What SO GOOD About Workers Party???

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Nah, we can do better ...PAP will lose power. The ground is ripe for change. WP needs to cash in now, stop trying to be PAP-lite. They need a unique platform that is true to their cause. Sinkees are sick of the tall tales and bs from the PAP. So, if the WP presents a PAP-lite platform, they deserve to be sidelined.

No party can as yet replace the PAP. What we should aim for is to remove 2/3 majority as per zhihau. Let the opposition have time to develop itself first. Don't forget just 10 years ago WP contests but 2 seats.

 

[ILovePAP]

No party can as yet replace the PAP. What we should aim for is to remove 2/3 majority as per zhihau. Let the opposition have time to develop itself first. Don't forget just 10 years ago WP contests but 2 seats.

It is also in my interest that an opposition party like WP develop into a capable party with the talent and ability to be the government. When it reaches that day, perhaps my political allegiance will shift. But in the meantime, it is still with the PAP.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

It's quite funny to accuse someone of making predictions on one hand and then you also make a prediction yourself.

Nobility and humility in politicians will only be found with proper checks and balance. Just like a strong WP keeps the PAP government in check, WP government will be checked by a PAP opposition.

Spot on, bro.

 

[GoldenDragon]

No party can as yet replace the PAP. What we should aim for is to remove 2/3 majority as per zhihau. Let the opposition have time to develop itself first. Don't forget just 10 years ago WP contests but 2 seats.

Yes. Step by step. Slowly but surely. Foot in the door already. HG and PE success will entice the right and wrong people to WP. I think progress is being made. Great leap forward was Aljunied GRC. The MIW is also tolonging the WP with all their errors. I am quietly optimistic.

But removing 2/3 majority not likely to be achieved in 2016. Maybe the one after that.

 

[GoldenDragon]

It is also in my interest that an opposition party like WP develop into a capable party with the talent and ability to be the government. When it reaches that day, perhaps my political allegiance will shift. But in the meantime, it is still with the PAP.

PAP or WP doesn't matter if their politicians' first priority is to really serve the people. If self before others, gone case.

 

[jw5]

Yes. Step by step. Slowly but surely. Foot in the door already. HG and PE success will entice the right and wrong people to WP. I think progress is being made. Great leap forward was Aljunied GRC. The MIW is also tolonging the WP with all their errors. I am quietly optimistic.

But removing 2/3 majority not likely to be achieved in 2016. Maybe the one after that.

Great leap forward was Aljunied GRC? Trying to put on a show for the forum again?

But according to you, self proclaimed former ISD officer forummer Golden Dragon, LTK is a pap mole.
How can you refer to that as a great leap forward? Shouldn't it be a cunning manipulation instead?

It all points to you, self proclaimed former ISD officer forummer Golden Dragon, being the pap mole.
Because you know that if all else fails, the bogus claim that opposition members are pap moles may just swing the votes pap's way.

I recall you saying "sad isn't it? the major opposition leaders are pap moles."
Well, they are not, and what's sad is that you are the pap mole trying to cultivate ordinary folk in a topical online forum.

 

[HK14K]

As I said before, the 2 million FTs in Singapore all superman la, don't need to sleep and don't need to eat and teleport to work one right? There are indeed many reasons why property and car are so expensive and are being taxed so heavily, a major factor is government planning failure, never plan for the 2 million people they bring in, and the existing infrastructure is being strained, so what they do is use the stick approach, which happens to allow them to earn lots of $$$. Property ABSD, goes to Ah gong, Property, SSD, goes to Ah gong, Car COE, goes to Ah gong, Car ERP, goes to Ah gong, CPF, goes to Ah Gong, the list goes on and on and on. Looking at all this, can you tell me there is no incentive at all for Ah Gong to mantain the skyhigh prices?

So can you blame people for blaming the government?

May i ask in which country, taxes , Car tax, Road pricing etc, etc doesn't goes to the govt??? Name me one of your favorite country that are so generous that all this taxes and pricing doesn't goes to the govt....

 

[HK14K]

look at my blue part. should be clear enough.

Fair enough... Let's not dwell on a confusing sentence.

I take your sentence and word for it. But may i ask you what did Chen Shui-bian did to Taiwan when he ended a 50 years ruling of the KMT for Taiwan???

Chen Shui-bian and his Democratic Progressive Party was put to try but during 8 years of his tenure, he embezzled, corrupted and launder all in US$15 millions dollars.

Is this the "TRY" that you're talking about???

 

[HK14K]

To sum it up what is good about WP....
WP got heart and passion....something lacking in the 80 (sans lily neo) vile greedy miws....
With these 2 qualities...many things can be achieved.

Who can be sure WP is not the next Taiwan Democratic Progressive Party.

Who can be sure Low Thia Kiang is not the next Chen Shui-bian.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Yes. Step by step. Slowly but surely. Foot in the door already. HG and PE success will entice the right and wrong people to WP. I think progress is being made. Great leap forward was Aljunied GRC. The MIW is also tolonging the WP with all their errors. I am quietly optimistic.

But removing 2/3 majority not likely to be achieved in 2016. Maybe the one after that.

It is my wish that one other opposition party can also grow to be a significant player alongside WP. But without proportionate representation, there may not be space for 3 main players. Next few years will be very interesting.

Hope WP can win at least one more GRC/SMC and Nicole/Jeanette team can form a new party to expand into the west/central region. Then it will be fireworks!

 

[HK14K]

1) There is a difference between serving the people and paying yourself millions to serve the people. I think most of us here are in agreement which kind of person LTK is, he has a track record, serving since 1990s and so far, we only heard of good things.

2) Yes, fully agree, that's why we need opposition to take power and open the books. 7-8 People in parliament is not gonna help much.

3) Ahem, and guess who has been pushing for paper talent all this while? I'm pretty sure it's not WP.

4) PM Lee Hsien Loong is a good businessman, earning the Singapore government billions in revenue.

5) If one person says the government fucked up, then the problem lies with the person. If many people say the government fucked up, then the problem lies with the government. Go figure.

6) So is you read wrongly or I read wrongly huh? Have you read what Sideswipe has to say?

1. Maybe LTK is really a SUPER good person which i dun know him, i dun comment. Why i quoted the Wanton Noodle stall example i doubt you understand the meaning. It's link to what you say LTK is a good person.

2. Again, I've to repeat myself once more. I'm not against changing of a govt but as a developed nation where SG are right now, we cannot have a total green bird to take over. I wouldn't mind if there's a govt split-up and a new party is formed up with the experience and new politicians.

3. If WPs have been the ruling govt for the past 50 years, i believe they too will push for paper talent. This is typical Singaporean thinking and nothing to do with party.

4. LHL was never a biz man but i understand your sarcaism.

5. Great, i agree with you on point 5. So what does it mean when during GE, majority of the Singaporeans are still voting for the PAP??? Is not one person but at least 6 out of 10 vote for them... So does this statistic seem to contradict your own words?

6. Lastly, I already reply to Sideswipe before this post... You can go and read it.

 

[HK14K]

It does not take a paper qualification for one to be an entrepreneur in Sinkieland.
There are many FT Tiongs and Nehs doing well in SG without qualification too.

I've said... No govt can satisfy the whole nation ppl.

Like i've said, I'm not against a change of govt but not a whole part of inexperience politicians. Unless the current govt split up, if not i dun see a major set-back for the current govt.

 

[HK14K]

PA and NTUC is a very touchy issue, I fully expect PAP to fight tooth and nail for it, considering they already have all their people in control of both organisations. Sure WP can create their own organisation, but both PA and NTUC have already an extensive network embedded into Singapore already, it will be a challenge to take them on.

Your comments are without basis. Guarantee 100% + chop, pui chao nua, only LTK and the WP CEC can guarantee that. I really don't think someone living in HK for 13 years, out of touch with the ground, would know any better. btw. US president only USD400k per annum, can we call that market rate? Or is USA too small a country for you. Singapore has the highest paid president, prime minister and ministers in the world by far.

People tell you A and B in 2000 and 2008 respectively. Even a primary school kid can tell you which is which. Nuff said, I won't bother explaining to you further, as clearly you are plain daft and making a fool of yourself.

This will be my last post, I will leave it to my fellow forummers to enlighten you, but judging from your hardline stance, it will be difficult for one as delusional as you.

If you're not a fool, you wouldn't be claiming that the US president only draws USD $400k per annum. Go n check it out the total package of a US president. USD 400k per annum is a fix excluding all other bonuses and incentives.

Just like the Chief Executive of HK. So-called to earn only HKD 1mil but what about his bonuses and incentives and etc.

Sorry, enlighten comes with constructive comments and ideals. By just pin pointing all the negatives and without thinking about the positives, that doesn't is enlightment. Thank you.

If you're not delusional, you wouldn't want SG to follow Taiwan footsteps to allow a new party to take over a nation and allow the leader to con away US$15 millions dollars.

Have you ask yourself such a "smart" person, why are you living in a country that other praise. Please, hatred has delusionized yourself.

 

[zhihau]

removing 2/3 majority not likely to be achieved in 2016.

do you think LKY can tahan another 3 years?

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

do you think LKY can tahan another 3 years?

He is irrelevant already.

 

[zhihau]

He is irrelevant already.

contrary to that, me know of folks whom who stop voting for the MIW once the old fox is dead.
many whom are grateful for what the pioneers of MIW (sic: LKY) had done for them, very much at the same time harboring much disdain for the current bunch of nincompoops

 

[HK14K]

I think you sound quite incoherent here. You said LTK will take high salary, then said he will take market remuneration. If it is market remuneration then it is not high. The market remuneration for ministers is definitely not the market remuneration for CEOs, otherwise it will of course be high.

I am not sure if LTK is willing to accept $10,000 because that is not even MP salary. But I am sure he will not take $200,000 a month like LHL.



How did I contradict myself? I didn't say the check has to be at cabinet level. You did. The check is in parliament.



By the standards of bankrupting a conglomerate of his father in 4 years, Tung Chee Hwa will not be considered a good businessman, so I am puzzled why you said he is good. I note that out of 4 examples I raise, you only took issue with one. By the way, many successful army chiefs such as Wiranto and Mussharaf did not make good politicians, so why has PAP brought in so many.

1. I'm replying to post that mentioned WP is cheap in salary. What is cheap??? For example, LHL drawing 200k a month and LTK is willing to draw only 20k a month if he's PM which i doubt so. Like another forummer has mentioned, WP has ask for ministerial salary to be lowered but ask for higher salary for MPs. So ask yourself.

2. If the parliament can do the check, it has been done in the 90s. I remember your issues was raised by Chee Soo Juan as well if i'm not wrong. So without any own members in the cabinet, how to check?? Ain't your statement contradicting when such actions have not been done in the parliament before even when questions are being raised by the govt.

3. If you open your eyes to read my sentence, i didn't say Tung Chee Wah was a "GOOD" busineesman. I only say he's a businessman.

4. Lastly, surface any of your question that are not answered by me and i'll be more than delighted to answer you. Thank you

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

contrary to that, me know of folks whom who stop voting for the MIW once the old fox is dead.
many whom are grateful for what the pioneers of MIW (sic: LKY) had done for them, very much at the same time harboring much disdain for the current bunch of nincompoops

If that is true, it will be great! People need to be convinced political change is not something to be afraid of! People need to get out of their comfort zones and start creating a better political system.

 

[kopiuncle]

Great leap forward was Aljunied GRC? Trying to put on a show for the forum again?

But according to you, self proclaimed former ISD officer forummer Golden Dragon, LTK is a pap mole.
How can you refer to that as a great leap forward? Shouldn't it be a cunning manipulation instead?

It all points to you, self proclaimed former ISD officer forummer Golden Dragon, being the pap mole.
Because you know that if all else fails, the bogus claim that opposition members are pap moles may just swing the votes pap's way.

I recall you saying "sad isn't it? the major opposition leaders are pap moles."
Well, they are not, and what's sad is that you are the pap mole trying to cultivate ordinary folk in a topical online forum.

can you just stick to the points of discussion instead of bringing personal things into this thread....

 

[kopiuncle]

Who can be sure WP is not the next Taiwan Democratic Progressive Party.

Who can be sure Low Thia Kiang is not the next Chen Shui-bian.

spot on!!! the initial euphoria turned to dust when the truth was uncovered.....