PAPsmearer Exclusive: The SAF standard issue rifle and the corruption that is the S’pore Defence Industrial complex

[aerobwala]

They don't think you can survive first round of assult mah.

The simplest of scenarios: What happens if batteries ran out suddenly during a shootout?

 

[tanwahtiu]

Hey pui kia, seems like u hate Mindef, want to share why you hate them....

One guess is she marry LHY instead of you, tio boh.... hehehe...

Yup, health care budget is 40% smaller then defence budget. MINDEAF buy a squadron of F-15SG, and gong cheebye sinkies steam like crazy and praising SAF. That one squadron can give all singaporeans free medicine, free specialist consultation, free surgeries, free doctor exams, free stay in hospital etc. for the whole year.

 

[nayr69sg]

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Armed forces are increasingly preferring rifles that are modular and scalable. Being able to customize the set up to suit different missions demand. . Barrel length and even calibre can be changed without much hassle.

Don't see how SAR 21 can meet up with the requirements. The fix telescope and integrated LAD killed any export prospect.

Like nerf guns.

 

[Papsmearer]

is the M16 very different from the old AR 15?

The main difference between the AR-15 and the M16S1 (as used in the SAF) is the AR-15 does not have a forward assist. The forward assist is a small device on the right side of the weapon near the buttstock to manually push the bolt carrier forward in the event of jammed round, and hence to clear the round. What is interesting is that the bolt carrier used in the SAF AR-15 is actually an M16A1-A2 bolt carrier, because its notched to accommodate a forward assist. Please see the following pictures.

AR-15

M-16

 

[Papsmearer]

m-16 is the military designation and militarized variant of the ar-15. at gun stores and shows, you can buy a (civilian) ar-15 but not an m-16 as m-16 is military issue. but they are essentially almost similar and identical. the m-4 is the shorter version of the m-16 with collapsible stock. m-4 at first was used in armored and mechanized formations due to its shorter barrel and collapsible stock, but is now generally preferred over the m-16 for most infantry units due to its lighter weight and compactness.
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Once again, you are providing fuck shit useless and inaccurate information. Trying to show you know something about this weapon when in fact, you know shit all. Please refer to my reply to the same question for the correct answer. Dumbass.

 

[Papsmearer]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. all these contracts to line the pockets of GLCs.

Yup, a 100% accurate statement. The M-16S1 was not broke, but they tried to fix it with the SAR-21

 

[Papsmearer]

Too bad, the NS men are unable to tell MINDEF that the SAR is useless.
I agree with you that the SAF should and must not waste money on making its own standard rifles.
Simply buy what the USA or UK is using.

No one listens to NSmen in the SAF. NS regulars of Capt rank and below know this is a piece of shit. But who dares to tell a scholar Col to his face?

 

[Papsmearer]

What is your basis for that statement?

U will have to wait long long for Stuffycunt to reply to you. The SHemale does not like to be called out.

 

[Papsmearer]

Thanks OP, please keep smearing.

I will now and then post something. Cutting back on my time here.

 

[eatshitndie]

Once again, you are providing fuck shit useless and inaccurate information. Trying to show you know something about this weapon when in fact, you know shit all. Please refer to my reply to the same question for the correct answer. Dumbass.

the forward assist feature is not confined to the m-16. ar-15 variant in u.s. also has forward assist you twit. never seen one? because you have no clue as your knowledge is only confined to the saf ar-15 variant.

 

[glockman]

I will now and then post something. Cutting back on my time here.

I recently spoke with a friend who works for the US Border Patrol. He's armed with a HK P2000 .40 S&W and an M4 every working day. And he only has good things to say about both his tools.

 

[Papsmearer]

the forward assist feature is not confined to the m-16. ar-15 variant in u.s. also has forward assist you twit. never seen one? because you have no clue as your knowledge is only confined to the saf ar-15 variant.

The question asked was "Is the M16 very different from the old AR-15". The old AR-15 as issued to the SAF in the 70s and early 80s HAS NO FORWARD ASSIST. Unlike you, I actually know this. And how do I know this? Because I was in the SAF long enough to be issued this weapon, plus the SAR-80 after that, Plus the CAR-15 in between for specialist units, plus M16S1. I am a laucheow now, but my memory is still fine. The new AR-15 as sold in the civilian market in the US has the forward assist. But the question is not about the newer AR-15. When you have been proved wrong, just shut up and go into a corner. Instead, you just make yourself lose more credibility with each post.

 

[eatshitndie]

The main difference between the AR-15 and the M16S1 (as used in the SAF) is the AR-15 does not have a forward assist. The forward assist is a small device on the right side of the weapon near the buttstock to manually push the bolt carrier forward in the event of jammed round, and hence to clear the round. What is interesting is that the bolt carrier used in the SAF AR-15 is actually an M16A1-A2 bolt carrier, because its notched to accommodate a forward assist. Please see the following pictures.

AR-15

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M-16

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this is the biggest bullshit i've ever seen on sbf. just for your info, the forward assist feature also exist on the ar-15 in u.s. ranges. it's not an exclusive nor unique feature on the m-16 when compared to the ar-15. you've been stuck in saf-groupthink-shithole for far too long. welcome to the real world of rifles.

 

[eatshitndie]

The question asked was "Is the M16 very different from the old AR-15". The old AR-15 as issued to the SAF in the 70s and early 80s HAS NO FORWARD ASSIST. Unlike you, I actually know this. And how do I know this? Because I was in the SAF long enough to be issued this weapon, plus the SAR-80 after that, Plus the CAR-15 in between for specialist units, plus M16S1. I am a laucheow now, but my memory is still fine. The new AR-15 as sold in the civilian market in the US has the forward assist. But the question is not about the newer AR-15. When you have been proved wrong, just shut up and go into a corner. Instead, you just make yourself lose more credibility with each post.

that's just fucking saf. in u.s. here we know our ar-15 and our m-16 in detail. unlike you, if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about don't just confine your knowledge about saf shit. i've used the forward assist feature on the m-16 during my later saf days, and i also wondered why the saf ar-15 didn't have it..... until i cum to the u.s. and fired some ar-15's at ranges. ar-15's in the u.s. have the feature, and it's also to assist the firer in locking the bolt. you get it? that was many years ago. the feature did not exist in older versions of the m-16, so your point is moot about it being the main difference. the older m-16 had to have a round in the chamber to be locked and loaded (with a full cock and loud release of bolt handle). this feature removed this need and allowed the user to gently or stealthily lock the bolt. the unofficial version whereby a user "manually push the bolt carrier forward in the event of jammed round" is hocus pocus bs. you tell that to folks at the range, and they will laugh so hard they have to call it a day as ribcage hurts and prevents them from firing any more rounds.

 

[Papsmearer]

I recently spoke with a friend who works for the US Border Patrol. He's armed with a HK P2000 .40 S&W and an M4 every working day. And he only has good things to say about both his tools.

No one has a problem with the M4 (which was derived from the M16, which was derived from the AR-15, all Eugene Stoner derivatives).................... except apparently the SAF and ST, who somehow think they can come up with a better weapon. I know several US LE agencies switched to .40 and other heavier rounds because the 9mm was not cutting it for them.

 

[Papsmearer]

that's just fucking saf. in u.s. here we know our ar-15 and our m-16 in detail. unlike you, if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about don't just confine your knowledge about saf shit.

Yes, this whole thread I started is about the SAF. If you don't like it, fuck off and start your own thread, and don't come in here with your lack of basic knowledge bullshit.

 

[glockman]

No one has a problem with the M4 (which was derived from the M16, which was derived from the AR-15, all Eugene Stoner derivatives).................... except apparently the SAF and ST, who somehow think they can come up with a better weapon. I know several US LE agencies switched to .40 and other heavier rounds because the 9mm was not cutting it for them.

yeah, .40 got more stopping power than 9mm. Law enforcement there dealing with better armed bad guys.

 

[Papsmearer]

this is the biggest bullshit i've ever seen on sbf. just for your info, the forward assist feature also exist on the ar-15 in u.s. ranges. it's not an exclusive nor unique feature on the m-16 when compared to the ar-15. you've been stuck in saf-groupthink-shithole for far too long. welcome to the real world of rifles.

I have said in my reply "AR-15 as issued to the SAF", has no forward assist. Only a fucktard like u, cannot read nor comprehend this statement, and hence bring up shit about AR-15 in US ranges, etc. Who gives a flying fuck about US ranges. Read the title of this thread, moron.

 

[Papsmearer]

yeah, .40 got more stopping power than 9mm. Law enforcement there dealing with better armed bad guys.

I don't think better armed is the issue. Its stopping power. For example, LE in Singapore use 9mm, even the SPF and their HK USP. To put down a 65kg yellow man, a 9mm is enough stopping power. Its not enough if you are putting down a 100kg negro, hispanic or angmo guy in the US. I hear some LE is even switching to .357

 

[glockman]

I don't think better armed is the issue. Its stopping power. For example, LE in Singapore use 9mm, even the SPF and their HK USP. To put down a 65kg yellow man, a 9mm is enough stopping power. Its not enough if you are putting down a 100kg negro, hispanic or angmo guy in the US. I hear some LE is even switching to .357

Yes, need to make bigger holes in bigger guys in order to stop them!