Who will you side with?Communist PRC or Republic Of China in Taiwan?

[Agoraphobic]

You are totally defensive of PRC; this was all about who you will side, PRC or ROC. And I picked ROC. And I gave the reason why - and it's totally based on humanitarian reasons. You have a problem with that?

If you think I sound like Uncle Same, well, China (or more accurately the capitalists in China) are growing rich because of Uncle Sam's consumers (just like Japan did.)

I've been to China a couple of times, as a tourist and as a business rep. Rest of the time I spend travelling to other countries. I much prefer Thailand.

China will grow day by day - just like most countries who tie in with the rest of the world - it is nothing exceptional nor to trumpet over. I have Chinese friends and we invite each other to our homes; and they don't like communism nor corruption.

Now I pose this to you - PRC told the world back then that political reforms will come when economic progress is made. Alright, now that PRC is the second largest economy in the world, is she also second in press freedom, political freedom and/or government transparency. If not second, then what position?

No one is against making money; but when the less fortunate in society are trampled over by the better-off and the majority in that society are apathetic - that is pathetic.

I like China in many ways - one of them is beer is unimaginably cheap, even the import brands.

Cheers!

Whatever you say (you sounds like uncle Sam) China will still grow day by day.Again I dont think you have travelled to China enough??I am now in China and you can see so many Westerners here working side by side with the Chinese people and all the air tickets from Europe are full.................
As I say again "you gain some,and you will lose some,that's life".........But tomorrow China will still grow in threathening speed and will the Chinese will continue to adjust to the better with improving standard of living................Cheers

 

[pallkia]

You are totally defensive of PRC; this was all about who you will side, PRC or ROC. And I picked ROC. And I gave the reason why - and it's totally based on humanitarian reasons. You have a problem with that?

If you think I sound like Uncle Same, well, China (or more accurately the capitalists in China) are growing rich because of Uncle Sam's consumers (just like Japan did.)

I've been to China a couple of times, as a tourist and as a business rep. Rest of the time I spend travelling to other countries. I much prefer Thailand.

China will grow day by day - just like most countries who tie in with the rest of the world - it is nothing exceptional nor to trumpet over. I have Chinese friends and we invite each other to our homes; and they don't like communism nor corruption.

Now I pose this to you - PRC told the world back then that political reforms will come when economic progress is made. Alright, now that PRC is the second largest economy in the world, is she also second in press freedom, political freedom and/or government transparency. If not second, then what position?

No one is against making money; but when the less fortunate in society are trampled over by the better-off and the majority in that society are apathetic - that is pathetic.

I like China in many ways - one of them is beer is unimaginably cheap, even the import brands.

Cheers!

Bro,I think u r still not aware that China is still belonging to a 3rd World Country even it is 2nd Economy in the World as its GDP per capita is only USD3600 behind Malaysia and Thailand.If u r not comparing apple to apple,I think there is no point discussing further.S'pore is USD37000 already better than some European countries and where is our press freedom,Political freedom,govt transparency?U said u hv travelled to China??Can't u see it is still very poor in software (management,graciousness etc) but good in hardware (infrastructure)?

Imagine if China is like Finland who is USD50000 per capita income and above ,I dont think u will see all the scam like fake milk,abuse etc?U r a bit out of context?

Cheers!

 

[Cruxx]

Side with the ah tiongs and you'll see Singapore become the next "一国两制". CCP keep trying to convince the West that they are benign and peaceful but when you see them wrangle with Japan and Taiwan over sovereignty of lands, you know that PRC can never be trusted. I've said it ad nauseam and I'm gonna say it again: never trust a people who think nothing of poisoning babies for a profit, executing human beings over financial crimes and torturing, killing and harvesting the organs of those whose only crime is to believe in some weird, harmless religion.

 

[pallkia]

Side with the ah tiongs and you'll see Singapore become the next "一国两制". CCP keep trying to convince the West that they are benign and peaceful but when you see them wrangle with Japan and Taiwan over sovereignty of lands, you know that PRC can never be trusted. I've said it ad nauseam and I'm gonna say it again: never trust a people who think nothing of poisoning babies for a profit, executing human beings over financial crimes and torturing, killing and harvesting the organs of those whose only crime is to believe in some weird, harmless religion.

You are too focus on small stuff,politics is talking about macro stuff,of course it doesn't mean I condone their behaviours,but as a ethnic Chinese myself what we should care is China must grow fast and has no time to lose!I don't care what colour they are ,they must prosper fast!We have to be pragmatic!

 

[Sideswipe]

You are too focus on small stuff,politics is talking about macro stuff,of course it doesn't mean I condone their behaviours,but as a ethnic Chinese myself what we should care is China must grow fast and has no time to lose!I don't care what colour they are ,they must prosper fast!We have to be pragmatic!

so human rights issues and democracy are not important, only economy and make money matter? Many mainland Chinese think like this thus China conversion from communism to fascism and the disaster of Chinese peoples are set to continue.

 

[Sideswipe]

PRC and ROC look nice together.

 

[Cruxx]

You are too focus on small stuff,politics is talking about macro stuff,of course it doesn't mean I condone their behaviours,but as a ethnic Chinese myself what we should care is China must grow fast and has no time to lose!I don't care what colour they are ,they must prosper fast!We have to be pragmatic!

Yeah pragmatism. Like virtually buying olympic medals through importing FThrash. Pragmatism: poisoning babies because babies are microscopic compared to making millions of renminbi. Pragmatism: inflate the GDP by building loads of property and nurturing a bubble that will soon burst and make all those triumphing the rise of China look silly. And please stop spouting your ethnocentric nonsense. I'm also of Chinese ethnicity but I don't give a damn about the fallacious concept of "四海之内皆兄弟". Only racists and fascists are superficial enough to be all wrapped up in the amount of melanin in their skin. I've more empathy with Europeans than the callous PRC ah tiongs, doesn't matter if it's Black French or German Turks.

 

[cheowyonglee]

Yeah pragmatism. Like virtually buying olympic medals through importing FThrash. Pragmatism: poisoning babies because babies are microscopic compared to making millions of renminbi. Pragmatism: inflate the GDP by building loads of property and nurturing a bubble that will soon burst and make all those triumphing the rise of China look silly. And please stop spouting your ethnocentric nonsense. I'm also of Chinese ethnicity but I don't give a damn about the fallacious concept of "四海之内皆兄弟". Only racists and fascists are superficial enough to be all wrapped up in the amount of melanin in their skin. I've more empathy with Europeans than the callous PRC ah tiongs, doesn't matter if it's Black French or German Turks.

yup i agree.what kind of government the communist is???i rather have the U.S here to balance the communist china power.i dont wish to see commuist china ruling asia.

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[pallkia]

Yeah pragmatism. Like virtually buying olympic medals through importing FThrash. Pragmatism: poisoning babies because babies are microscopic compared to making millions of renminbi. Pragmatism: inflate the GDP by building loads of property and nurturing a bubble that will soon burst and make all those triumphing the rise of China look silly. And please stop spouting your ethnocentric nonsense. I'm also of Chinese ethnicity but I don't give a damn about the fallacious concept of "四海之内皆兄弟". Only racists and fascists are superficial enough to be all wrapped up in the amount of melanin in their skin. I've more empathy with Europeans than the callous PRC ah tiongs, doesn't matter if it's Black French or German Turks.

Let me preach a little bit: In life there are 3 stages:
1 . 看山是山，看海是海，when r small ,u r told this is mountain or sea,u will agree this is mountain and this is sea.

2 看山不是山，看海不是海 ， when u r told this is mountain or sea,u will never agree even it is indeed Mountain and sea. becos u r young,rebellious,full of idealistic thinkings

3 看山“还是”山，看海“还是”海 ，u will finally agree that indeed this is mountain and sea when u r told. becos finally u have seen the world and r mature!

So I guess u r still in the 2nd stage in your life,I dont blame u bec I was at yr stage before,it is a natural course in life.Just like in S'pore,out of 10 stuffs, 8 r good (like stable govt,safe,affluent society etc),2 r bad stuff (human rights abuses,Media control,foreigners influx etc),but overall we are considered good,but singkees still complain for the sake of complaining.

When China (now USD3600)has reached our Per Capita Income of USD37000,all your so called babies poisoning,inflate GDP etc will all disappear.That is a natural course in development.But Of course,it is good to have some Western people to control China in their road to success.No point arguing ,just remember what I said when u hv reached the final stage in life! Cheers

 

[cheowyonglee]

Let me preach a little bit: In life there are 3 stages:
1 . 看山是山，看海是海，when r small ,u r told this is mountain or sea,u will agree this is mountain and this is sea.

2 看山不是山，看海不是海 ， when u r told this is mountain or sea,u will never agree even it is indeed Mountain and sea. becos u r young,rebellious,full of idealistic thinkings

3 看山“还是”山，看海“还是”海 ，u will finally agree that indeed this is mountain and sea when u r told. becos finally u have seen the world and r mature!

So I guess u r still in the 2nd stage in your life,I dont blame u bec I was at yr stage before,it is a natural course in life.Just like in S'pore,out of 10 stuffs, 8 r good (like stable govt,safe,affluent society etc),2 r bad stuff (human rights abuses,Media control,foreigners influx etc),but overall we are considered good,but singkees still complain for the sake of complaining.

When China (now USD3600)has reached our Per Capita Income of USD37000,all your so called babies poisoning,inflate GDP etc will all disappear.That is a natural course in development.But Of course,it is good to have some Western people to control China in their road to success.No point arguing ,just remember what I said when u hv reached the final stage in life! Cheers

I pity you for seeing only the surface of Communist China.You still don't know the reason i am against Communist China!!!

Let me give you one example, let's say i backstab you last time and caused you to loose your job.I lie to you and i dont believe in god.i believe in hardhand to solve all problems.

Now i am rich, my character is still the same.will you respect me as who i am or becos i am rich???

i am rich that is becos i have alot of natural resources but not becos i am capable.but i am still who i am that is communist.i believe in backstabbing, i believe in using lies to rule the world, and i believe in no god and no hell.

i believe in dictator and i believe in what i do, you must believe in me regardless of right and wrong!!!

so... what if i am rich but i am still evil inside my heart???i ban all the true religon leaders and i slot in all my own communist thinking fake religon leaders.i want to control everyone using my own communist thinking.

now, this is what i am referring to ' COMMUNIST CHINA' !!!

Don't come and bullshit to me about economic growth.Dont and please dont!!!
If you want to argue with us, argue on what the communist china bastard had done to the world.fake religion, fake milk, corrupted official... lie about who fight the japs during world war 2.. alot alot!!!

if you want to boast about china economic, go and open one thread and i can argue with you about that.if not, come and talk to us .. what china had done right beside the economic and which i think communist china economic growth is nothing to boast about because they are just using China vast amount of natural resources and control 90% of the world rare minerals and by using large amount of her own cheap labours to produce cheap goods to make her GDP look good, and not forgetting how Hong Kong and ROC Taiwan had helped her alot before or else communist china better wait long long before she can boast her economic now!!! :oIo: :oIo: :oIo:

 

[Cruxx]

Let me preach a little bit: In life there are 3 stages:
1 . 看山是山，看海是海，when r small ,u r told this is mountain or sea,u will agree this is mountain and this is sea.

2 看山不是山，看海不是海 ， when u r told this is mountain or sea,u will never agree even it is indeed Mountain and sea. becos u r young,rebellious,full of idealistic thinkings

3 看山“还是”山，看海“还是”海 ，u will finally agree that indeed this is mountain and sea when u r told. becos finally u have seen the world and r mature!

So I guess u r still in the 2nd stage in your life,I dont blame u bec I was at yr stage before,it is a natural course in life.Just like in S'pore,out of 10 stuffs, 8 r good (like stable govt,safe,affluent society etc),2 r bad stuff (human rights abuses,Media control,foreigners influx etc),but overall we are considered good,but singkees still complain for the sake of complaining.

When China (now USD3600)has reached our Per Capita Income of USD37000,all your so called babies poisoning,inflate GDP etc will all disappear.That is a natural course in development.But Of course,it is good to have some Western people to control China in their road to success.No point arguing ,just remember what I said when u hv reached the final stage in life! Cheers

Ha! Don't give me the "maturity" bullshit. Your appeal to seniority has no traction with me. I've only one simple question to pose: where are the human rights transgressions in Bhutan considering the fact that their GDP per capita is lower than that of PRC? You see, life isn't as simplistic as you perceive it to be. You take on this cynical persona as if to prove that you've seen everything in life based on your finite existence and that all of society's woes could be reduced to income levels. But truth be told, society is much more nuanced than you think. It's the complexity of milieu that shapes a society, not generic measurements like GDP per capita. I've no idea what "stage" you're in right now but it sure doesn't entail much wisdom.

 

[Cruxx]

I pity you for seeing only the surface of Communist China.You still don't know the reason i am against Communist China!!!

Let me give you one example, let's say i backstab you last time and caused you to loose your job.I lie to you and i dont believe in god.i believe in hardhand to solve all problems.

Now i am rich, my character is still the same.will you respect me as who i am or becos i am rich???

i am rich that is becos i have alot of natural resources but not becos i am capable.but i am still who i am that is communist.i believe in backstabbing, i believe in using lies to rule the world, and i believe in no god and no hell.

i believe in dictator and i believe in what i do, you must believe in me regardless of right and wrong!!!

so... what if i am rich but i am still evil inside my heart???i ban all the true religon leaders and i slot in all my own communist thinking fake religon leaders.i want to control everyone using my own communist thinking.

now, this is what i am referring to ' COMMUNIST CHINA' !!!

Don't come and bullshit to me about economic growth.Dont and please dont!!!
If you want to argue with us, argue on what the communist china bastard had done to the world.fake religion, fake milk, corrupted official... lie about who fight the japs during world war 2.. alot alot!!!

if you want to boast about china economic, go and open one thread and i can argue with you about that.if not, come and talk to us .. what china had done right beside the economic and which i think communist china economic growth is nothing to boast about because they are just using China vast amount of natural resources and control 90% of the world rare minerals and by using large amount of her own cheap labours to produce cheap goods to make her GDP look good, and not forgetting how Hong Kong and ROC Taiwan had helped her alot before or else communist china better wait long long before she can boast her economic now!!! :oIo: :oIo: :oIo:

He is actually naive enough to believe that wealth will decrease the incentive to harm others for personal gain. LOL A corrupt person would be corrupt regardless of the number of zeros in his bank account.

 

[hotbot]

I will side with PRC,besides producing millions of chinese babes, like those you can find in KTVs, these women possess slutty and bitchy character that's very yummy and tasty for bonking, they are also very brave, as far as i know.:p:o

Seriously, if you look at the ancient map of China, it's actually much bigger than what they are now. If i remember correctly, it actually stretches to parts of Russia too.

He is actually naive enough to believe that wealth will decrease the incentive to harm others for personal gain. LOL A corrupt person would be corrupt regardless of the number of zeros in his bank account.

 

[Sideswipe]

He is actually naive enough to believe that wealth will decrease the incentive to harm others for personal gain. LOL A corrupt person would be corrupt regardless of the number of zeros in his bank account.

he will insist that you haven't reached that enlightened stage 3 yet and you will naturally understand when you reach that level.

 

[Cruxx]

he will insist that you haven't reached that enlightened stage 3 yet and you will naturally understand when you reach that level.

But I must admit, I kind of envy him. He's at the stage 4 right now: 山龟还是山龟.

 

[pallkia]

I am not requesting that u guys agree with me,if I do,I am really naive becos u r still in stage 2!Just remember me when u reach maturity!

I was like you championing Chee S J's idealistic thinkings but impragmatic styles,I gave up half way.

However u jump and angry,tomorrow PAP and The Chinese Govt will stil be in power and growing stronger (becos the majority of S'porean and the Chinese people are pragmatic) day by day and u will get frustrated day by day but yr frustration will stop when u start to get mature and agree with me in future when u reach 3rd stage in life!

Remember young men,do not scold anyone behind a computer who does not agree with you,we are just engaging in discussion voicing diff opininon.If u want to scold,do it face to face like a man! Cheers!

 

[cheowyonglee]

I am not requesting that u guys agree with me,if I do,I am really naive becos u r still in stage 2!Just remember me when u reach maturity!

I was like you championing Chee S J's idealistic thinkings but impragmatic styles,I gave up half way.

However u jump and angry,tomorrow PAP and The Chinese Govt will stil be in power and growing stronger (becos the majority of S'porean and the Chinese people are pragmatic) day by day and u will get frustrated day by day but yr frustration will stop when u start to get mature and agree with me in future when u reach 3rd stage in life!

Remember young men,do not scold anyone behind a computer who does not agree with you,we are just engaging in discussion voicing diff opininon.If u want to scold,do it face to face like a man! Cheers!

hmm, ok.i say sorry to you for showing you that hand sign.sorry again.
so, let's be man and talk in a nice way.

can i ask you something?economic and moral, which one is important?
answer yes or no....

 

[Cruxx]

I am not requesting that u guys agree with me,if I do,I am really naive becos u r still in stage 2!Just remember me when u reach maturity!

I was like you championing Chee S J's idealistic thinkings but impragmatic styles,I gave up half way.

However u jump and angry,tomorrow PAP and The Chinese Govt will stil be in power and growing stronger (becos the majority of S'porean and the Chinese people are pragmatic) day by day and u will get frustrated day by day but yr frustration will stop when u start to get mature and agree with me in future when u reach 3rd stage in life!

Remember young men,do not scold anyone behind a computer who does not agree with you,we are just engaging in discussion voicing diff opininon.If u want to scold,do it face to face like a man! Cheers!

Stage 4 doesn't even know the difference between pragmatism and materialism. There's nothing wrong with a "means justify ends" approach to life. In fact, I'm very much a pragmatist too. It's narrow pragmatism that I've a problem with. What is the end that you dogmatically pursue? Money. Well, I bet a "pragmatist" like you would have no qualms selling off your kidney for some quick cash.

 

[pallkia]

Stage 4 doesn't even know the difference between pragmatism and materialism. There's nothing wrong with a "means justify ends" approach to life. In fact, I'm very much a pragmatist too. It's narrow pragmatism that I've a problem with. What is the end that you dogmatically pursue? Money. Well, I bet a "pragmatist" like you would have no qualms selling off your kidney for some quick cash.

Stage 4 to me means immortal and this is tiring when all your love ones die one by one and u r alone and have to repeat yr life all over again like getting married,knowing new friends again and again.

I think I iwould still be more pragmatic and live a good life for once and die a rich man rather than die a poor man!Cheers!

 

[cheowyonglee]

a very good video about the real problem of china economic.

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