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Who will you side with?Communist PRC or Republic Of China in Taiwan?

There's a big difference between supporting ROC and supporting Taiwan. Which side are you on?

I only support Republic Of china and i am against to the Taiwan independent!

Republic Of China still living... havent die yet.So, there are 2 China now.
Just that, because of economic interest, most countries choose to regard PRC as the only China.But then, interest aside, ROC is still alive kicking.

I dont regard Communist China as the only China.I regard ROC as the rightful ruler of China!!!
 
You always like to call me pro-commies or pro-PRC. I'm not pro-commies. I'll only pro-PRC when in context of China versus others. PRC won mainland China, we as oversea Chinese with sentimental attachments have to accept that as fact and face it. PRC also screwed up mainland China 1949-79 with craps like Big Leap Forward (the most economically backward reverse gear the world has ever seen) and Cultural Revolution (the most uncultured barbarisation the world has ever seen). They have to face fact and history. It's not that I don't support ROC. It's also just fact and history that that screwed up China 1911-49 until they lost the whole mainland to PRC. If I'm a Chinese citizen given a choice, I'd prefer ROC over PRC anytime too, at least the lesser of two devils.
 
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Example one day when you go to market,and you got 2 pieace of meat here to choose from.One is from Taiwan and another one is from Communist ruled China.Which one will you choose???

The answer is NEITHER. I'll stick to eating vegetables until a decent piece of meat from some Ang Moh country shows up.:rolleyes:
 
You always like to call me pro-commies or pro-PRC. I'm not pro-commies. I'll only pro-PRC when in context of China versus others. PRC won mainland China, we as oversea Chinese with sentimental attachments have to accept that as fact and face it. PRC also screwed up mainland China 1949-79 with craps like Big Leap Forward (the most economically backward reverse gear the world has ever seen) and Cultural Revolution (the most uncultured barbarisation the world has ever seen). They have to face fact and history. It's not that I don't support ROC. It's also just fact and history that that screwed up China 1911-49 until they lost the whole mainland to PRC. If I'm a Chinese citizen given a choice, I'd prefer ROC over PRC anytime too, at least the lesser of two devils.

Good to know that you prefer ROC then PRC! I am not against China and Chinese in mainland too.it's just that, when i see how some of them behave so proud of their own Communist that i will go all the way to dig out history and prove them that Communist is nothing but evil.

Like i say before, if Communist is good, then there wont be 1989 year Tiananmen protest against the communist rule and ask for political reform!!!

Although Mao and Chiang both have their own wrong doing at that time, but i will still choose Chiang because i know he belong to the upright group while Mao belong to the down and not upright kind of people!!!
 
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Aiya the sick men of East Asia sure don't dare to fight with Taiwan lah. We're talking about a third world country vs one of the 4 Asian Tigers, which is backed by the world's sole global superpower. If the ah tiongs can beat Uncle Sam, I'll eat my keyboard.
 
Good to know that you prefer ROC then PRC! I am not against China and Chinese in mainland too.it's just that, when i see how some of them behave so proud of their own Communist that i will go all the way to dig out history and prove them that Communist is nothing but evil.

Like i say before, if Communist is good, then there wont be 1986 year Tiananmen protest against the communist rule and ask for political reform!!!

Although Mao and Chiang both have their own wrong doing at that time, but i will still choose Chiang because i know he belong to the upright group while Mao belong to the down and not upright kind of people!!!

That was 1989, not 1986. Anyway, back to history, the forces at work behind were USSR (supporting CCP/PRC), Japan (wanting a permanent partition of Manchukuo/Manchuria) and USA (openly supportive of ROC but had other agenda at heart, i.e. not to keep a strong China).

Chiang was very intelligent, he read it well. He used whatever US support to go after the commies first, ignoring Japan. However, that made Japan bolder and more ambitious and embarked on a "co-prosperity" mission, i.e. to have both China and Manchukuo under its sphere.

Chiang could have won way before 1945 by concentrating on the commies at the cost of sacrificing many Chinese lives to the Japanese. However, he was betrayed by his own generals taken in with the commie common front against Japanese propaganda, kidnapped and forced to change strategy.

After Japanese surrender in 1945, the commie propaganda machine was at full volume at they saved China from Japan as KMT was weakly semi-selling the country like old Qing Dynasty. Most peasants and commoners believed it and there was no way KMT could win by then.
 
That was 1989, not 1986. Anyway, back to history, the forces at work behind were USSR (supporting CCP/PRC), Japan (wanting a permanent partition of Manchukuo/Manchuria) and USA (openly supportive of ROC but had other agenda at heart, i.e. not to keep a strong China).

Chiang was very intelligent, he read it well. He used whatever US support to go after the commies first, ignoring Japan. However, that made Japan bolder and more ambitious and embarked on a "co-prosperity" mission, i.e. to have both China and Manchukuo under its sphere.

Chiang could have won way before 1945 by concentrating on the commies at the cost of sacrificing many Chinese lives to the Japanese. However, he was betrayed by his own generals taken in with the commie common front against Japanese propaganda, kidnapped and forced to change strategy.

After Japanese surrender in 1945, the commie propaganda machine was at full volume at they saved China from Japan as KMT was weakly semi-selling the country like old Qing Dynasty. Most peasants and commoners believed it and there was no way KMT could win by then.

Well said!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
I think this is a more complete story...watch this 10 part documentary..

China in revolution 1911-1949 (part1/10)

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Aiya the sick men of East Asia sure don't dare to fight with Taiwan lah. We're talking about a third world country vs one of the 4 Asian Tigers, which is backed by the world's sole global superpower. If the ah tiongs can beat Uncle Sam, I'll eat my keyboard.

yup i agree.they are so corrupted until ...

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and like that also can...

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http://www.epochtimes.com/gb/9/11/6/n2713460.htm
 
Aiya the sick men of East Asia sure don't dare to fight with Taiwan lah. We're talking about a third world country vs one of the 4 Asian Tigers, which is backed by the world's sole global superpower. If the ah tiongs can beat Uncle Sam, I'll eat my keyboard.

Commonsense, whatever millions of troops or hundreds of nukes PRC has, they can't beat USA. Otherwise, long time ago no such thing as South Korea or ROC Taiwan. In fact, the Vietnam victory was also due to Cold War restraints. US sent almost all conscripts (NS). It was half-hearted lose-nevermind just-do-duty mentality, whereas Viets were fighting for their lives, families and ideals. Where were the US regulars? Tied down in Europe at the Iron Curtain of course. After the Vietnam War, US abolished conscription (NS).
 
Commonsense, whatever millions of troops or hundreds of nukes PRC has, they can't beat USA. Otherwise, long time ago no such thing as South Korea or ROC Taiwan. In fact, the Vietnam victory was also due to Cold War restraints. US sent almost all conscripts (NS). It was half-hearted lose-nevermind just-do-duty mentality, whereas Viets were fighting for their lives, families and ideals. Where were the US regulars? Tied down in Europe at the Iron Curtain of course. After the Vietnam War, US abolished conscription (NS).

:eek: :eek: :eek: , looks like your history very deep deep!!! :cool:
 
Only Sinkie sheep and "Neeeee Howwww" ang mos are taken in by the propaganda of PRC. The erudite amongst us know that the GDP per capita is worse than Borat's inglorious nation of Kazakhstan, the property bubble is about to burst, much of the nation's wealth are produced by foreigners with no intention of living and spending in dirty, polluted China, and that the negative effects of the one-child policy are beginning to show.
 
Only Sinkie sheep and "Neeeee Howwww" ang mos are taken in by the propaganda of PRC. The erudite amongst us know that the GDP per capita is worse than Borat's inglorious nation of Kazakhstan, the property bubble is about to burst, much of the nation's wealth are produced by foreigners with no intention of living and spending in dirty, polluted China, and that the negative effects of the one-child policy are beginning to show.

yup.i agree.... very agreee!!!

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I don't blame the Chinese.It's the bloody Communist rulers for their own benefit, they dont bother to use their money to build a educated good nation but instead ... corrupted on their own women!!!
 
You always like to call me pro-commies or pro-PRC. I'm not pro-commies. I'll only pro-PRC when in context of China versus others. PRC won mainland China, we as oversea Chinese with sentimental attachments have to accept that as fact and face it. PRC also screwed up mainland China 1949-79 with craps like Big Leap Forward (the most economically backward reverse gear the world has ever seen) and Cultural Revolution (the most uncultured barbarisation the world has ever seen). They have to face fact and history. It's not that I don't support ROC. It's also just fact and history that that screwed up China 1911-49 until they lost the whole mainland to PRC. If I'm a Chinese citizen given a choice, I'd prefer ROC over PRC anytime too, at least the lesser of two devils.

As much as I disagree with chinese communist party, there seem to be a wind of change blowing in PRC. For eg, Premier Wen praised Hu Yaobang for his democratic efforts in the CCP. Premier Wen also called for greater political reforms during the Shenzhen anniversary celebration this year.
 
Some Singaporeans might think, ROC problem is not our problem.
If Communist China invade ROC Taiwan, then it's their problem.
ROC is not their problem, but as a upright Chinese, it's our problem.


They are whole branch of corrupted gang ruling China for the sake of $$$$ not for the sake of their own citizens.

中共太子党在中国本土迅猛发展的私募股权行业,占据了社会主导地位,他们通过重组国有_资产和为私企提供融资,赚取巨额利润。专家指出在各个特权垄断行业,太子党得天独厚,_父辈的权力转化为手中的金钱。

英国《金融时报》披露,在新崛起的私募行业中,闪现着当今中共最高领导人子女的身影,_包括现任总理温家宝的儿子温云松,前任总理朱镕基儿子朱云来,前政治局常委李瑞环的儿_子李振智,现任政治局常委李长春之女李彤,以及全国人大委员长吴邦国的女婿Wilso_n Feng。

汤森路透(Thomson Reuters)的资料显示,2009年,中国私募股权交易总额高达36亿美元,占亚_太地区这一类交易总额的三分之一。而太子党的权势,使得关系不够"硬"的参与者们受到_排挤,包括外国公司在内。

报导说,外国公司不得不争相把钱投给太子党们的私募基金。以前,这些有'背景'的太子_党们,他们的最佳选择是去高薪的西方投资银行,但现在他们跟那些外国人说,'嘿,现在_我说了算,手头什么单子都有——所以你们把钱给我,我自己来投资,还要分到大头'。"

曾经是赵紫阳智囊团成员的经济学家程晓农,也曾经担任中国经济体制改革研究所综合研究_室主任,他指出,太子党主导的都是需要权力和特别许可才可以进入的行业。

程晓农:"那么现在私募基金在中国实际上没有严格的相关法规来管制,他们等于是钻了这_个空子。既然没有法规,那么谁有权能批准,谁就容易进去。"

前审计署审计长李金华表示,官员子女及亲属快速增长的财富"是老百姓最不满意的"。他_披露,"很多腐败问题都是通过子女、通过亲属反映出来的。私募基金从经营本身来讲是一_种商业活动,这种商业活动由于它的垄断性和特殊性能够获取暴利,这个本身不能算是腐败_,但是这些太子党成员他们所经营的私募基金等等类似的商业活动,是否渗透着父辈的权力_和背景,则是一个大大的问号。

尽管中共当局曾经规定官员的亲属子女不得经商,但是这项规定现在早已经被扔进废纸篓。_程晓农透露,有邓小平,陈云的子女做榜样,太子党经商自然层出不穷。

程晓农:"我们都知道陈云是在中共党内号称什么廉洁...但他的女儿早在八十年代就介_入商业活动,而且实际上涉嫌很多腐败行为,但是陈云...他整天在中纪委主任位置上天_天讲要廉洁,然后他去约束他的女儿不要从事商业活动,从来没有这样的事。"

目前中共高官普遍送子女到西方大学深造。过去十多年,他们当中很多人被西方公司和银行_聘用。但是今天,这些西方公司都在竞相投资那些太子党们创设的私募股权基金。程晓农指_出,西方投资公司和银行与太子党合作,从九十年代初开始,从最初的比较边缘化的干部子_弟,


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As much as I disagree with chinese communist party, there seem to be a wind of change blowing in PRC. For eg, Premier Wen praised Hu Yaobang for his democratic efforts in the CCP. Premier Wen also called for greater political reforms during the Shenzhen anniversary celebration this year.

you are wrong then.I dont deny there are some really good officials in the communist gang.but, they are the small group and they are controlled by the big group.
there are the hidden group in the communist system which we dont know too.
this hidden group are the most dangerous group becos we dont know who they are and they are hidden behind to make important decision.

well, communist gov know that more and more people wanted reform, and so they will tried all means to say good words on democratic stuff.
They wont really reform .... as these corrupted communist officials wont want to give up their power so easily.power and money corrupted their brain already!!!
 
The bloody cb corrupted communist officials!!! I promise i going to give them a hard time!!! :oIo: :oIo: :oIo:

女兵陈啸离奇死亡 曝军队腐败黑幕之二

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PRC has said, reiterated, they will invade Taiwan if ROC declares itself ROT (Republic Of Taiwan), regardless of what fuck navy or nukes USA have around Taiwan. USA has said, will not support a declaration of independence of Taiwan. They'd only protect Taiwan as ROC. So, that's the stalemate.
 
As much as I disagree with chinese communist party, there seem to be a wind of change blowing in PRC. For eg, Premier Wen praised Hu Yaobang for his democratic efforts in the CCP. Premier Wen also called for greater political reforms during the Shenzhen anniversary celebration this year.

Rhetoric < Action
 
PRC has said, reiterated, they will invade Taiwan if ROC declares itself ROT (Republic Of Taiwan), regardless of what fuck navy or nukes USA have around Taiwan. USA has said, will not support a declaration of independence of Taiwan. They'd only protect Taiwan as ROC. So, that's the stalemate.

Can relax lah. 小马哥 is pro-Beijing. As long as the CCP propaganda department keeps on churning "Chinese century" hype, the Taiwanese people will eventually be enticed and they will relent.
 
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