Opposition-bashing in "Opposition unity" forum

[char_jig_kar]

sometimes I wonder what you guys expect the opposition to do,,,,,

82 PAPs against 2 Opps.... In an open karaoke sessions, I pity the two guys who must wait in turns to speak,,,, whenever they speak, it may and probably not shown on TV most of the times (or only maybe in bad light) or the shitty times. In the parliament, the speaker of the house may control the items to speak of and time frame,,,,,

1 Opps speak, at least 5 Puppies came barking,,,, distracting the gist of the topics,,,

If we can have another 5-10 Opps, that would be nice to see how the Opps perform,,,

Anyway, even should PAP lost the election, Singapore will not die, the reserves will not disappear like LKY said,,,, the Opps simply just need to pay good money to employ strategicians,,,,, what you guys think Shamugan born to become Law Minister, Tharman is Finance Minister,,, they need helps from their subordinates,,,, alll except Pinkie, who he believes he is a natural born leader because his father says so,,,,

Look ,,, when GCT becomes PM, Singapore did not collapse and withers, and when Pinkie become PM, well, he did not perform,,,,

So, dun worry if PAP is the next govt, even if they are not, Singapore will not die,,,

anyway none of the politicians is indispensible,,,, LKY, CST, GCT, PINKY all can wither and die, and Singapore will continue to prosper

what do i as a electorate expect the opposition to do? Opposition wanna play the game? please put in effort. if not, just quit the game. simple as that. don't have money don't have people? don't wanna ganna police harass? okay, start by standing on a stone or box at the hong lim park and speak. how difficult is that?? but do we see opposition keep on going to the hong lim park? recently there's a goh meng seng from nsp doing that. yeah. but who else? who else from the oppo take the pro active action to go to hong lim park and speak?

i didn't see the passion in the opposition. so, why not just cut the crap? many of the opposition THEY WANT THE PARLIAMENTARY SEATS, BUT DON'T WANNA PUT IN EFFORT.

 

[char_jig_kar]

Davinder Singh served 4 terms as an MP. He hardly said anything and one only has to check with the Hansard. Eunice Olsen was not even elected spoke more times and on important issues. Yet the GRC system allowed passengers to go thru.

yes, so what is the opposition parties gotta do about it???

Every vote against the PAP whether its for a donkey or an impressive candidate is a dent for the PAP.

no.... no.... u are wrong in this.

if the donkey is FOR THE PAP, AND THE DONKEY VOTE FOR THE PAP, FINDING THE PAP AGREEABLE MOST OF THE TIME, THAT IS NO NO! NO WAY IT WILL PUT A DENT FOR THE PAP. IT ONLY SHOWCASE TO THE WORLD THAT THERE'S A DEMOCRACY SYSTEM HERE, BUT NO! ITS A FARCE IF THE 'DONKEY' DIDN'T PLAY ITS PART AS A OPPOSITION!

A spoilt vote serves 2 purposes - definately helps the PAP hold on to power and second purpose is range of arguments which maybe justified to an individual but nevertheless helps the PAP retain seats. Ask Barisan.

no. like i said, u are wrong on this. voting for opposition who find the PAP agreeable, who walk too damn close to the PAP, that doesn't serve any purpose. IT ONLY HELP THE PAP. THE PAP COULD SHOWCASE TO THE WORLD, 'SEE! WE HAVE DEMOCRACY SYSTEM HERE!'

its a danger to just close eyes and VOTE FOR ANY OPPOSITION. YSL is a good example. he's a WP CEC member. HE FUCKING VOTED FOR THE PAP! I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT! CAN U GURANTEE THAT YAW IS THE ONLY CHAP IN THE OPPOSITION WHO DID THAT?? CAN U? U CANT! SO HOW COULD U ASK PEOPLE TO JUST VOTE FOR ANY DONKEY OPPO INTO PARLIAMENT? THATS IRRESPONSIBLE!

are u sure that barisan's downfall is just about boycotting the parliament? there other issue at work isn't it? such as operation coldstore which lead to the decline of barisan??

Its the primary reason why the PAP has yet to bankrupt SDP but has kept it as a convenient vehicle to stop them moving on to other opposition parties or to create a new party. The shallow and the simpled minded without a piped piper will find change difficult and remain in familiar surroundings. The fastest way to trap a flock of mynahs is to place one in a large cage with a one way entry. The rest will be in no time.

nice try. but too much a stretch.

The only other bigger idiot than the Mynah is Yaw who actually went on to vote for the PAP and told the world about it. Then again, he found it fit to join YPAP in the first place.

if Yaw is a idiot... THEN WHY THE FUCK IS HE STILL IN WP CEC??? WHICH MEANS THE WP IS OKKKAYYY WITH YSL ANTIC! WAKE THE FUCK UP PAL!

 

[scroobal]

if Yaw is a idiot... THEN WHY THE FUCK IS HE STILL IN WP CEC??? WHICH MEANS THE WP IS OKKKAYYY WITH YSL ANTIC! WAKE THE FUCK UP PAL!

WP will certainly pay a heavy price for this. Especially so when he feels that he did no wrong and WP leadership has remained silent. Not very smart politicians. People don't forget things like these.

Frankly, my intention is to reduce PAP's hold on seats so that they become more responsive, more accountable and more compassionate than they are.

On nomination day, it will be evident that they will form the govt. I will vote for a donkey, an ass or even a bicycle thief.

The PAP knows that many singaporeans can't work out the equation and they are right.

 

[yellow_people]

Davinder Singh served 4 terms as an MP.

4 walkovers for Mr. Singh in 1988, 1991, 1997 and 2001. Says alot doesn't it.

Every vote against the PAP whether its for a donkey or an impressive candidate is a dent for the PAP.

Its not as simple as that and clear cut as you make it out to be. LTK and his WP are a letdown to the democratic progression of Singapore and will end up doing more harm to the long term interest of the nation. They survive and are allowed to by the PAP because they play the political game as laid down by the PAP. Hence they are no threat to the PAP and are held up as evidence of a multi party democratic parliament by the PAP when in reality there is none. They have done nothing towards genuine political progression let alone whisper a word about the political rights of the citizens. As a PAP man you should know this.

PAP also has a history of co-opting its critics into its ranks. Vivian Balakrishnan and Walter Woon were both heavily critical of the PAP before they were won over by the PAP with lofty positions and perks.

A spoilt vote serves 2 purposes - definately helps the PAP
hold on to power and second purpose is range of arguments which maybe justified to an individual but nevertheless helps the PAP retain seats. Ask Barisan.

I beg to differ. The idea behind the spoilt vote is discourage more riff raff politicians like LTK from emerging. It also prevents the PAP from using politicians like him as a conerstone to showcase multi party democracy which in reality is a mirage.

Its the primary reason why the PAP has yet to bankrupt SDP but has kept it as a convenient vehicle to stop them moving on to other opposition parties or to create a new party.

PAP has already bankrupted the Chees. Standard operating procedure of the PAP when they know their political opponents are a threat will not cower before them. There's no need to bankrupt the party just yet when you have ensured that its leaders will not be able to contest the PAP in the elections.

Answer me this... for all the comments I read in this forum about how out of touch and insignificant CSJ and SDP, why is the PAP frequently gunning for them through their state machinery while politicians like LTK and CST are tolerated? Who's the threat to the PAP hegemony?

Gentlemen politics according to the PAP is Owellian language for acquiesce.

 

[char_jig_kar]

WP will certainly pay a heavy price for this. Especially so when he feels that he did no wrong and WP leadership has remained silent. Not very smart politicians. People don't forget things like these.

Frankly, my intention is to reduce PAP's hold on seats so that they become more responsive, more accountable and more compassionate than they are.

On nomination day, it will be evident that they will form the govt. I will vote for a donkey, an ass or even a bicycle thief.

The PAP knows that many singaporeans can't work out the equation and they are right.

lets suppose. this coming GE, on top of 2 seats won by Low and Chiam, the Opposition manage to get in 4 donkeys, 3 assholes, and 3 bicycle thieves.

these 10 new opposition MP, all of them adore LKY. they all find PAP's outlooks, philosophies 95 percent agreeable. (why they don't join the PAP, thats another matter...)

since the 10 new opposition MP, all of them are kind of 'comrade' of the PAP, they share the same idol, they share almost the same outlook and philosophies... why would the PAP be more accountable, responsive and compassionate?

how would these 4 donkeys, 3 assholes, and 3 bicycle thieves, their existence in the parliament, benefit the electorates who detest LKY, and disagree with the PAP??

 

[Perspective]

Answer me this... for all the comments I read in this forum about how out of touch and insignificant CSJ and SDP, why is the PAP frequently gunning for them through their state machinery while politicians like LTK and CST are tolerated? Who's the threat to the PAP hegemony?

It's very easy to be a "threat". Mas Selamat is a bigger threat because an even bigger machinery is gunning for him. That doesn't make Mas Selamat an opposition I want to vote for.

As expected you will slunk away after this.

 

[Perspective]

WP will certainly pay a heavy price for this. Especially so when he feels that he did no wrong and WP leadership has remained silent. Not very smart politicians. People don't forget things like these.

Frankly, my intention is to reduce PAP's hold on seats so that they become more responsive, more accountable and more compassionate than they are.

On nomination day, it will be evident that they will form the govt. I will vote for a donkey, an ass or even a bicycle thief.

The PAP knows that many singaporeans can't work out the equation and they are right.

WP will pay a price all right, but I feel not that big. 66% after all voted PAP and may understand his POV, there's a chance they see him as "responsible opposition" albeit a term some hardcore opposition people don't like.

YSL was lucky he voted against an opposition candidate who was a bigger threat to the opposition than the PAP, whom opposition voters themselves voted him out. If he had voted against a fellow WP candidate, he will have no way out.

 

[char_jig_kar]

It's very easy to be a "threat". Mas Selamat is a bigger threat because an even bigger machinery is gunning for him. That doesn't make Mas Selamat an opposition I want to vote for.

As expected you will slunk away after this.

CSJ is a Opposition, he is no terrorist.

 

[char_jig_kar]

WP will pay a price all right, but I feel not that big. 66% after all voted PAP and may understand his POV, there's a chance they see him as "responsible opposition" albeit a term some hardcore opposition people don't like.

YSL was lucky he voted against an opposition candidate who was a bigger threat to the opposition than the PAP, whom opposition voters themselves voted him out. If he had voted against a fellow WP candidate, he will have no way out.

what does the PAP candidate represent? its not just the candidate himself/ herself, or the GRC. the PAP candidate also represent the whole of PAP. the ideology, the outlooks, the attitude of LKY and PAP.

why the SDP opposition candidate was bigger threat to the opposition in GE?? it doesn't make sense. the bigger threat to the opposition is the ruling party PAP, the candidate of PAP.

 

[scroobal]

how would these 4 donkeys, 3 assholes, and 3 bicycle thieves, their existence in the parliament, benefit the electorates who detest LKY, and disagree with the PAP??

Of course, your logic will call for all the seats to be retained by the PAP. How smart can you be ? You got to do something about your power of reasoning.

the issue is not that they think or like the PAP which is not the case in the first place. It is because they are not confrontational like the SDP. You got to learn to identify the issue.

Now you know why SDP and the Mynahs are still together because they are allowed to be despite the judgement thats allows banruptcy proceedings on the party to commence. The ploy is called a sacrificial anode. It is also to tell the world that there is a robust opposition when they are not even in parliament.

 

[char_jig_kar]

Of course, your logic will call for all the seats to be retained by the PAP. How smart can you be ? You got to do something about your power of reasoning.

the issue is not that they think or like the PAP which is not the case in the first place. It is because they are not confrontational like the SDP. You got to learn to identify the issue.

Now you know why SDP and the Mynahs are still together because they are allowed to be despite the judgement thats allows banruptcy proceedings on the party to commence. The ploy is called a sacrificial anode. It is also to tell the world that there is a robust opposition when they are not even in parliament.

u have not answer my question.

i had shown it to u that your so call 'equation' has got serious flaw. u didn't take into consideration of the 'opposition' candidate, what do they represent really.

 

[char_jig_kar]

the logic of scroobal and some other forum member here, is that, it doesn't matter who are the Opposition candidate. whether they are donkeys, roaches, or bicycle thieves, as long as they are running against the PAP during GE, they should deserve the votes of the Opposition camp. 'cause the more non-PAP in the parliament, the better it is.

i beg to differ.

if the so call 'Opposition' candidate, or whoever running against PAP, they find the PAP agreeable most of the issues and outlooks, and adore the leader and founder of PAP, MM Lee Kuan Yew, then how would they serve the electorate who's against the PAP???

why should the PAP apologist, closet PAP admirer, get the votes of the Opposition camp by default?? why would they deserve the votes of the Opposition camp? those PAP apologist, admirer, they are almost like the PAP themselves!

 

[scroobal]

Did it ever occur to you why SPH and all its paper cover CSJ, his sister, SDP and its supporters are covered extensively albeit not covering items that are disadvantageous to the regime. They are not even in parliament. They did not even do well in the polls compared to other opposition since 1991, that is nearly 18 years ago.

Do you know WP or the other parties hardly gets a mention. Do you know why Low Thia Kiang has not been listed in the CIA yearbook for years while Ng Teck Siong from reform party does?

Do you know that the rest of the world thinks that Chee is leader of the opposition in parliament?Do you know why SPH writes about Uncle Yap and even mentions the monicker "Uncle Yap" even though he has not contested any elections.

Do you know why Harbans Singh was the most covered opposition candidate until he stepped away from politics. Do you know why Harbans Singh was more recognisable and better known by the electorate even thought he hardly got votes.

 

[char_jig_kar]

the choice is clear. for a anti-pap like me.

to me, i loath the PAP. so i will not vote for them.

now, if there are candidates running against the PAP in the area i reside, i will have to observe these candidates. who are they? what do they represent? what are their ideologies? do i find them agreeable?

if those candidates running against the PAP, they themselves sound just like the PAP, why should i as a anti-pap, vote for them??

 

[char_jig_kar]

Did it ever occur to you why SPH and all its paper cover CSJ, his sister, SDP and its supporters are covered extensively albeit not covering items that are disadvantageous to the regime. They are not even in parliament. They did not even do well in the polls compared to other opposition since 1991, that is nearly 18 years ago.

Do you know WP or the other parties hardly gets a mention. Do you know why Low Thia Kiang has not been listed in the CIA yearbook for years while Ng Teck Siong from reform party does?

Do you know that the rest of the world thinks that Chee is leader of the opposition in parliament?Do you know why SPH writes about Uncle Yap and even mentions the monicker "Uncle Yap" even though he has not contested any elections.

Do you know why Harbans Singh was the most covered opposition candidate until he stepped away from politics. Do you know why Harbans Singh was more recognisable and better known by the electorate even thought he hardly got votes.

why are u asking me those questions? did i say that i will vote for the SDP, BY DEFAULT??

 

[scroobal]

why are u asking me those questions? did i say that i will vote for the SDP, BY DEFAULT??

So you allow PAP to retain their seats? Once again, how smart can you be?

 

[scroobal]

the choice is clear. for a anti-pap like me.

to me, i loath the PAP. so i will not vote for them.

now, if there are candidates running against the PAP in the area i reside, i will have to observe these candidates. who are they? what do they represent? what are their ideologies? do i find them agreeable?

if those candidates running against the PAP, they themselves sound just like the PAP, why should i as a anti-pap, vote for them??

Now you know how SPH destroys the image of the opposition so that simple minded folks like yourself will never vote for them and let the PAP carry on.

Let the Istana know that you will not vote for any opposition and they might put you on the PBM nomination list.

 

[char_jig_kar]

Now you know how SPH destroys the image of the opposition so that simple minded folks like yourself will never vote for them and let the PAP carry on.

Let the Istana know that you will not vote for any opposition and they might put you on the PBM nomination list.

u have not defend your so call intelligent 'equation'. all u did is start hurling insults at me.

let me repeat. what is the point of voting opposition who sounds and act just like the PAP? to get PAP lookalike to check on PAP? isn't it just like getting PAP to check on PAP? serve what purpose??

 

[leetahbar]

So your idea of an opposition is to oppose everything that PAP does, and so if PAP come out wioth something that saves lives, actually improve the livelihood of Singaporeans by ten-fold, are you going to oppose that too, even when some of these policies actually does benefit society as a whole, you are going to oppose it and demand such policies be removed because its from PAP?

that exactly what SDPpies and chee are best in! discrediting is their natural skill; clueless is the other.

 

[scroobal]

u have not defend your so call intelligent 'equation'. all u did is start hurling insults at me.

let me repeat. what is the point of voting opposition who sounds and act just like the PAP? to get PAP lookalike to check on PAP? isn't it just like getting PAP to check on PAP? serve what purpose??

How can it be insults when your logic has been comprehensivly demolished. I am sure we all can agree that you will do the following things

1) Not vote for the opposition
2) allow PAP to retain their seats and continue to govern as they like
3) continue to complain about the PAP in this forum
4) continue to complain about opposition in this forum
5) continue to complain about why shops close early, too far etc