Three or more corner-fight at Ponggol SMC will split Oppo votes !

[Tiu-leh-see-fart]

Workers Party winning this SMC will signal a new era to come.

A win by WP is a win for many singaporeans, and all Oppo parties at large.

we strongly suggest to all Oppo members not to destroy this democratic process at this SMC.

Let the Workers Party alone to contest at Ponggol SMC.

JB son and Pwee and others should understand that PAP is the common foe and not among yourselves.

WP can afford to lose but will come back stronger in 2016. If you try to do the dirty heroing the many corner-fight, you lose your deposit and you lose your face next GE , and you only help PAP to win.

Please carry this message to any tom dick harry , dont do the ugly job at this SMC, a win by WP will see more PAP seats to fall.

Last PE is a lesson learnt, if Cheng Bock is the president now, Istana would be a very special place now.

cheers

 

[SgParent]

JB son and Pwee and others should understand that PAP is the common foe and not among yourselves.

It's a case between ego and self awareness. And as I've mentioned it many times already, the latter is a trait very rarely found among politicians.

WP can afford to lose but will come back stronger in 2016. If you try to do the dirty heroing the many corner-fight, you lose your deposit and you lose your face next GE , and you only help PAP to win.

Actually that may well be the worst case scenario that WP is preparing for. Lose and nothing's changed. Just that true pink Singaporeans and their children need to waste a few more years for the next window to vote for more competition that always, always benefits the consumers. And when that window comes, a lot of things could and would have changed.

But yah, the plus point is, by then we will see less politicians who lack self awareness. Unless of course they suddenly found some hidden/secret fund to pay off the deposit. Although I doubt they will somehow find some hidden/secret "face".

 

[TracyTan866]

Yes, let all native Singaporeans celebrate an Opposition victory at Punggol East By-Election.

Let's all give the PAP a black eye at the next BE

 

[tanwahp]

There's a lot more at stake for WP than just winning Punggol East. It is only one seat. The PAP can have it until 2016.

But the implications in total will ultimately favour WP more if there is a multicorner fight.

Even better if PAP wins with less than 50% of the votes in a 3CF or 4CF.

I am in favour of a multicorner fight.

 

[fivestars]

Too many political party in Singapore. The real ground was only PAP and WP. PAP had converted other small party (MIC, MCA, UMNO and so on) become a strong party.

The WP leader still sleep. They never try to alliance with other small party to make them strong. The WP had to make sometime different from PAP. The small parties shall had their own voice and activities but when come to election small parties shall provide good quality candidate to contest in election. The number of candidate from small parties shall come to an agreement point before contest. If not, WP party will facing more cornered fight in Election.

In the 2011 general elections, this ward was the only ward to have a 3 cornered fight, not seen since the 2001 general elections in the then Bukit Timah SMC. Desmond Lim of the Singapore Democratic Alliance secured a mere 4.45% of the votes in Punggol East SMC, against PAP's Michael Palmer and [[Singapore Democratic Alliance's Desmond Lim, which is the lowest percentage of votes a candidate has gotten in the 2011 election. As a result, he was the only candidate in that particular election to have his election deposit forfeited.

 

[wwabbit]

Agree with tanwahp. If the other parties want to join in, then bring it on (together with your $16k). It will only give WP more legitimacy as the leading opposition party when the other parties get less than 3% of the votes.

 

[tanwahp]

Agree with tanwahp. If the other parties want to join in, then bring it on (together with your $16k). It will only give WP more legitimacy as the leading opposition party when the other parties get less than 3% of the votes.

The factors from the Palmer saga are overall in favour of WP no matter how one looks at it even if they do not win.

The vacated ward happens to be last contested by WP. I wonder how WP can react if it was Mountbatten or Hong Kah North. They can be painted as not giving people a choice if they do not contest but accused of edging out smaller parties if they do. In this case it is clear cut and the rest will be seen as spoilers.

When a secretary general of a party who is still surprising well supported and a well known opposition scholar act as spoilers or even lose their deposits, WP gets more legitimacy.

Out of WP, only a few candidates were taken note of by the public. Vincent W, Nicole Seah, Ben Pwee, Michelle Lee, Jimmy Lee, Tan Jee Say, Ang Yong Guan. After some time NS is showing up as an average girl with a pretty face, ML crossed over to WP, TJS lost most of his credibility and the rest vanished. VW's apology to Vasoo reinforces the SDP as a party that does not think when they talk. If BP contests as an independent, he will be seen as a PAP spoiler. Then the perception that very few credible opposition talents exist outside WP will only favour WP in the long run.

Those who spoke for NSP vis-a-vis their brushes with WP on MK and Tampines are now encouraging more parties to run in Punggol. Ditto for those who supported SDP's opposition unity idea. It does reveal a lot of things that I for one will take note of when it comes to judging the opposition.

 

[godiva]

Be wary of people egging others to take part in 3 or more corner fights but staying clear themselves, eg GMS.

 

[giggity_shit]

Workers Party winning this SMC will signal a new era to come.

A win by WP is a win for many singaporeans, and all Oppo parties at large.

we strongly suggest to all Oppo members not to destroy this democratic process at this SMC.

Let the Workers Party alone to contest at Ponggol SMC.

JB son and Pwee and others should understand that PAP is the common foe and not among yourselves.

WP can afford to lose but will come back stronger in 2016. If you try to do the dirty heroing the many corner-fight, you lose your deposit and you lose your face next GE , and you only help PAP to win.

Please carry this message to any tom dick harry , dont do the ugly job at this SMC, a win by WP will see more PAP seats to fall.

Last PE is a lesson learnt, if Cheng Bock is the president now, Istana would be a very special place now.

cheers

I don't think WP got any good candidates left. And whats the point of 1 more WP candidate when the power houses of WP are already in parliament? For variety, WP should step aside.

 

[giggity_shit]

Be wary of people egging others to take part in 3 or more corner fights but staying clear themselves, eg GMS.

To be fair, what GMS said makes sense. Let punggol east smc vote in the most capable candidate and not any tom dick and harry wp person

 

[tanwahp]

I don't think WP got any good candidates left. And whats the point of 1 more WP candidate when the power houses of WP are already in parliament? For variety, WP should step aside.

There are hardly any good opposition candidates outside WP. VW and Ben Pwee were the only two left. One apologized for idiotic reasons, the other wants to contest as independent instead of finding a good party.

If WP gives up the place, in GE2016 they will be accused of creating 3CF if they want to return.

 

[giggity_shit]

There are hardly any good opposition candidates outside WP. VW and Ben Pwee were the only two left. One apologized for idiotic reasons, the other wants to contest as independent instead of finding a good party.

If WP gives up the place, in GE2016 they will be accused of creating 3CF if they want to return.

There still is KJ and Alex Tan ..... haha kidding on the last one

 

[tanwahp]

There still is KJ and Alex Tan ..... haha kidding on the last one

That's why I am surprise by the support KJ gets. Among opposition leaders he spends the most amount of time fighting the opposition instead of PAP and 90% of his party rejected him as a viable opposition by resigning.

For certain reasons RP outgrew WP when he first took over. You know the party with members in hundreds turning up is either RP or WP. When all parties are invited to functions, WP and RP members have the largest numbers among audience.

I was rooting for him over Ng Teck Siong. Turned out that his EQ was even lower than NTS.

Before the GE his party turned from bigger than WP to smaller than SPP.

 

[tualingong]

too many indian chiefs in sg opposition ranks.

bo leow ones also wants to be leaders.

that is why there is no united oppositions party.

 

[hairylee]

If it is a three corner fight Sinkies should let it be known that it is between WP and pap.
Other opposition greedy enough to interfere should be sent into political oblivion.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Yes, let all native Singaporeans celebrate an Opposition victory at Punggol East By-Election.

Let's all give the PAP a black eye at the next BE

You are kind. Just black eye enough for you.

I say BLIND THOSE BASTARDS!

 

[TracyTan866]

You are kind. Just black eye enough for you.

I say BLIND THOSE BASTARDS!

wow....but i can go along with that too...

 

[3_M]

I for one support a free-for-all contest. Political parties should based their decisions whether to contest based on tactical ground rather than chope-ing rules. People who don't support 3CF should ask themselves if not for the fact that there was a 3CF in Ponggol during the GE11, the person who will take on PAP during this BE will most likely be Desmond Lim based on chope-ing rule. Not the most ideal candidate.

3CF allows the stronger opposition party to progress. Why should we want weaker parties to survive at the expense of better opposition? We are not doing ourselves any justices.

 

[fivestars]

SINGAPORE: The National Solidarity Party (NSP) has said it appreciates the open and responsible way that the PAP has handled the discovery of the extra-marital affairs of former Speaker of Parliament Michael Palmer.

In a media statement, NSP's Secretary-General Hazel Poa said "regardless of his or her position, each person should be responsible and accountable for his/her actions." And "this is a principle we must uphold."

Ms Poa said the NSP noted with concern the rise in the number of high-profile cases of marital infidelities, and "urged the MCYS to study if these are signs of a rising social problem, and if so, the underlying causes."

She said the impact of a social breakdown to a person's quality of life can never be compensated by economic achievements.

On the possibility of a by-election at Punggol East, Ms Poa said the NSP has decided not to create a multi-cornered fight by contesting, "in the interest of furthering the opposition cause".

The Workers' Party contested in the Punggol East single-member constituency (SMC) at the last election and has indicated its desire to do so again in the event of a by-election.

- CNA/de

 

[wpwhistleblower]

Eh Melvin Tan Kian Hwee, you tok liek you so big and cleber. If you so big one wyh you no use Perspective and change name to tanwahp on june 2012. You gto still try hoot angela or not. Aiya angela see you no up., You so skinnyt, face no hansome, walet boh lui, do lousy job like saleman, ploperty agent, how to got chance hoot angela. only mouth vely big evelydya talkign lie you so expert politik but still orso canot get angela so can only like perry and Chee Wei and other wp poeple, try to tuch touch her liek liek tat orso song. Eh you beter use perspective and no change names and add yur own point okay. Eh, Goldem Dragon Sir got say this si true. You can open your big cleber politik muoth and can saying real one or njot.


"Questions have been raised within the PAP inner circle on the wisdom of appointing Low. Some felt that the carefully calibrated PAP treatment of and response towards Low was without its risk. To soften up Low for his envisaged role as a PAP insider, Lee had, in a parliamentary debate in November 1994, declared Low to be a "good MP" and "the only one worth listening to". However, a significant number within the PAP inner circle voiced their concerns that the signals intended for Low could well be misread. They feared it could result in more amongst the Singaporean intelligentsia stepping forward to challenge the PAP. This was a scenario that was unacceptable and anathema to the PAP. However, with the strongman's blessings of Low, they were powerless to do anything or to play political hardball with Low or to undermine him."

Out of WP, only a few candidates were taken note of by the public. Vincent W, Nicole Seah, Ben Pwee, Michelle Lee, Jimmy Lee, Tan Jee Say, Ang Yong Guan. After some time NS is showing up as an average girl with a pretty face, ML crossed over to WP, TJS lost most of his credibility and the rest vanished. VW's apology to Vasoo reinforces the SDP as a party that does not think when they talk. If BP contests as an independent, he will be seen as a PAP spoiler. Then the perception that very few credible opposition talents exist outside WP will only favour WP in the long run.

Those who spoke for NSP vis-a-vis their brushes with WP on MK and Tampines are now encouraging more parties to run in Punggol. Ditto for those who supported SDP's opposition unity idea. It does reveal a lot of things that I for one will take note of when it comes to judging the opposition.