Reason Why Singaporeans are Angry

[TracyTan866]

I will have to disagree on this point.

I prefer a tradie to tile my house, because it makes my house look more expensive than my Singapore's cousin's house which is done by a labourer. Looking at the mitre, I really admire the workmanship by these Italian-Australian craftsmen.

Yes, a brickie is a skilled labourer, because you need skills in laying bricks properly.

a labourer labours for his wages. a labourer is skilled. so being skilled doesnt mean he is not a labourer

 

[Leongsam]

do you disagree that a bricklayer is a labourer?

It all depends upon who is doing the bricklaying. If it's done by the builder himself, then it isn't. If he hires someone by the hour to do the job for him, then it's labor.

 

[sleaguepunter]

tell that to leongSam

yes, LKY was intelligent and courageous.

LHL is a dud and a wimp

gong simi lanjiao, u are the one who praise old fart, where did ah leong fall into the picture.

 

[TracyTan866]

The Singapore government comes to mind.

well said

 

[TracyTan866]

It all depends upon who is doing the bricklaying. If it's done by the builder himself, then it isn't. If he hires someone by the hour to do the job for him, then it's labor.

hehehe..still reluctant to admit that a bricklayer is a labourer? trying to salvage childish pride?

 

[TracyTan866]

gong simi lanjiao, u are the one who praise old fart, where did ah leong fall into the picture.

i believe LKY did well in his early years but overstayed.

it's Leongsam who licks LKY's b.lls.

so you shd prove him wrong

 

[sleaguepunter]

a labourer labours for his wages. a labourer is skilled. so being skilled doesnt mean he is not a labourer

auntie, can make up your mind or not. u are behaving just like pap, look down on ppl who dun work in an aircon enviornment. bricklayer, plumber, electrician are ppl with a trade, not your run of the mill bangla labourer.

 

[sleaguepunter]

i believe LKY did well in his early years but overstayed.

it's Leongsam who licks LKY's b.lls

you are also licking old fart ball too...............

 

[neddy]

Actually construction cost in Singapore is inexpensive compared to many developed countries.

No gloves
No certified safety boots
No safety goggles
No capping on sharp metal objects

No safety standards
Cut down to save cost.

Also cheap material cost.

 

[TracyTan866]

auntie, can make up your mind or not. u are behaving just like pap, look down on ppl who dun work in an aircon enviornment. bricklayer, plumber, electrician are ppl with a trade, not your run of the mill bangla labourer.

labourer is defined as a worker who engages in physical work. do you have quarrel with that?

 

[TracyTan866]

you are also licking old fart ball too...............

i admired him before...not now. i saw through him in the last 10years

 

[TracyTan866]

No gloves
No certified safety boots
No safety goggles
No capping on sharp metal objects

No safety standards
Cut down to save cost.

Also cheap material cost.

will more buildings face problems in the future because of BCA's neglect and present use of unskilled, cheap foreigners? will some buildings collapse? JEM was flooded in the first week of its official opening because of poor worksmanship.

more undiscovered and hidden problems in the new buildings?

 

[neddy]

a labourer labours for his wages. a labourer is skilled. so being skilled doesnt mean he is not a labourer

Anyone who completes a board certified trade certificate with apprenticing is a tradesman.
A bricklayer may be still undergoing apprenticeship.
Anyone else is a labourer, Eg the bloke who demolishes your house and clears the debris.

Ranking is important.

 

[Leongsam]

hehehe..still reluctant to admit that a bricklayer is a labourer? trying to salvage childish pride?

It has nothing to do with pride. I'm simply describing how it works.

The term "laborer" describes someone who does a job which does not require much skill and who is on an hourly or daily wage. He shows up to work and is told what to do.

A "tradesman" owns a business. He's the one with the skills. He has to buy the tools of his trade and purchase the materials required to do the job.

Then there's the "craftsman" who performs jobs that require years of practice in order to achieve the required standard of work. A craftsman may be an employee but call him a "laborer" and he won't be very happy.

Mind you I'm not inventing these terms. You are free define things however you want. I'm just describing industry norms.

 

[TracyTan866]

Anyone who completes a board certified trade certificate with apprenticing is a tradesman.
A bricklayer may be still undergoing apprenticeship.
Anyone else is a labourer, Eg the bloke who demolishes your house and clears the debris.

that's in australia

 

[TracyTan866]

It has nothing to do with pride. I'm simply describing how it works.

The term "laborer" describes someone who does a job which does not require much skill and who is on an hourly or daily wage. He shows up to work and is told what to do.

A "tradesman" owns a business. He's the one with the skills. He has to buy the tools of his trade and purchase the materials required to do the job.

Then there's the "craftsman" who performs jobs that require years of practice in order to achieve the required standard of work. A craftsman may be an employee but call him a "laborer" and he won't be very happy.

Mind you I'm not inventing these terms. You are free define things however you want. I'm just describing industry norms.

so is a bricklayer in SG a labourer?

 

[neddy]

i admired him before...not now. i saw through him in the last 10years

You feel cheated?

 

[TracyTan866]

You feel cheated?

no..he changed.

the lky of 2004 is totally different from lky of 1984

 

[TracyTan866]

You feel cheated?

i wish lky wld have been the same LKY of 1965 when he stepped down in 2011. he would have been revered.

bottomline is he overstaed and used up all the goodwill

 

[neddy]

that's in australia

In Germany, it takes up to 4 years.
All advanced countries have respect for the trades.

But Singapore?

Is that you on the left?