Siao liao. 837 cases liao. Going towards 1000

[mojito]

I tend to believe more in credible institutions with a track record.

Do you believe foreigners create good jobs for Singaporeans? Gst is to help the poor?

 

[porcaputtana]

On the contrary, the authorities in these countries do not have conflict of interests pandering to the demands of the big Pharma like Pfizer. They are only interested in tackling a problem and they use what is available within their means. Do not make the mistake of belittling these entities you consider “not advanced”. Many great people started from zero.

India tried cow piss to stem covid. I am sure if you talk nicely to the people at the zoo they will give you a bottle to try. No conflict of interest with big Pharma

 

[Leongsam]

No one knows and no one cares. It’s irrelevant.

The important clinical outcome is mortality . And there are lots of data that vaccinated do much much better when they get covid

my GP colleagues tell me those that vaccinated who test positive have very mild symptoms or totally asymptomatic. Hence the government is allowing home recovery.

when all this pandemic is done and dusted, perhaps there will be a CECA egghead clinician scientist in NUH who will do such a research on whether vaccinated drive more variants . It’s academic and mental masturbation . But it might get him a citizenship

It is not academic when it drives policy. If the unvaxxed are a potential breeding ground for even greater devastation then they should be dealt with even more harshly than they are now.

If they are not and they are also no more infectious than the vaxxed then there should not be any discrimination against them and they should be allowed to make a personal choice as to what goes into their bodies.

 

[porcaputtana]

It is not academic when it drives policy. If the unvaxxed are a potential breeding ground for even greater devastation then they should be dealt with even more harshly than they are now.

If they are not and they are also no more infectious than the vaxxed then there should not be any discrimination against them and they should be allowed to make a personal choice as to what goes into their bodies.

No large scale epidemiology studies yet. Mostly anecdotal .

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2021-09-05/the-unvaccinated-are-a-risk-to-all-of-us

https://www.healthline.com/health-n...ances-for-more-coronavirus-variants-heres-how

Either way the government will make life for the anti vaxxed so unbearable they will guai guai go line up and get the carcinogenic mRNA injected into them soon

 

[porcaputtana]

Just to add : our government can discriminate anyone they choose

gay people, own citizens and now RI boys. No need for scientific data.

so discriminating against the pro choice anti vaxx is a cake walk. I fully support that policy .

 

[dredd]

It is not academic when it drives policy. If the unvaxxed are a potential breeding ground for even greater devastation then they should be dealt with even more harshly than they are now.

If they are not and they are also no more infectious than the vaxxed then there should not be any discrimination against them and they should be allowed to make a personal choice as to what goes into their bodies.

Sam, you are missing the point. Vaccinations downgrade the disease so people don't get seriously ill and burden healthcare. Who says anti vaxxed cannot make personal choices? Last I heard, Sinkeepoo has no mandatory vaccination, although I am all for it.

Nobody is worried about catching COVID or not. The concern is whether we get seriously ill or die from it.

This news is making headlines now. Brazil has finally seen the light...

Brazil turns the tide with Covid-19 vaccines​

PUBLISHED : 17 SEP 2021 AT 02:45
WRITER: AFP

More than two-thirds of Brazilians have received at least one coronavirus vaccine dose
BRASíLIA - Despite a slow start plagued by much controversy that still haunts President Jair Bolsonaro, Brazil's coronavirus vaccination campaign is now one of the fastest-paced and farthest-reaching in the world.
While boasting a globally renowned vaccination system, the country of 213 million people only started coronavirus inoculations in January, several weeks after the United States, many European countries and others in South America.
The rollout was delayed by political bickering under a president who belittled the pandemic and spread vaccine falsehoods, then hamstrung by logistical difficulties in the vast country.

But the country with the world's second-highest Covid-19 death toll -- more than 588,000 fatalities reported to date -- has seen its coronavirus vaccination rate pick up and its death rate tumble as imported jabs started arriving and local production began.

In the past three months, the number of Brazilians with at least one jab has almost tripled to cover 67.6 percent of the population -- slightly higher than in the United States with 63.4 percent and Argentina with 63.8, according to an AFP count.
The figure for those fully vaccinated is much lower, at 36 percent -- but enough to put Brazil in third place among the world's ten most populous countries.
With vaccine supply uncertain at first, Brazil decided to focus on giving a first dose to as large a number of people as possible, and opted for a long interval between the first and second jab.

Logistical delivery problems have largely been ironed out through trial and error, and supply concerns are a thing of the past with Brazil now producing its own AstraZeneca and Sinovac jabs under license.

"The acceleration was seen from May-June, with the arrival and much more consistent supply of vaccines," Jose David Urbaez of the Society of Infectology told AFP.
As a result, from more than 2,000 daily deaths in June, there are now fewer than 600 per day.
Today, Brazil is the country with the fourth-most doses administered -- a total of 214 million -- after China, India and the United States.
It is administering the third-most doses daily -- some 1.5 million on average per day in the last week, and has started giving shots to teenagers and booster shots to vulnerable people.

One problem the country does not have is vaccine skepticism: More than 90 percent of Brazilians have told pollsters they want the jab.
Brazil's recent success came despite a chaotic pandemic outset under the leadership of Bolsonaro, who at its height minimized the virus as a "little flu," fought lockdowns, questioned face masks and rejected various offers of vaccines while pushing unproven drugs such as hydroxychloroquine.
Last December, the president, who had himself contracted Covid-19, suggested the Pfizer vaccine may turn people into crocodiles, cause women to grow beards or men to become effeminate.
He long sought to discredit China's CoronaVac inoculation, even as the governor of Sao Paulo fought to have it approved.

If the Bolsonaro government had started to negotiate with vaccine manufacturers in mid-2020, like many other countries, "by May or June (this year) Brazil would have already vaccinated its target population," said Urbaez.
Bolsonaro's handling of the outbreak has contributed to his popularity tumbling to a lowly 24 percent, with regular protest marches to call for his resignation.
There are dozens of outstanding impeachment bids against him, and a Senate committee is investigating his government's pandemic response.
Bolsonaro is also the subject of several criminal investigations -- one of them concerning allegations that he sat on evidence of corruption in a Covid vaccine deal.
Bolsonaro, who came to power in 2019, has rejected all claims of government corruption, instead denouncing the parliamentary inquiry as a political "antic" aimed at forcing him from office.
He will seek reelection in 2022, but worried about his chances, Bolsonaro has launched a series of attacks on the judiciary and the very electoral system itself.
"The acceleration of vaccination will have very positive consequences for Brazil, such as the reduction in the number of deaths and greater reopening of economic activity, but is unlikely to translate into an increase in popularity" for Bolsonaro, said political scientist Mauricio Santoro.
At a health center in Brasilia, retiree Monica de Barros, 57, received her second vaccine.
"Hundreds of thousands of deaths could have been avoided by firmer and less denialist action," she told AFP.

 

[porcaputtana]

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-new-cases-sep-16-death-woman-unvaccinated-2181581

hitting the magical 1000 soon. Hopefully that’s the peak and we can turn the corner .

Vaccination rate hits 90% and the numbers come down, and it’s Miller time!

pro choice anti vaxxers and ivermectin fake scientists shall gnash their teeth and tear at their breasts . Maybe the government should round them up and put them in a little colony on P Hantu so as not to appear discriminatory.

 

[porcaputtana]

Sam, you are missing the point. Vaccinations downgrade the disease so people don't get seriously ill and burden healthcare. Who says anti vaxxed cannot make personal choices? Last I heard, Sinkeepoo has no mandatory vaccination, although I am all for it.

Nobody is worried about catching COVID or not. The concern is whether we get seriously ill or die from it.

This news is making headlines now. Brazil has finally seen the light...

Brazil turns the tide with Covid-19 vaccines​

PUBLISHED : 17 SEP 2021 AT 02:45
WRITER: AFP

More than two-thirds of Brazilians have received at least one coronavirus vaccine dose
BRASíLIA - Despite a slow start plagued by much controversy that still haunts President Jair Bolsonaro, Brazil's coronavirus vaccination campaign is now one of the fastest-paced and farthest-reaching in the world.
While boasting a globally renowned vaccination system, the country of 213 million people only started coronavirus inoculations in January, several weeks after the United States, many European countries and others in South America.
The rollout was delayed by political bickering under a president who belittled the pandemic and spread vaccine falsehoods, then hamstrung by logistical difficulties in the vast country.

But the country with the world's second-highest Covid-19 death toll -- more than 588,000 fatalities reported to date -- has seen its coronavirus vaccination rate pick up and its death rate tumble as imported jabs started arriving and local production began.

In the past three months, the number of Brazilians with at least one jab has almost tripled to cover 67.6 percent of the population -- slightly higher than in the United States with 63.4 percent and Argentina with 63.8, according to an AFP count.
The figure for those fully vaccinated is much lower, at 36 percent -- but enough to put Brazil in third place among the world's ten most populous countries.
With vaccine supply uncertain at first, Brazil decided to focus on giving a first dose to as large a number of people as possible, and opted for a long interval between the first and second jab.

Logistical delivery problems have largely been ironed out through trial and error, and supply concerns are a thing of the past with Brazil now producing its own AstraZeneca and Sinovac jabs under license.

"The acceleration was seen from May-June, with the arrival and much more consistent supply of vaccines," Jose David Urbaez of the Society of Infectology told AFP.
As a result, from more than 2,000 daily deaths in June, there are now fewer than 600 per day.
Today, Brazil is the country with the fourth-most doses administered -- a total of 214 million -- after China, India and the United States.
It is administering the third-most doses daily -- some 1.5 million on average per day in the last week, and has started giving shots to teenagers and booster shots to vulnerable people.

One problem the country does not have is vaccine skepticism: More than 90 percent of Brazilians have told pollsters they want the jab.
Brazil's recent success came despite a chaotic pandemic outset under the leadership of Bolsonaro, who at its height minimized the virus as a "little flu," fought lockdowns, questioned face masks and rejected various offers of vaccines while pushing unproven drugs such as hydroxychloroquine.
Last December, the president, who had himself contracted Covid-19, suggested the Pfizer vaccine may turn people into crocodiles, cause women to grow beards or men to become effeminate.
He long sought to discredit China's CoronaVac inoculation, even as the governor of Sao Paulo fought to have it approved.

If the Bolsonaro government had started to negotiate with vaccine manufacturers in mid-2020, like many other countries, "by May or June (this year) Brazil would have already vaccinated its target population," said Urbaez.
Bolsonaro's handling of the outbreak has contributed to his popularity tumbling to a lowly 24 percent, with regular protest marches to call for his resignation.
There are dozens of outstanding impeachment bids against him, and a Senate committee is investigating his government's pandemic response.
Bolsonaro is also the subject of several criminal investigations -- one of them concerning allegations that he sat on evidence of corruption in a Covid vaccine deal.
Bolsonaro, who came to power in 2019, has rejected all claims of government corruption, instead denouncing the parliamentary inquiry as a political "antic" aimed at forcing him from office.
He will seek reelection in 2022, but worried about his chances, Bolsonaro has launched a series of attacks on the judiciary and the very electoral system itself.
"The acceleration of vaccination will have very positive consequences for Brazil, such as the reduction in the number of deaths and greater reopening of economic activity, but is unlikely to translate into an increase in popularity" for Bolsonaro, said political scientist Mauricio Santoro.
At a health center in Brasilia, retiree Monica de Barros, 57, received her second vaccine.
"Hundreds of thousands of deaths could have been avoided by firmer and less denialist action," she told AFP.

new variant old variant . Alpha delta mu epsilon

whiskey tango foxtrot

vaccinate and take the appropriate booster at the appropriate interval

just like the common seasonal flu

that’s what endemic means

 

[porcaputtana]

ICU admission remains stable thanks to our 80% vaccination rate (and climbing )

 

[dredd]

Do you believe foreigners create good jobs for Singaporeans? Gst is to help the poor?

Depending on who you ask. Since you ask me, I will tell you. We are speaking at different levels, so you must understand my perception of things may be a little different from the average man on the street.

As a business owner, I employ both Sinkees and FTs. Although I understand the anger towards FTs for taking jobs that Sinkees feel they are "entitled" to, I will tell you now that FTs have better work attitudes and their skill sets are much higher than Sinkees. I have less problems with my FT workers than my local ones. So if you are an employer, won't you employ someone who is better, cheaper and gives less problems? If Sinkees want good jobs and better pay, they will need to show that they are more capable and better at what they do. That sucks to hear I know, but that's life. No one is "entitled" to anything.

As to whether FTs create good jobs for Sinkees? I think they do. Again not from your level of thinking ah.... The work that the FTs do for me has generated more jobs for the industry as a whole with many locals using what they do to enrich themselves greatly. So whether FTs have created good jobs for Sinkees is a question that Sinkees need to ask themselves at a personal level - How creative and resurceful do I need to be in order to take advantage of opportunities that come their way. But I think, that is hard for you to understand at your level...

GST helping the poor? That one is beyond me. My GST is given to the gahment. They use it as an "income" to run the country and to fund programmes that help the poor or the unfortunate. Whether they do so or not, that's not for me to say. But from what I see, I think unfortunate Sinkees are a lot better off than their counterparts in neighbouring countries. So they must be doing something right I think...

 

[dredd]

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-new-cases-sep-16-death-woman-unvaccinated-2181581

hitting the magical 1000 soon. Hopefully that’s the peak and we can turn the corner .

Vaccination rate hits 90% and the numbers come down, and it’s Miller time!

pro choice anti vaxxers and ivermectin fake scientists shall gnash their teeth and tear at their breasts . Maybe the government should round them up and put them in a little colony on P Hantu so as not to appear discriminatory.

I expect infections to hit 2K in the coming weeks before tapering off.

Low IQ antivaxxers will view this as a "failure" for vaccines. I beg to differ. I think this is the time when vaccines are needed more than ever to keep ourselves protected from serious illness or death.

When the rains come, the stupid ones will spend all their time trying to sound smart saying: "There I told you the rains will come", the smart ones take out their umbrellas and protect themselves.

 

[porcaputtana]

I expect infections to hit 2K in the coming weeks before tapering off.

Low IQ antivaxxers will view this as a "failure" for vaccines. I beg to differ. I think this is the time when vaccines are needed more than ever to keep ourselves protected from serious illness or death.

When the rains come, the stupid ones will spend all their time trying to sound smart saying: "There I told you the rains will come", the smart ones take out their umbrellas and protect themselves.

Lawrence projected 3000 so maybe your 2000 is a good hedge .

fuck the halfwit anti vaxxers la. Their numbers are so low now they are just a bunch of school boys in a wanking contest. No longer relevant

 

[dredd]

Lawrence projected 3000 so maybe your 2000 is a good hedge .

fuck the halfwit anti vaxxers la. Their numbers are so low now they are just a bunch of school boys in a wanking contest. No longer relevant

The 10% antivaxxers have long ago been unrelevant. Their stupidity, ignorance and lack of self confidence have driven them to congregate as clusters here and on telegram spreading misinformation amongst themselves like inbreds talking and farking themselves.

While the world is moving forward, taking steps to protect themselves, looking towards a post-pandemic life, this bunch of losers are still stuck in the dark ages, still believing all the crazy conspiracies and crap.

 

[Leongsam]

Sam, you are missing the point. Vaccinations downgrade the disease so people don't get seriously ill and burden healthcare. Who says anti vaxxed cannot make personal choices? Last I heard, Sinkeepoo has no mandatory vaccination, although I am all for it.

Nobody is worried about catching COVID or not. The concern is whether we get seriously ill or die from it.

This news is making headlines now. Brazil has finally seen the light...

Brazil turns the tide with Covid-19 vaccines​

PUBLISHED : 17 SEP 2021 AT 02:45
WRITER: AFP

More than two-thirds of Brazilians have received at least one coronavirus vaccine dose
BRASíLIA - Despite a slow start plagued by much controversy that still haunts President Jair Bolsonaro, Brazil's coronavirus vaccination campaign is now one of the fastest-paced and farthest-reaching in the world.
While boasting a globally renowned vaccination system, the country of 213 million people only started coronavirus inoculations in January, several weeks after the United States, many European countries and others in South America.
The rollout was delayed by political bickering under a president who belittled the pandemic and spread vaccine falsehoods, then hamstrung by logistical difficulties in the vast country.

But the country with the world's second-highest Covid-19 death toll -- more than 588,000 fatalities reported to date -- has seen its coronavirus vaccination rate pick up and its death rate tumble as imported jabs started arriving and local production began.

In the past three months, the number of Brazilians with at least one jab has almost tripled to cover 67.6 percent of the population -- slightly higher than in the United States with 63.4 percent and Argentina with 63.8, according to an AFP count.
The figure for those fully vaccinated is much lower, at 36 percent -- but enough to put Brazil in third place among the world's ten most populous countries.
With vaccine supply uncertain at first, Brazil decided to focus on giving a first dose to as large a number of people as possible, and opted for a long interval between the first and second jab.

Logistical delivery problems have largely been ironed out through trial and error, and supply concerns are a thing of the past with Brazil now producing its own AstraZeneca and Sinovac jabs under license.

"The acceleration was seen from May-June, with the arrival and much more consistent supply of vaccines," Jose David Urbaez of the Society of Infectology told AFP.
As a result, from more than 2,000 daily deaths in June, there are now fewer than 600 per day.
Today, Brazil is the country with the fourth-most doses administered -- a total of 214 million -- after China, India and the United States.
It is administering the third-most doses daily -- some 1.5 million on average per day in the last week, and has started giving shots to teenagers and booster shots to vulnerable people.

One problem the country does not have is vaccine skepticism: More than 90 percent of Brazilians have told pollsters they want the jab.
Brazil's recent success came despite a chaotic pandemic outset under the leadership of Bolsonaro, who at its height minimized the virus as a "little flu," fought lockdowns, questioned face masks and rejected various offers of vaccines while pushing unproven drugs such as hydroxychloroquine.
Last December, the president, who had himself contracted Covid-19, suggested the Pfizer vaccine may turn people into crocodiles, cause women to grow beards or men to become effeminate.
He long sought to discredit China's CoronaVac inoculation, even as the governor of Sao Paulo fought to have it approved.

If the Bolsonaro government had started to negotiate with vaccine manufacturers in mid-2020, like many other countries, "by May or June (this year) Brazil would have already vaccinated its target population," said Urbaez.
Bolsonaro's handling of the outbreak has contributed to his popularity tumbling to a lowly 24 percent, with regular protest marches to call for his resignation.
There are dozens of outstanding impeachment bids against him, and a Senate committee is investigating his government's pandemic response.
Bolsonaro is also the subject of several criminal investigations -- one of them concerning allegations that he sat on evidence of corruption in a Covid vaccine deal.
Bolsonaro, who came to power in 2019, has rejected all claims of government corruption, instead denouncing the parliamentary inquiry as a political "antic" aimed at forcing him from office.
He will seek reelection in 2022, but worried about his chances, Bolsonaro has launched a series of attacks on the judiciary and the very electoral system itself.
"The acceleration of vaccination will have very positive consequences for Brazil, such as the reduction in the number of deaths and greater reopening of economic activity, but is unlikely to translate into an increase in popularity" for Bolsonaro, said political scientist Mauricio Santoro.
At a health center in Brasilia, retiree Monica de Barros, 57, received her second vaccine.
"Hundreds of thousands of deaths could have been avoided by firmer and less denialist action," she told AFP.

Israel has turned the tide with vaccines too... in the other direction.

 

[dredd]

Israel has turned the tide with vaccines too... in the other direction.

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Israel is doing just fine. Trust the jews to know what they are doing. God's chosen people shall never perish.

 

[Leongsam]

Israel is doing just fine. Trust the jews to know what they are doing. God's chosen people shall never perish.

Death rate is higher than Brazil's too. Gasp!!! Could it be that vaccines actually make things worse!

 

[dredd]

Death rate is higher than Brazil's too. Gasp!!! Could it be that vaccines actually make things worse!

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Yes, if you think so.

 

[Leongsam]

Yes, if you think so.

The advantage of the mRNA vaccine is that it can easily be tweaked to deal with mutations.

However because of a huge stockpile of the stuff that was formulated to deal with the Alpha variant the message that is being pushed is that it is "still effective" even if the efficacy has dropped to a mere 10% or less.

I still believe that a vaccine that generates antibodies to deal with more than just the S protein is the way to go. mRNA vaccines, if they prove to do no long term harm, can still be used as a short term stop gap measure but for longer lasting immunity an attenuated virus vaccine surely is a more sustainable solution.

 

[zhihau]

Attenuated virus vaccine should be favored

 

[porcaputtana]

The advantage of the mRNA vaccine is that it can easily be tweaked to deal with mutations.

However because of a huge stockpile of the stuff that was formulated to deal with the Alpha variant the message that is being pushed is that it is "still effective" even if the efficacy has dropped to a mere 10% or less.

I still believe that a vaccine that generates antibodies to deal with more than just the S protein is the way to go. mRNA vaccines, if they prove to do no long term harm, can still be used as a short term stop gap measure but for longer lasting immunity an attenuated virus vaccine surely is a more sustainable solution.

mRNA disappears after a few days . How can it cause long term harm ?