Opposition-bashing in "Opposition unity" forum

[Perspective]

if we could agree that the Opposition supporters, shouldn't vote for a person who adore LKY and find 95% of PAP ideology and outlooks agreeable, then we could move on.

if u disagree, then please bring up your points.

Of course. Theoretically, nobody disagrees with you - until you named several opposition parties and people as the 95% and people started to ask you to prove it, which you couldn't.

Your POV seems to be, anyone who doesn't not disagree with PAP 100% is agreeing with PAP 95%. No wonder a passing grade of 51% didn't make any sense to people who sees only black and white. Then I recall you said PAP had a "few good policies" and that tickles me. A voter who agrees with some PAP policies not wanting an opposition to agree with the PAP at all. In other words he doesn't want a candidate who thinks like him. The pretext that he was "not an opposition leader" so his candidate must be different. In that case, vote for the PAP.

 

[char_jig_kar]

If I asked the same question, I would think he did - even if I don't agree with the answer. But evasive people who mistakes his own evasiveness for cleverness would ask others to answer a question before he does then disregard it so that he will never need to answer in return. That kind of lame tactics is what PAP does best.

There's a difference between not answering a question and not liking an answer.

he is the one evasive from start. i had lay out to him, point out to him, why i think his 'equation' is flawed. he just start hurling insults without coming up with anything substantial to support his 'equation', his view.

 

[Perspective]

he is the one evasive from start. i had lay out to him, point out to him, why i think his 'equation' is flawed. he just start hurling insults without coming up with anything substantial to support his 'equation', his view.

Scroobal: "Imagine, I can't think of a single item that Sylvia, Low, Chiam, JBJ, Francis or anyone else has said that indicates that they are aligned with PAP or support the PAP. Yet you have come to that conclusion."

If you do not mind, please do not be a black pot calling a silver kettle black. Nothing from this sound like insults. I have yet to hear from you:

1. When any opposition agree 95% to the PAP.

2. If "few good policies" means support of PAP.

 

[char_jig_kar]

Of course. Theoretically, nobody disagrees with you - until you named several opposition parties and people as the 95% and people started to ask you to prove it, which you couldn't.

Your POV seems to be, anyone who doesn't not disagree with PAP 100% is agreeing with PAP 95%. No wonder a passing grade of 51% didn't make any sense to people who sees only black and white. Then I recall you said PAP had a "few good policies" and that tickles me. A voter who agrees with some PAP policies not wanting an opposition to agree with the PAP at all. In other words he doesn't want a candidate who thinks like him. The pretext that he was "not an opposition leader" so his candidate must be different. In that case, vote for the PAP.

its a thought experiment. the number 95% just pluck out of thin air. so, why get hung up in that figure??

 

[char_jig_kar]

Scroobal: "Imagine, I can't think of a single item that Sylvia, Low, Chiam, JBJ, Francis or anyone else has said that indicates that they are aligned with PAP or support the PAP. Yet you have come to that conclusion."

If you do not mind, please do not be a black pot calling a silver kettle black. Nothing from this sound like insults. I have yet to hear from you:

1. When any opposition agree 95% to the PAP.

2. If "few good policies" means support of PAP.

like i said, its a tot experiment. so why are u guys hung up with that figure? like i said, the idea is to point it out to him, his so call 'equation' is flawed.

 

[char_jig_kar]

from start its about donkeys, asses, and bicycle thief. and then, now u guys want me to come up with real life example of donkeys who agree with PAP 95% of its doctrine.

 

[char_jig_kar]

Dear Chap

What happens if I just admire LKY for what was done in the past, disagree with him today and find him irrelevent and feel that he should retire. Agree with the PAP some what but disagree on policy and certain doctrines. ? What does that make me ? and yes I support the opposition in any form




Locke

just take the gist of it. Lee Kuan Yew and PAP 'doctrines' do u find it agreeable most of the time?

 

[char_jig_kar]

Terrorists also have a reason for doing the things they do. In the first place Mas Selamat is no proven terrorist nor has he harmed or killed anyone. Based on your logic, he deserves more support than Chee because he had more police after his tail than Chee.

i didn't say that the more police after a 'person' that would qualify that person for support from the Opposition.

yellow_people stated that this country's machinery is after the Opposition CSJ, in a greater proportion than towards Opposition such as Chiam and Low. its never about terrorist, or anyone.

please don't be like PAP getting anal retentive.

 

[Perspective]

its a thought experiment. the number 95% just pluck out of thin air. so, why get hung up in that figure??

Because that was your starting line of reasoning when you referred to some opposition and avoided percentages, then stopped mentioning them and came up with 95%. Because you didn't accept that a passing grade can be 51%. Even in some exams, a passing grade is 40/100.

There is a difference between 20%, 55% and 90%, dear. That is why exams are graded with A1, A2, B3 etc. The key is to differentiate those who just pass and scholar types. That's everyone around the world. Why do you think some people feel elated that PAP got only 66% in AMK when it has largely and clearly won.

Now it's become a "thought experiment". Nice. I would think it's harder to get you to stand to your POV than a PAP minister. Think they will need your types as advisors.

 

[Perspective]

i didn't say that the more police after a 'person' that would qualify that person for support from the Opposition.

yellow_people stated that this country's machinery is after the Opposition CSJ, in a greater proportion than towards Opposition such as Chiam and Low. its never about terrorist, or anyone.

please don't be like PAP getting anal retentive.

The key word is "country's machinery". You want to make a comparison to see who activates a "country's machinery" more, look at the causes, not the tags of opposition or terrorist. If you don't know that Chee's strategy is to mobilise the "country's machinery" to prove his points, then I don't know where you have been all the while.

There are opposition like DPP and SNF which the PAP hasn't even touched before, unlike Chiam and Low.

 

[char_jig_kar]

Because that was your starting line of reasoning when you referred to some opposition and avoided percentages, then stopped mentioning them and came up with 95%. Because you didn't accept that a passing grade can be 51%. Even in some exams, a passing grade is 40/100.

There is a difference between 20%, 55% and 90%, dear. That is why exams are graded with A1, A2, B3 etc. The key is to differentiate those who just pass and scholar types. That's everyone around the world. Why do you think some people feel elated that PAP got only 66% in AMK when it has largely and clearly won.

Now it's become a "thought experiment". Nice. I would think it's harder to get you to stand to your POV than a PAP minister. Think they will need your types as advisors.

low thia khiang didn't mention about how is the grade. but he outright stating that PAP had passing grade. passing grade means passing grade. so what are we debating about? oh, Low meant to say PAP has got C6?? please...

 

[char_jig_kar]

The key word is "country's machinery". You want to make a comparison to see who activates a "country's machinery" more, look at the causes, not the tags of opposition or terrorist. If you don't know that Chee's strategy is to mobilise the "country's machinery" to prove his points, then I don't know where you have been all the while.

There are opposition like DPP and SNF which the PAP hasn't even touched before, unlike Chiam and Low.

haha... the country's machinery is under Chee control? please. its under the PAP control not chee.

 

[Perspective]

low thia khiang didn't mention about how is the grade. but he outright stating that PAP had passing grade. passing grade means passing grade.

When you could take one figure of 95% as a "thought experiment", you could take a passing grade of 50% to 100% (51 figures altogether) as a conclusion. That's amazing.

so what are we debating about? oh, Low meant to say PAP has got C6?? please...

Exactly. Finally we are getting somewhere.

 

[Perspective]

haha... the country's machinery is under Chee control? please. its under the PAP control not chee.

Did I say the country machinery is under Chee control??? Goodness.

 

[char_jig_kar]

Did I say the country machinery is under Chee control??? Goodness.

u said Chee's strategy is to mobilize the country's machinery. who could do that except those in control of the country's machinery??

 

[char_jig_kar]

When you could take one figure of 95% as a "thought experiment", you could take a passing grade of 50% to 100% (51 figures altogether) as a conclusion. That's amazing.

when low talk about PAP's performance, is it about a tot experiment?

 

[Perspective]

when low talk about PAP's performance, is it about a tot experiment?

The focus is on you, not him. If you can't conclude that he wasn't into a "thought experiment", you can't conclude that it was a "thought experiment" either.

Same goes for the hundred times the opposition has opposed the PAP is 5% and few times "agreeing" is 95% agreeing.

 

[scroobal]

before we go on..

do u agree with my logic? that we Opposition supporters, shouldn't vote for people who adore LKY and find the PAP outlooks and philosophies, say, 95% of it agreeable?

Your logic is fine if you prefer the PAP. If not , you may want to state examples why the other opposition parties are close or no different to the PAP.

 

[char_jig_kar]

when Mr Low Thia Khiang gave the PAP govt a passing grade, thats his assessment. its not a thought experiment.

now, the WP apologist, suggesting that there are all kind of grades, when we talk about passing grades... come on. passing grade means passing grade. it means the PAP had pass according Low. don't tell me Low meant to say C6,and for some institution C6 is a failure??? come on...

 

[char_jig_kar]

The focus is on you, not him. If you can't conclude that he wasn't into a "thought experiment", you can't conclude that it was a "thought experiment" either.

Same goes for the hundred times the opposition has opposed the PAP is 5% and few times "agreeing" is 95% agreeing.

i have my conclusion. its not a tot experiment. i am just being polite with u.