Three or more corner-fight at Ponggol SMC will split Oppo votes !

[kukubird58]

Unless WP springs a surprise or gets a credible candidate, they should make way for a better candidate outside of WP. VW comes to mind. VW would make a serious contribution in Parliament. Lets face it we need a lot more fire in Parliament. .

hahaha....i agree.
you have exposed LTK as a liar and dishonest person so WP cannot be a credible party.
you have exposed so many blatant open abuses by papee/PA, yet WP did not follow-up with questions in parleement...
these are indefensible abuses and open goals for WP to score.....yet they did not take it up.
if i were u, i would be equally disappointed with WP for being so daft.

 

[fanta]

WP doesn't need to alliance the other smaller party, but just open its "door" and wave to all talent from other sides to join them should be good enough. Invite others to switch to them.

This is what you call arrogance. Let's see how long the WP's arrogance will last..

 

[Catbert]

But the implications in total will ultimately favour WP more if there is a multicorner fight.

Evil dictator continues to rein on Sinkies.

 

[watchman8]

Unless WP springs a surprise or gets a credible candidate, they should make way for a better candidate outside of WP. VW comes to mind. VW would make a serious contribution in Parliament. Lets face it we need a lot more fire in Parliament. Town council management is a Singapore PAP construct and that is not role of an MP. MP = Member of Parliament and not Member of Town Council, something that WP must understand.

Unfortunately even the opposition voters are looking at town council management as a key gauge of opposition party's capability. So long as WP put up a decent chap, the chance of winning is good.

VW will not get the Christian anti gay votes, and that itself is sufficient to lose the election. VW chance will come when pap is nearer to losing 2/3 majority. That will be the time where there will be sufficient votes to overcome the anti gay folks.

I think the pap is becoming complacent as they gradually realise that three corner fights will be the norm, and this will most likely happen in SMC wards. The strategy now is to allow to various opposition parties to strengthen so that PAP can continue with 2/3 majority even if it has less than 50% of votes, as what tony demonstrated.

 

[Fook Seng]

Perhaps Workers Party should step aside and let other opposition parties contest. For Workers Party to deny others in contesting is not democratic.

Denying WP the chance to compete especially when it has the best chance to do get something is democratic?

 

[fanta]

Denying WP the chance to compete especially when it has the best chance to do get something is democratic?

So it is ok to deny other opposition parties but not ok to deny WP? The RP, NSP, SDP, SPP all have equal chance, with the exception of Desmond Lim.

 

[ray_of_hope]

Opposition leaders dismiss Chiam's 'arrogant' claim
147th Prostitute Press
21 December 1992

Marine Parade GRC by-election : The day after ---------------------------------------------

OPPOSITION leaders have dismissed as mistaken and arrogant Mr Chiam See Tong's claim that voters in Saturday's by-election endorsed his Singapore Democratic Party as the second force in a two-party political system.

"Chiam can draw whatever conclusion he likes. It doesn't follow that he is right," said Workers' Party chief J.B. Jeyaretnam yesterday.
​

The Marine Parade BE was called to allow JBJ to contest since he alleged that the PAP held the 1991 GE whilst he was still under disqualification to prevent his contest.

Yet, on Nomination Day for the BE, JBJ chickened out.​

 

[ray_of_hope]

Unless WP springs a surprise or gets a credible candidate, they should make way for a better candidate outside of WP. VW comes to mind. VW would make a serious contribution in Parliament.

SDP is free to field VW at the BE. In the same way that the MSM is free to remind voters about the the issue of the "gay agenda" that arose in 2011.

Some candidates that stood in 2011 are considered "damaged goods". They will never get elected to Parliament.

 

[wwabbit]

So it is ok to deny other opposition parties but not ok to deny WP? The RP, NSP, SDP, SPP all have equal chance, with the exception of Desmond Lim.

Find me a statement from a WP commitee member saying that other opposition parties should not participate in this BE.
You'll find that most (thinking) WP supporters are not denying othe other parties from running also.

 

[ray_of_hope]

Find me a statement from a WP commitee member saying that other opposition parties should not participate in this BE.
You'll find that most (thinking) WP supporters are not denying othe other parties from running also.

What you say is true. From last year's GE WP has never prevented others from engaging in a multi-cornered fight.
However, some of the other parties have been very skittish and vocal about WP not allowing them a straight fight, as though they are entitled to a straight fight. Since when? Not only is this lame, but the attitude of some of these other oppositionists betrays the simple fact that they are so weak that in a multi-cornered fight they will poll in the single digits. That is the reality.

 

[fanta]

Find me a statement from a WP commitee member saying that other opposition parties should not participate in this BE.
You'll find that most (thinking) WP supporters are not denying othe other parties from running also.

The WP in alienating other opposition supporters will pay a price in the long run, people may just vote for the scums in white rather than scums in blue, at least the estate has upgrading priorities in voting for scums in white.

Here is your statement :-

Denying WP the chance to compete especially when it has the best chance to do get something is democratic?

Denying other opposition parties to contest in a democracy is truly undemocratic, that is what WP stands for.

 

[wwabbit]

1. Who is Fook Seng? This person is certainly not a WP representative.
2. Where does "Fook Seng" say that other parties cannot compete? All this person said is that WP has a right to compete.

Nobody is denying other parties the right to compete, it is just your imaginations.

 

[fanta]

1. Who is Fook Seng? This person is certainly not a WP representative.
2. Where does "Fook Seng" say that other parties cannot compete? All this person said is that WP has a right to compete.

Nobody is denying other parties the right to compete, it is just your imaginations.

Why don't you tell me who is Fook Seng? My guess is he is a nobody.

Good, if nobody is denying other parties the right to compete, then we all should welcome Kenneth Jeyaretnam to Punggol East, don't you think?

Maybe we should invite NSP, SDP and SPP to come contest in Punggol East too

 

[ray_of_hope]

There should indeed be a contest of ALL oppo parties in Punggol East so that once and for all everybody can see the true strength of each party in relative terms. WP would certainly be there on Nomination Day but a few others are likely to chicken out because they want to keep to the charade that they have support when in fact the lay of the land shows that their support in a multi-cornered fight is mostly in the single digits.

 

[scroobal]

In 1981, for the Anson By-election, 3 well known opposition identities decided to contest it. They all knew they are free to contest. On the eve of nomination, 2 of them had a discussion and one withdrew. That left 2, both of whom filed their nomination papers. JBJ won and Harbans Singh the other remaining opposition candidate only got 131 votes.

Chiam who withdrew eventually got his time in the sun and had a 2 decade illustrious career in parliament and did what he could.

The issue is never about the right to contest. Every Singaporean who is a not bankrupt can contest. The issue is are you a responsible individual. Can you work with others. Do you know your strengths and weaknesses. Harbans Singh was an clown.

 

[GoldenDragon]

bro,
Desmond must be loaded, he's a millionaire?

He is 'state-funded'.

 

[mojito]

In 1981, for the Anson By-election, 3 well known opposition identities decided to contest it. They all knew they are free to contest. On the eve of nomination, 2 of them had a discussion and one withdrew. That left 2, both of whom filed their nomination papers. JBJ won and Harbans Singh the other remaining opposition candidate only got 131 votes.

Chiam who withdrew eventually got his time in the sun and had a 2 decade illustrious career in parliament and did what he could.

All the more likely Desmond Lim will withdraw before nomination. He's probably trying to do a Chiam so that he can chope an SMC in GE2016.

 

[wwabbit]

Everyone is welcomed to compete at Punggol East as long as they can accept the consequences of their actions.

Desmond Lim has already been rejected by the Punggol East voters, certainly it is within his rights to try again thinking that the voters will change their minds and give him another chance, but I really wonder if anyone would vote for such a dumbfuck who just can't get the message that maybe the voters are just not into you.

 

[ray_of_hope]

All the more likely Desmond Lim will withdraw before nomination. He's probably trying to do a Chiam so that he can chope an SMC in GE2016.

You are crediting DL for a modicum of intelligence.
I would be happy if that modicum does exist.

 

[griffin]

Would the PAP have instructed Palmer to quit without assessing the consequences?
We know the PAP has a formidable machinery to report ground conditions. Hence, a detailed paper on the pros and cons of retaining or expelling Palmer would have been put up. This means that the PAP has a ready candidate. The "mulling over" story is a red-herring to cause further disunity among the opposition. There will be a BE and PAP will retain Ponggol with the assistance of a disjointed opposition!