New Romance of 3 Kingdom serial drama is out

[Ramseth]

Lu Bu was the real hero. Liu Bei, Guan Yu, Zhang Fei fought him three-to-one to a draw at Hulaoguan. After that, Liu Bei very weary of him, and accorded courtesy. Guan Yu and Zhang Fei still not happy, but resorted to high-moral insults only, dared not fight him anymore. In fact, at Xiapi, Zhang Fei was crushed by Lu Bu once again (though of course aided by the scheming of Chen Gong). Lu Bu could have killed Zhang Fei there and then, but let him go run refuge to Xiaopei. Most probably because Chen Gong reminded him, that would mean all out war with Liu Bei which they couldn't afford yet. He heeded the advice well. Zhang Fei so madcow, only cowered by Lu Bu.

 

[elephanto]

Lu Bu was the real hero.

PUI ! 三性奴家吕布 ！“Slave with 3 surnames: 吕，丁，董” ！:(

 

[Ramseth]

PUI ! 三性奴家吕布 ！“Slave with 3 surnames: 吕，丁，董” ！:(

Yeah, Zhang Fei damn childish, fight lose already, resort to name calling, Ludingdong!

Name calling not uncommon in Three Kingdoms, especially with Cao Cao.

Zhang Fei a bit cockeyed. Cao Cao liked to call him 环眼贼。

Zhuge Liang from farmland village, Cao Cao liked to call him peasant, 诸葛村夫。

Sun Quan eyes a bit brownish for typical Chinese, Cao Cao liked to call him 碧眼小儿。

 

[Ramseth]

PUI ! 三性奴家吕布 ！“Slave with 3 surnames: 吕，丁，董” ！:(

Guan Yu never really scolded or insulted Lu Bu after in heart he knew he was no match for Lu Bu in fair combat. Though he did on moral grounds, insisted that Lu Bu had no moral and couldn't be trusted. He paid Lu Bu the greatest posthumous compliment by taking over his Red Rabbit horse. Of all things Cao Cao gifted him during his captivity by Cao Cao, he rejected everything except for this horse.

The surface reason given was that he needed a fast horse to go look for Liu Bei, which was of course crap. His two sisters-in-law needed to travel in sedan carriages, what fast horse was he talking about? The reason was unspoken but obvious. He wanted to ride on the horse of the greatest warrior he'd ever seen before.

 

[RonRon]

Guan Yu never really scolded or insulted Lu Bu after in heart he knew he was no match for Lu Bu in fair combat. Though he did on moral grounds, insisted that Lu Bu had no moral and couldn't be trusted. He paid Lu Bu the greatest posthumous compliment by taking over his Red Rabbit horse. Of all things Cao Cao gifted him during his captivity by Cao Cao, he rejected everything except for this horse.

The surface reason given was that he needed a fast horse to go look for Liu Bei, which was of course crap. His two sisters-in-law needed to travel in sedan carriages, what fast horse was he talking about? The reason was unspoken but obvious. He wanted to ride on the horse of the greatest warrior he'd ever seen before.

Why are you so serious in a fictional story? The " San ying zhang LuBu" didn't occur in history

 

[Ramseth]

Why are you so serious in a fictional story? The " San ying zhang LuBu" didn't occur in history

Is it? But whatever. A Lu Bu personal combat defeat never occurred in history too. It's recorded in history that he was captured by his own men who betrayed him and handed over to Cao Cao. Cao Cao was very smart, didn't let him live on.

 

[Trout]

He paid Lu Bu the greatest posthumous compliment by taking over his Red Rabbit horse. Of all things Cao Cao gifted him during his captivity by Cao Cao, he rejected everything except for this horse.

The surface reason given was that he needed a fast horse to go look for Liu Bei, which was of course crap. His two sisters-in-law needed to travel in sedan carriages, what fast horse was he talking about? The reason was unspoken but obvious. He wanted to ride on the horse of the greatest warrior he'd ever seen before.

They said the "Red Bunny/Hare" (Chi Tu) was supposed to an euphemism for some lady that Lu Bu was banging that Guan Yu fancied (perhaps the mythical Diao Chan).

"You want the thing Lu Bu was riding? The one he rides in the day or the one he rides at night?" asked Cao Cao

 

[Ramseth]

They said the "Red Bunny/Hare" (Chi Tu) was supposed to an euphemism for some lady that Lu Bu was banging that Guan Yu fancied (perhaps the mythical Diao Chan).

"You want the thing Lu Bu was riding? The one he rides in the day or the one he rides at night?" asked Cao Cao

Hahaha!!! Of course Lu Bu preferred to ride Dian Chan at night. Jokes aside. Chi Tu was the best horse in Dong Zuo stable. Dong Zuo gave it to Lu Bu in exchange for pledge of loyalty and to kill Ding Yuan. A warrior appreciates a good horse more than anyone else could. However, Wang Yun came up with something better to screw Dong Zuo up, threw Diao Chan into the equation. A hero couldn't resist a beauty either.

 

[Trout]

Hahaha!!! Of course Lu Bu preferred to ride Dian Chan at night. Jokes aside. Chi Tu was the best horse in Dong Zuo stable. Dong Zuo gave it to Lu Bu in exchange for pledge of loyalty and to kill Ding Yuan. A warrior appreciates a good horse more than anyone else could. However, Wang Yun came up with something better to screw Dong Zuo up, threw Diao Chan into the equation. A hero couldn't resist a beauty either.

Well, Chi Tu was too long lived for a horse...180ish till 221. That's 35-40 yrs for an Equine...war horses don't live that long.

Diao Chan's real name was supposed to be Ren Hongchang. And you know the saying...pao mazhi (chasing skirts)...

Also, there were supposedly 2 tombs discovered for Diao Chan...
One in Shanxi, one in Chengdu. Why Chengdu, your guess is as good as mine...

Cheers,
Trout

 

[Ramseth]

Lu Bu was orphaned as a kid and escaped alone into the forests when his family (also warlords) was wiped out in a disastrous defeat. He lived and survived amongst wolves and tigers till his teenage when Ding Yuan (who was family friend and could be considered uncle) happened to find him and brought him back to civilisation and nobility as his foster son. Of course, only later to be killed by him.

Lu Bu's lance was fangtian huaji 方天画戟 。He has never been defeated in combat fighting with that. His archery was also Three-Kingdom tops. He shot an arrow through the little aperture of his own 方天画戟 to save Liu Bei from Cao Cao.

 

[Alamaking]

Is it? But whatever. A Lu Bu personal combat defeat never occurred in history too. It's recorded in history that he was captured by his own men who betrayed him and handed over to Cao Cao. Cao Cao was very smart, didn't let him live on.

I thought Cao Cao wanna use him? but Liu Bei advised Cao Cao that Lu Bu cannot be trusted.

 

[Ramseth]

I thought Cao Cao wanna use him? but Liu Bei advised Cao Cao that Lu Bu cannot be trusted.

Cao Cao would kill Lu Bu anyway. It was obvious. Asking Liu Bei for advice was for show only as diplomacy and test, since Liu Bei and Lu Bu allied against Cao Cao before. Liu Bei had no answer other than to kill Lu Bu. If he spoke for Lu Bu, he himself could be in danger too. Remember 煮酒论英雄？Cao Cao never trusted Liu Bei too anyway.

 

[Sperminator]

Dear Ramseth,

Please do continue with the Romance of the 3 Kingdoms story.

May I ask your good opinion, of the entire Romance of the 3 Kingdoms, which of the 3 KINGS, namely Sun Quan (WU), Liu Bei (SHU), Cao Cao (WEI).

Which of the above do you think is the mightiest, overall?

I find that learning Romance of the 3 Kingdoms is equivalent of political training, leadership training, strategem training. This is intriguing.

And after reading your posts, I can feel that you've been studying this topic for years. Please share with us. I would love to read your well analyzed views.

 

[Ramseth]

Lu Bu's lance was fangtian huaji 方天画戟 。He has never been defeated in combat fighting with that. His archery was also Three-Kingdom tops. He shot an arrow through the little aperture of his own 方天画戟 to save Liu Bei from Cao Cao.

When Liu Bei answered Cao Cao, Lu Bu should be killed, Lu Bu's last words were "you fucking ingrate hypocrite, I saved you from him and now you tell him to kill me?" Liu Bei turned and looked away as Lu Bu was executed. A hero's death no less. Famous last words in history. Lu Bu might be the best fighter in wild and brute sense, killing many in combats and battlefields. But it's the political considerations and deliberations that are more cruel and inhumane.

 

[Ramseth]

Dear Ramseth,

Please do continue with the Romance of the 3 Kingdoms story.

May I ask your good opinion, of the entire Romance of the 3 Kingdoms, which of the 3 KINGS, namely Sun Quan (WU), Liu Bei (SHU), Cao Cao (WEI).

Which of the above do you think is the mightiest, overall?

I find that learning Romance of the 3 Kingdoms is equivalent of political training, leadership training, strategem training. This is intriguing.

And after reading your posts, I can feel that you've been studying this topic for years. Please share with us. I would love to read your well analyzed views.

Thanks for the compliments. I'm just sharing whatever I know. As for the mightiest, the answer is of course none. It was practically and literally a tripod stalemate, in Chinese we say 三足鼎立 or 三分天下. The cause was of course Liu Bei and Zhuge Lliang. If they'd forget about it, there wouldn't have been such a scenario as the Three Kingdoms. But Liu Bei banking on the Liu imperial family lineage wouldn't let it go just like that.

Sun Jian, Sun Ce and Sun Quan wanted to be Lord of the territory of Jiangdong only, no real design over imperial usurpation to begin with. They'd happily acknowledge and pay tribute to the Han court. Cao Cao wanted more, yes, to control the Han court and emperor, but still educated and honour conscious enough to put off any thought of usurpation. In a modern sense, Cao Cao really wanted to be a Prime Minister in a constitutional monarchy, not absolute monarchy.

It was Cao Pi who triggered the real era of the three kingdoms by usurping the Han emperor and declaring a new Wei dynasty.

 

[YellowRibbon]

Can anyone explain how one of Zhuge Liang's device work ?

The one with the 8 exits which will confuse the enemies one ?

Sonething like got 8 exit but only one exit is safe, the rest will all die.

 

[Subok]

BTW just for all your info, the old version of Romance of Three Kingdoms, the characters chosen to play the roles of Liu Bei, Guan Yu, Zhang Fei, Zhuge Liang etc, they were not selected anyhow.

The actors were chosen based on the limited drawings, or efigies or statues of these ancient heros left behind. Therefore, I would assume these group of actors are as close as you can get to the resemblance of the actual characters they played.

Judging on the new RTK actors, I would assume the semblance to the ancient characters are not carefully incorporated.

Those who love RTK, SHOULD Visit WU HOU SHI or Temple of Wu's Premier (Zhuge Liang) at Chengdu the ancient SHU kingdom of BA SHU as they commonly call it. When you walked through the temple you can almost sense all the characters of RTK comes alive! I almost cried literally. One of the most touchin fact about the temple is that though it honors Zhuge Liang as he is the main "God" of the temple, situated in the centre, in order to enter into the centre court you need to take a few steps DOWNWARDS towards the main hall of Zhuge Liang. Liu Bei and the rest front the entrance of the temple. Why the main hall is few steps lower? because even till his death, Zhuge Liang still holds high reverence for Liu Bei, his Lord. So even though normally the "God" situated in the centre of temple premises are normally the "higher"God, here in Wu Hou Shi the reverse is true, as Liu Bei is allevated on higher ground that Zhuge Liang even though Liu Bei is in the Temple Front Hall a place normally reserved for the lesser God.

Heart warming story of true brotherhood, virtues, loyalty etc...

 

[Alamaking]

Can anyone explain how one of Zhuge Liang's device work ?

The one with the 8 exits which will confuse the enemies one ?

Sonething like got 8 exit but only one exit is safe, the rest will all die.

Fake 1 lah LOL

 

[Ramseth]

Fake 1 lah LOL

Not really. It was exaggerated in novel but not faked. Zhuge Liang didn't invent it. It was recorded in 易经 more than 3,000 years ago. He just studied it and improvised on it and adapted it for warfare. It's based on life is a maze with eight doors, co-ordinating with the eight cardinal point, N S E W NE NW SE and SW. Life is rotating and so are the points. That's a geographical fact even in modern science. What's north to you in January isn't the same north to you in July as the earth revolves around the sun.

The octagon in stationary form was used for divination in Zhou dynasty era. Later it became a wheel, to reflect the revolution. It's used for military formation and movement, not only by Zhuge Liang but many others too.

 

[Sperminator]

As for the mightiest, the answer is of course none. It was practically and literally a tripod stalemate, in Chinese we say 三足鼎立 or 三分天下.

...

It was Cao Pi who triggered the real era of the three kingdoms by usurping the Han emperor and declaring a new Wei dynasty.

Dear Ramseth,

Thank you for your pointers and explanation. It is indeed revealing and wise to say as such. [No mightiest Kings exist during that time, as it was a Stalemate]

While watching the new Romance of the 3 Kingdom Serial, what I can observe is the following.

Cao Cao, nevertheless was a cold blooded tactician, he was probably one of the best Orators of it's time.

Cao Cao have a gift of the gap, and have managed to win the hearts and loyalty of many generals.

In reflections upon Cao Cao, I really believe that Cao Cao was one of the best in terms of recruitment of Talents, and he had Charisma, and Strong Leadership abilities to influence and lead his own loyal subjects to war.

His love of talents made him truly successful.

And another point I noticed about Cao Cao is that, this guy was truly a Strategic Planner, and Tactical Planner as well.

In the past, when I was in my teens, I always thought that Liu Bei was the HERO, but after watching/reading a little about Romance of the Three Kingdoms, I realized that there was no HEROs in WAR, everyone fighting for their own cause, whoever wins the WAR is KING, and whoever lost the WAR is the TRAITOR.

Liu Bei only have mighty generals and advisors following him after he was around his 50s... when he met up with Zhuge Liang (when he was 27).

In retrospect, Liu Bei is a man of passion, but without any Strategic Plan or whatsoever.

Thanks for your analysis of Cao Cao, he is truly one of it's kind.

Please do continue with the story, and we can re-open, and learn from this magnificent book.