those rallies & stand up among the crowd & challenge.
3. it is more fun that way rather just doing it here.

 

[streetsmart73]

Can trust Png? "Take himself out of ballot" is a very clear statement. How can that be confused with any other meaning?

hi there


1. do you trust some daft sheep that cries, apologises, dances, sings etc?
2. including dogs & snakes alike.
3. at the end of the day, nothing much to do!
4. get real man.

 

[RonRon]

Re: Jia lut liao Png Eng Huat lie to the media on his NCMP stand exposed by document

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[Scrooball (clone)]

hi there


1. do you trust some daft sheep that cries, apologises, dances, sings etc?
2. including dogs & snakes alike.
3. at the end of the day, nothing much to do!
4. get real man.

Hey come on. WP always say PAP this PAP that. But now this Png fella also the same bullshit but wearing different color.

 

[Fook Seng]

that's why Zhuge Liang so clever last time, must 三分天下
proportionate representation is the way to go? are we looking at the birth of a coalition government in the future?

I like that phrase "proportionate representation". I am totally in resonance with it. Just wonder why none of the opposition parties pop up this idea instead of just asking for SMC which is still a long way off from proportionate representation?

 

[Fook Seng]

When i listened to the audio recording of the reporters asking Png about the NCMP, he sounded rather evasive and kept saying "i think....". Experience tells me that whenever someone say "i think...", they are either lying or unsure.

Why is Ong Ye Kung or George Yeo not nominated instead of Desmond? Surely they are much more qualified and likely to gain more votes. Don't tell me that PAP does not want to win and that there is a WP mole in the PAP higher echelon?

 

[Fook Seng]

Did he just insulted all the opposition who had accepted NCMP? It may not be that dignifying to be NCMP but at least they get to say someone and raise issues for the people. I thought it should be country before self-pride?

As a matter of fact, it is the ruling party that has insulted all the opposition parties by coming out with this NCMP scheme. In fact it insulted democracy and tried also to insult the people of Singapore into thinking that it is the same thing as an MP.

 

[Clone]

Re: Jia lut liao Png Eng Huat lie to the media on his NCMP stand exposed by document

source:
http://f.cl.ly/items/3U2j2R0q3H1U2V1K1604/2012-05-22.press.conf.mp3

Thanks for sharing this clip. Many points for you.

 

[RonRon]

Re: Jia lut liao Png Eng Huat lie to the media on his NCMP stand exposed by document

Png Eng Huat: A repeat of the Yaw Shin Leong saga?
by Alps Tan on Tuesday, 22 May 2012 at 13:45 ·

WP Hougang by-election candidate Png Eng Huat had, in fact, taken himself out of the running as he has a "personal stand" against the NCMP scheme, Mr Png told Channel NewsAsia yesterday. Mr Png told that he had actually taken his name "out of the ballot for the NCMP post because I have a personal stand against the NCMP scheme".

Less than 24 hours after making this statement, Png Eng Huat came under fire when Zaobao released the leaked WP minutes of meeting for that fateful day when the WP CEC deliberated on the NCMP position.

Not only had Png Eng Huat not taken his name out of the NCMP election, he probably put his name in.

Contrary to what Mr Png had earlier claimed, he did not remove his name from the ballot. In fact, he was one of the 3 contestants for the NCMP position, and he even managed to garner one vote from the CEC. An accidental vote? I think not.

The East Coast GRC team had 5 candidates who were eligible to be elected by the WP CEC for the NCMP position.
1. Gerald Giam (In the running)
2. Eric Tan (In the running)
3. Png Eng Huat (In the running)
4. Mohamed Fazli (Did not run)
5. Glenda Han (Did not run)

It appears that Mr Png got it the wrong way round. Not only did he not take his name out of the ballot. He put his name in for the running of the NCMP seat.

The Zaobao article does not reveal the complete list of WP CEC members who were present, but if we examine the minutes of meeting, at least 2 members were confirmed to be present.
Secretary General - Low Thia Kiang
Chairman - Sylvia Lim.

Were they aware of Png contesting for the NCMP vote?
Yes

Were they also aware of Png's claim that he had taken his name out of the ballot?
Yes

Did they do anything to correct the misrepresentation by Png?
No

This goes directly against the grain of accountability and responsibility that Low Thia Kiang had so proudly trumpeted when he sacked Yaw Shin Leong over a lack of the same.

Is this the First World Parliament that WP is trying to create?

 

[Scrooball (clone)]

Re: Jia lut liao Png Eng Huat lie to the media on his NCMP stand exposed by document

Png really foot in mouth. If he took himself out of balloting, then he should be like these two

4. Mohamed Fazli (Did not run)
5. Glenda Han (Did not run)

 

[BuiKia]

Why would WP force someone to take NCMP by going through the voting? If sakali he win then he will have to lanlan take the post?

 

[skponggol]

Re: Jia lut liao Png Eng Huat lie to the media on his NCMP stand exposed by document

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Did Png Eng Huat vote for himself during the Balloting? Did he keh-keh and 偷吃? Then how did he manage to get 1 vote despite telling everyone that he did not want on so many occasions? Did WP CEC members or Png suffering from communication problems?

"No means Yes...just like ONS" - WP

[video=youtube;E1NHJNPtthI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1NHJNPtthI[/video]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1NHJNPtthI

"Png蛋, NCMP, 你想要吗?"
"想要!" - Png蛋

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[zhihau]

Re: Jia lut liao Png Eng Huat lie to the media on his NCMP stand exposed by document

Is this the First World Parliament that WP is trying to create?

me only see a lot of confusion you're trying very hard to create :p:p:p

 

[sense]

The Ten Commandments & WP

1. ...
2. ...
3. ...
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6. ...
7. You must not commit adultery. [YSL]
8. ...
9. You must not give false evidence against your neighbour. [PEH]
10. You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour. [YSL]

In any case, Singapore is still better off to have 1 more opposition member in the parliament than 1 more proposition. Why? Because, the former will likely cause the PAP to be more on their toes than the latter.

PEH's NCMP issue is likely to cause him to lose votes and it may be wise for WP to change to another person who knows when to keep his mouth shut and when to fire away.

 

[RonRon]

Re: Jia lut liao Png Eng Huat lie to the media on his NCMP stand exposed by document

The road paved with lies and deceit.
by Alps Tan on Tuesday, 22 May 2012 at 17:34 ·


We all choose a road in our lives. Robert Frost might have chosen the road less traveled, but it seems that the Worker's Party has chosen an interesting sort of road - a road paved with lies and deceit.

A recap of the lies WP has told thus far:

1. LIE NO 1. Png Eng Huat said on Mon night that he had taken his name out of the ballot; and that is why he was not chosen as the NCMP to represent East Coast GRC. Many WP supporters, as did many Singaporeans, took Png's word for it. Purely on faith vested in the WP and its leadership, they believed that Png was telling the truth. But as it turned out, this was nothing but a lie. Png's name was on the list of potential candidates to be elected by the WP CEC, and had in fact garnered 1 vote.

2. LIE NO 2. Now to explain away LIE NO 1, Png reinvents his story, and said that he had no choice because the entire East Coast team had to be in the ballot. But that is another lie. 2 members of the East Coast GRC Team were not on the ballot - Glenda Han and Mohd Fazli. Png did in fact have a choice. He could either run for the NCMP position with Eric Tan and Gerald Giam, or he could choose not to run, together with Glenda and Fazli.

3. LIE NO 3. Png told CNA today that his choice of words were "ambiguous" and he apologized for the confusion. But his words were not ambiguous. Png said " I actually took my name out of the ballot for the NCMP post. Because I have a personal stand against the NCMP scheme, so that's why my name wasn't in the ballot. " Png said he took out his name. It is a clear and direct statement. There is no ambiguity. But the truth is that not only did he not take out his name, he actually contested - and lost - the ballot.

4. LIE NO 4. Png also claimed that he had clearly expressed his intention not to run for the NCMP position. He claimed that he had informed the WP CEC as well as his East Coast GRC teammates of his intention not to run. The minutes of meeting do not show any protest by Png or suggestion that he didnt want his name included. These are not slipshod minutes that 'accidentally' missed this fact. They painstakingly recorded details of conversations and intentions between Chairman Sylvia Lim, Secretary General Low Thia Kiang and Eric Tan, and not a single mention was made of Png expressing his unwillingness to run.

5. LIE NO 5. A lie can be told in a statement. A lie can also be told in silence. When Png committed LIE NO 1, the other WP CEC members who were present at the meeting - Low Thia Kiang and Sylvia Lim - did not step forth to correct the 'misunderstanding'. Low in particular, was the one who proudly trumpeted WP's accountability and transparency when he made the announcement to sack Yaw Shin Leong. Instead of being accountable to the people, Low Thia Kiang and Sylvia Lim allowed Png's lies to perpetuate, hoping against odds that the blind faith WP supporters have in their leadership will carry the day.

Perhaps the greatest tragedy of this incident is that the truth of this matter will be lost and forgotten in the noise of campaigning. Perhaps Mr Low and Ms Lim are right - that the faith WP supporters have in their leadership will cause them to close their eyes to the warning signs of greater dishonesty to come. And so, I write this article for posterity, so that if the day should come where WP is swept to power on a lie, those who read this will know that we who saw the signs during By-Election 2012, chose to ignore it.

All roads might lead to Rome, or so the saying goes. But this road WP has chosen for itself certainly doesn't lead to a First World Parliament.

 

[skponggol]

Re: Jia lut liao Png Eng Huat lie to the media on his NCMP stand exposed by document

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By leaking out the minutes of their top-secret Meeting, WP has taken the meaning of "Transparency" and "Accountability" to another level !!!

Nobody would ever expect them to be so 'Transparent' and so 'Accountable".....佩服, 佩服, 佩服到什么体都投地!!!


Who needs WikiLeaks when we have our very own WPLeaks !!! What a bunch of clowns!


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[zeddy]

Take it easy Bros..

Just wait for the rally later..

We can depend on Towkay Low to settle the matter..

Just a honest mistake by Ah Huat but Pappy boys in the press makin a big issue out of it..

Lets all focus on the main issue and that is to give the PAP the black eye this weekend..

 

[Scrooball (clone)]

Why would WP force someone to take NCMP by going through the voting? If sakali he win then he will have to lanlan take the post?

4. Mohamed Fazli (Did not run)
5. Glenda Han (Did not run)

 

[RonRon]

Re: Jia lut liao Png Eng Huat lie to the media on his NCMP stand exposed by document

Bryan Ti
8 minutes ago

This is the first half of the WP CEC minutes.

I counted 14 present (including PNG ENG HUAT).

Since there were fourteen votes in the secret ballot, everyone present appears to have voted (including one abstention).

Hence PEH cannot give any excuse that he was not aware that his name was included in the ballot for the NCMP position.

He had said:""I actually took my name out of the ballot for the NCMP post. Because I have a personal stand against the NCMP scheme, so that's why my name wasn't in the ballot."

He was obviously did NOT do has has been less than generous with the truth.

Integrity is at stake.

Note also the para which states that the CEC deliberated and decided to accept the offer of NCMP seats. There was no mention of anyone objecting, on matters of principle or otherwise.

 

[myo539]

He got guts. Which PAP MP would tell old man, I don't want to be in your Cabinet/GRC?

GUTS? You are being conned. Png DID NOT take his name out of the ballet - this was stated very clearly by Png himself and minuted in his party's meeting,

"... my name was on the ballot paper itself that night when we went for the NCMP selection meeting. I cannot literally remove my name, so I have to go through the process," Png said..

Now he trying hard to do damage-control with some cock-and-bull story as more and more truths are revealed.

Finally :
... an anonymous source emailed the media with a copy of what was claimed to be the minutes from the said WP executive council extraordinary meeting on May 12, saying Png "did not asked" sic)for his name to be removed from the ballot.

How much control can a person do to a damage? Ask David Copperfield aka Houdini Yaw!
The Hougang fairy tale gets more and more interesting.

Source:
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/png-eng-huat-clarifies-involvement-in-ncmp-ballot-.html