New Romance of 3 Kingdom serial drama is out

[wikiphile]

Mine as follows

最佳战将 ：吕布，马超，赵云

最佳将领 ：周瑜，陆逊，邓艾

最佳军师 ：郭嘉, 周瑜

最佳立业 ：孙策, 曹操

最佳失败 ：董卓，刘表， 刘章 （误信小人刘备！）

最佳枭雄 : 司马仲达

 

[Alamaking]

alamak, spurred by curiosity, just seen Ep 1 of the new ROTK on tudou, is the actor for Zhang Fe, the one you said quite odd, is he the same actor as the one who played 'Black Typhoon' Li Kui in Water Margin ?

errrr.... not sure, not a fan of 水滸傳, never watch, lol

 

[wikiphile]

In 隆中对，诸葛亮 already pointed out diplomatically, there's no possibility of 刘备统一天下，匡扶汉室。Only the possibilty 三分天下有其一。That's why he kept refusing the offer to be 军师， not out humility or arrogance, by out of his own judgment that it'd all be in vain. He was persuaded to take up the task as 三分天下有其一好过一无所有。天时人和地利，总会随时局而变。In the end, the winds of change didn't blow his way.

Even in his lifetime, it was already next to impossible to change the situation of the times. The populace at that time was already suffering from natural diasasters, corruption and heavy taxes at the hands of the Han dynasty, it pretty much did not matter to the peasants who was in charge so long as someone was in charge.

Cao Cao had introduced new land reforms, re-introduced education and provided security for the war refugees who were sick of tired of wars and having to uproot from one place to the other. Generally, the people who were living under the aegis of whoever can provide a better life for them will support whoever is in charge, traitor to a diminishing dynasty or not

I see Cao Cao as an able politician and administrator who was able to correct much of the abuses of the Han Dynasty and enacted reforms to revive a war devastated land.

The same goes for the people living in Wu, many of them were also refugees from the north and appreciated the relatively stability and safety south of the Yangtze provided. Like their counterpart in the north, they probably didn't care who was Emperor for the day so long as they can continue to farm and live their days in stability 天高皇帝远

Liu Bei, on the other hand had opportunities to surrender to Cao Cao and probably assessed that under Cao Cao, he who is related to a fading dynasty would not rise above anything more than the magistrate of a county since the new era belongs to new men who has little or no ties to the previous regime and rose above their station by means of force or the right patron.

Since he has nothing left to lose, why not give it a shot resisting Cao Cao and be the lord of his own independent domain 时势造英雄，英雄造时势

 

[Alamaking]

Hahaha... episode 19, 15 minutes, so funny, 许褚 kenna scolded by Cao Cao, damn funny, hahahaha

The actor acting Cao Cao is damn awesome

 

[singveld]

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[Alamaking]

董承 daughter also quite chio, episode 20, LOL

Btw way, anyone know why suddenly Liu Ce was under Yuan Shu army? i didnt read much about this story between them, the drama also never explain :(

 

[Ramseth]

董承 daughter also quite chio, episode 20, LOL

Btw way, anyone know why suddenly Liu Ce was under Yuan Shu army? i didnt read much about this story between them, the drama also never explain :(

Who's that? Liu Ce? I only know Sun Ce was under Yuan Shu army.

 

[Alamaking]

Who's that? Liu Ce? I only know Sun Ce was under Yuan Shu army.

Paiseh, its Sun Ce, hahaa

 

[wikiphile]

董承 daughter also quite chio, episode 20, LOL

Btw way, anyone know why suddenly Liu Ce was under Yuan Shu army? i didnt read much about this story between them, the drama also never explain :(

Sun Ce joined Yuan Shu's army after his father Sun Jian was killed by Huang Zu. Having no power base of his own at that time, he had to sell his services to one of the most powerful man around the region.

Despite distinguishing himself well in battle, Yuan Shu never fully trusted him and it was only after Sun Ce 'borrowed' 3,000 feeble troops from Yuan Shu by placing the Imperial Seal his father found in the ashes of Luo Yang and joined by his brother Zhou Yu and his private army that Sun Ce began the task of conquering Jiang Dong for himself and laid the foundations for the State of Wu

 

[Alamaking]

Sun Ce joined Yuan Shu's army after his father Sun Jian was killed by Huang Zu. Having no power base of his own at that time, he had to sell his services to one of the most powerful man around the region....

hmmm... i always thought Sun Jian that time already occupy 江东, i guess not, lol :p:p:p

 

[elephanto]

Sun Ce joined Yuan Shu's army after his father Sun Jian was killed by Huang Zu.

Actually, Sun Ce is also one of the characters I admire.
His bro Sun Quan inherited all his painstaking achievements.

Zhou Yu is good buddy of Sun Ce (both married the Qiao sisters).
Another one of Sun Ce's heroic man is the Tai Shi Ci (a monicker used by one of the bros here).

Accepting the Imperial Seal as collateral for providing soldiers, the stupid Yuan Shu under-estimated Sun Ce's potential much to his subsequent regret.

 

[wikiphile]

Actually, Sun Ce is also one of the characters I admire.
His bro Sun Quan inherited all his painstaking achievements.

Zhou Yu is good buddy of Sun Ce (both married the Qiao sisters).
Another one of Sun Ce's heroic man is the Tai Shi Ci (a monicker used by one of the bros here).

Accepting the Imperial Seal as collateral for providing soldiers, the stupid Yuan Shu under-estimated Sun Ce's potential much to his subsequent regret.

His ultimate folly was declaring himself Emperor of the Zhong Dynasty just by posession of the Imperial Seal and opened the way for everybody to whack him left right centre and seize his terrorities in the name of 'punishing' this traitor to the Han Dynasty while it was nothing more than a valid excuse to invade and seize his lands.

Cao Cao followed a much subtle way of becoming de factor ruler of the Han Dynasty using the Emperor as his hostage and ruling in his name.

 

[Ramseth]

hmmm... i always thought Sun Jian that time already occupy 江东, i guess not, lol :p:p:p

Sun Jian family was originally from Jiangdong. He joined the alliance against Cao Cao as equal ally to Yuan Shu etc. under Yuan Shao as alliance leader. His condition, if the alliance beat Cao Cao, was to have the Jiangdong land. That's why his son Sun Ce was so bent on Jiangdong.

Too bad Sun Jian got defeated and killed in battle. Actually, he was sabotaged by Yuan Shu who halted his supply lines as an ally should do. These internal power struggles and sabotages amongst allied troops contributed much to Cao Cao's ultimate victory at Guandu.

It's also lengendary that Sun Jian met his end through his own oath. When Yuan Shao as alliance leader asked him to hand over the Imperial Seal, Sun Jian swore that he didn't have it, otherwise would die in a rain of arrows.

Sun Ce ultimately handed over the Imperial Seal in exchange for troops, between 3,000 to 5,000 amongst varying records. In any case, plus his own loyalist officers and troops, he couldn't have more than 10,000 to begin with. Zhou Yu (his sworn brother since schooling days) was wandering around aimlessly with a small private army amidst the chaos then.

Zhou Yu's reputation in Jiangdong was very good as a gentleman, scholar and warrior. He helped Sun Ce recruited even more troops along the way of entry into Jiangdong. Sun Ce practically took Jiangdong without any serious resistance from the minor warlords there. By the time he's done, the state of Wu was formed and he had more than 50,000 troops to defend it.

That's why Zhou Yu's paramount position in command of the Wu army could never be questioned, even by Sun Quan after Sun Ce's death.

 

[elephanto]

Cao Cao followed a much subtle way of becoming de factor ruler of the Han Dynasty using the Emperor as his hostage and ruling in his name.

My favourite Cao Cao quote:-

宁可我负天下人，也不让天下人负我 !

Rather I fuck all, then all fuck me ! :oIo:

 

[Alamaking]

Too bad Sun Jian got defeated and killed in battle. Actually, he was sabotaged by Yuan Shu who halted his supply lines as an ally should do. These internal power struggles and sabotages amongst allied troops contributed much to Cao Cao's ultimate victory at Guandu.........

Salah lah bro, Sun Jian was killed during war with Liu Biao

 

[wikiphile]

My favourite Cao Cao quote:-

宁可我负天下人，也不让天下人负我 !

Rather I fuck all, then all fuck me ! :oIo:

I think that was how he said it

寧我負人，毋人負我

 

[Ramseth]

Salah lah bro, Sun Jian was killed during war with Liu Biao

Read the part I wrote about oath to rain of arrows. Sun Ce was also killed by arrows, not in battle but by assassins. There's no record or evidence who sent the assassins, but of course, Cao Cao was prime suspect, as a prelude to his move southwards culminating in the famous Battle Of Chibi.

 

[wikiphile]

Read the part I wrote about oath to rain of arrows. Sun Ce was also killed by arrows, not in battle but by assassins. There's no record or evidence who sent the assassins, but of course, Cao Cao was prime suspect.

What a shame he died young and there was no telling what he could achieve were he still alive. I believe that had he been around for a decade or more he would have caused more serious problems than what Yuan Shao or Liu Bei did for Cao Cao.

 

[elephanto]

Another despicable character : Dong Zuo !

rescued by Liu/Guan/Zhang when pursued by the Yellow Turbans, he showed his disdain when he realized there have no official titles ! (dog eye see people low)

Then supreme opportunist that he is, became the Corruptest & Most Powerful One .... even Cao Cao failed in his assassination attempt...

Dong bought over Lu Bu, who became 'turncoat' & returned to murder his own adopted father....

Tiko - fucked Diao Chan & actually don't mind giving away to his adopted son Lu Bu for expediency sake ....

But he had cunning advisors as well, who later drove out Lu Bu...

Unmistakably a BIG TIME ASSHOLE in ROTK !

 

[Ramseth]

But he had cunning advisors as well, who later drove out Lu Bu...

Unmistakably a BIG TIME ASSHOLE in ROTK !

His advisors who advised him to drive away Lu Bu weren't cunning or shrewd by any measure. Never learned the lesson of Ding Yuan. Lu Bu simply came back and killed them all, including Dong Zuo of course.

Lu Bu was the top individual warrior and killer without equal in three-kingdom history, indeed whole Chinese history. He'd kill anyone readily if he felt f*ck*d, and he was capable of killing anyone. Even Guan Yu and Zhang Fei were no match for him one to one.

Dong Zuo was equally cruel and cold-blooded but he was no warrior, just a warlord. He had to rely on others to kill people for him. Dong Zuo as warlord and Lu Bu as warrior was a hell-sent combination that's difficult to beat, but they had to screw it up over Diao Chan, courtesy of Wang Yun.

Cao Cao learned the lesson. Once got opportunity to have Lu Bu under captivity, that's rare to comeby, kill him first.