"Stop Abuse of NSFs" - Possible HLP Protest Topic?

[TracyTan866]

lianbeng says it is abusive to say SAF does things very slow. there's no war so why must hurry? besides, so many people to report to: recruit reporting to cpl > cpl to sgt > sgt to ssg > ssg to encik > etc...

no war doesnt mean that the SAF can slowly do things and be inefficient.

do you think the SAF is the best it can be? or is there room for SAF to improve?

 

[TracyTan866]

lianbeng says it is abusive to say SAF does things very slow. there's no war so why must hurry? besides, so many people to report to: recruit reporting to cpl > cpl to sgt > sgt to ssg > ssg to encik > etc...

it doesnt matter how many people one has to report to. the point is the process must be fine tuned and be efficient

 

[TracyTan866]

lianbeng says it is abusive to say SAF does things very slow.

do you think the saf does things fast?

 

[sleaguepunter]

another abuse of NSmen by the SAF because they are almost free labour?

such inefficient reservist training programme must be corrected.

NSmen, when called up for reservist, must be gainfully used..

SAF and Mindef, stop the abuse!!

go auntie tan go. just take a crate to stand on the HLP field. no need gilbert lah, he only interested in FWs. u go gather your tai tai friends,mobilise thru facebook. there will be crowds of thousands, ten of thousands... all the NSmen will be grateful to u.

 

[TracyTan866]

go auntie tan go. just take a crate to stand on the HLP field. no need gilbert lah, he only interested in FWs. u go gather your tai tai friends,mobilise thru facebook. there will be crowds of thousands, ten of thousands... all the NSmen will be grateful to u.

will u be surprised if someone besides me agrees to hold a HLP protest on this?

 

[lianbeng]

it doesnt matter how many people one has to report to. the point is the process must be fine tuned and be efficient

lianbeng replies to tracytan: during field deployment, the advance party goes to recce a nice environment to deploy before the main body arrives. make sure got nice scenery n toilet facilities. the best is got some tze char stalls nearby for night topo! super efficient!

 

[TracyTan866]

go auntie tan go. just take a crate to stand on the HLP field. no need gilbert lah, he only interested in FWs. u go gather your tai tai friends,mobilise thru facebook. there will be crowds of thousands, ten of thousands... all the NSmen will be grateful to u.

Let's see whether NEH still dares to use NSFs to man OBS' F1 work stations.

If OBS has to employ commercial storemen and security guards for the next F1 races, then we have moved forward a little

 

[TracyTan866]

lianbeng replies to tracytan: during field deployment, the advance party goes to recce a nice environment to deploy before the main body arrives. make sure got nice scenery n toilet facilities. the best is got some tze char stalls nearby for night topo! super efficient!

looks like you enjoyed ur SAF days...that's great!

I hv also heard stories of SAF personnel having a great time with Taiwanese gals during their training in Taiwan. That sounds better than tze char stalls

 

[lianbeng]

looks like you enjoyed ur SAF days...that's great!

I hv also heard stories of SAF personnel having a great time with Taiwanese gals during their training in Taiwan. That sounds better than tze char stalls

lianbeng says u miss lots of fun in SAF lah! that's why u must do NS like guys! to me makan is more important than charbor mah.

 

[TracyTan866]

lianbeng says u miss lots of fun in SAF lah! that's why u must do NS like guys!

i agree gals shd do NS..but will gals be sent to Taiwan like you guys?

 

[prancku]

If more Singaporeans are like you and me and are willing to challenge and speak up against the pap when they abuse their authority, such blatant abuses against Singaporeans will definitely lessen.

That will make for a better Singapore.

We must not let the pap think that it can do what it wants and still get away with abuses

My comments are my views on NS men and their plights.

The Review Commitee was obviously set up because of feedback received that there is a ground swell of disquiet about serving NS and the disadvantages faced by NSmen when they go on reservist duties. There are more and more NSmen who question why we need to serve NS at the expense of their own careers and well beings. Why defend Singapore???

We do know that whenever the SAF 100s for ICTs are received, the first thoughts that come to mind will be - can we disrupt, postpone or cancel this ICT as we are too busy at work?.

You think we don't want to take some respite from the hum drum of work or go get some relak relak? The answer of course is not - because, when we are away for two or three weeks, we never know whether upon our return, our projects or programmes are still there for us. We do not even know whether our jobs would be taken on by someone else, who did not go serve reservist in the meantime. There is this real fear of loss...of being disadvantaged or being taken advantaged of. I do know that some idiotic Japs even have the cheek to rate their subordinates lower in performance...because they were away on reservist training overseas for one month!!!

If the Committee Review is serious about looking into NS issues, it should seriously take these feedback into consideration. At the end of the day, we do not want to just see some drivel being sprewed out by the Committee about committment, service to nation, sacrifice, etc. What are expected to be seen will be solid actions being undertaken, words being spoken by the powers that be that employers bloody well don't use NS reservist as an excuse to disadvantage the careers of NSmen. If necessary, even put in some laws or at least some regulations that NSmen should not be discriminated against in their jobs and career.

What ways to ensure that NSmen are not disadvantaged or taken advantaged of? Well, that is the job of the Committee!!!

 

[lianbeng]

i agree gals shd do NS..but will gals be sent to Taiwan like you guys?

lianbeng fully supports u to be sent to ROC or brunei jungle for training!

 

[TracyTan866]

My comments are my views on NS men and their plights.

The Review Commitee was obviously set up because of feedback received that there is a ground swell of disquiet about serving NS and the disadvantages faced by NSmen when they go on reservist duties. There are more and more NSmen who question why we need to serve NS at the expense of their own careers and well beings. Why defend Singapore???

We do know that whenever the SAF 100s for ICTs are received, the first thoughts that come to mind will be - can we disrupt, postpone or cancel this ICT as we are too busy at work?.

You think we don't want to take some respite from the hum drum of work or go get some relak relak? The answer of course is not - because, when we are away for two or three weeks, we never know whether upon our return, our projects or programmes are still there for us. We do not even know whether our jobs would be taken on by someone else, who did not go serve reservist in the meantime. There is this real fear of loss...of being disadvantaged or being taken advantaged of. I do know that some idiotic Japs even have the cheek to rate their subordinates lower in performance...because they were away on reservist training overseas for one month!!!

If the Committee Review is serious about looking into NS issues, it should seriously take these feedback into consideration. At the end of the day, we do not want to just see some drivel being sprewed out by the Committee about committment, service to nation, sacrifice, etc. What are expected to be seen will be solid actions being undertaken, words being spoken by the powers that be that employers bloody well don't use NS reservist as an excuse to disadvantage the careers of NSmen. If necessary, even put in some laws or at least some regulations that NSmen should not be discriminated against in their jobs and career.

What ways to ensure that NSmen are not disadvantaged or taken advantaged of? Well, that is the job of the Committee!!!

good points..indeed what we want to see is that NSMen and NSFs are not disadvantaged nor discriminated.

we also want the pap to be aware that SG guys have been abused by the SAF and tasked to do non SAF related duties...we must stop such nonsense

 

[TracyTan866]

lianbeng fully supports u to be sent to ROC or brunei jungle for training!

hahaha..why do u wish that i go to ROC or Brunei?

 

[prancku]

hahaha..why do u wish that i go to ROC or Brunei?

Fun mah...can go and catch some snake... and boil snake soup and drink snake blood!!!

Wonderful for libido...for all kinds!!! HA HA.

PS - sorry beng, don't mean to hijack you, but chance just too good to miss.

 

[TracyTan866]

Fun mah...can go and catch some snake... and boil snake soup and drink snake blood!!!

Wonderful for libido...for all kinds!!! HA HA.

PS - sorry beng, don't mean to hijack you, but chance just too good to miss.

sounds fun indeed, especially for those who like outdoors!

but that's not what my brother told me...SAF is more than just having fun. otherwise the pap doesnt need to make NS compulsory and foreigners/PR dont hv to try and evade NS.

so what's the whole truth?

 

[Leongsam]

I have to say I really feel for the plight of NS men. They are forced into defending a country they no longer own by a government they no longer respect. They are then penalised by employees for having to fulfill obligations that foreigners laugh at and ridicule.

They are then cast aside to waste away when the system no longer has any use for them to die miserable deaths in dingy old folks homes and hospices that the government refuses to fund.

It's really sad. I hope an uprising can put a stop to this tyranny as soon as possible.

 

[prancku]

sounds fun indeed, especially for those who like outdoors!

but that's not what my brother told me...SAF is more than just having fun. otherwise the pap doesnt need to make NS compulsory and foreigners/PR dont hv to try and evade NS.

so what's the whole truth?

The whole truth (of course, only according to me) is that it can be fun if you have the right attitude and the right physique. NS will not be a problem.

The problem will arise when:

a You don't like to be shouted at and ordered around day in and day out;
b In the first three months, you got to unlearn what you learnt in the last 18 years and have your personality squashed and remoulded into an obedient zombie;
c You are not able to do the chin ups, run shuttle in less than 10 seconds, jump more than 2 meters from a standing position and for most importantly, if you cannot carry your own body for a distance of 2.4 km in 13 (??? sorry, forgot what) minutes;
d you object to being woken up at 5am and wait for the next two hours for the 3 tonner to bring you to range, because the OC said he wanted to hear the first shots out at 7.30 am.
e you are not able to clear the low wall or run up and down the Jacob's ladder because you are afraid of heights,

etc, etc.

Those trash that evade the NS? - not because they are cowards, physically unfit or otherwise. The real truth is that they are now allowed to evade NS when previously, regulations and $50,000 financial deposits from their parents prevented them from evading NS. Now they know they can get the benefits of supposedly first class education, some even expensive scholarships, then at the age close to 18 + /-, beat beat their bun tards (??) and say good bye....I am off to Aussie, USA, Switzerland...

That is the whole truth (wo)man ...

 

[prancku]

I have to say I really feel for the plight of NS men. They are forced into defending a country they no longer own by a government they no longer respect. They are then penalised by employees for having to fulfill obligations that foreigners laugh at and ridicule.

They are then cast aside to waste away when the system no longer has any use for them to die miserable deaths in dingy old folks homes and hospices that the government refuses to fund.

It's really sad. I hope an uprising can put a stop to this tyranny as soon as possible.

Hmnnn....split personality?

...we can now safety conclude that more than one personality resides in sammy...

 

[TracyTan866]

I have to say I really feel for the plight of NS men. They are forced into defending a country they no longer own by a government they no longer respect. They are then penalised by employees for having to fulfill obligations that foreigners laugh at and ridicule.

They are then cast aside to waste away when the system no longer has any use for them to die miserable deaths in dingy old folks homes and hospices that the government refuses to fund.

It's really sad. I hope an uprising can put a stop to this tyranny as soon as possible.

no need for you to worry abt Singaporeans.

This is between us and the PAP. We will sort this mess out.