Ms Lo Hwei Yen

[TracyTan866]

Didn't you ever heard of the saying, "Silence means consent"?

Not true.

There is a place for "No comments", especially if no one asked for your comment. Your silence doesnt necessarily mean tt you consent to a situation

 

[TracyTan866]

Silent USUALLY means consent but not ALL the time. Even our courts don't buy silent as consent. Need I say more?

Nobody here said if LHL kept his mouth shut, Hwei Yen would surely live. We were questioning the sanity of LHL and why was there a need to be so kancheong in something which would NEVER result in a win-win for all parties involved - LHL, Hwei Yen, her family, terrorists, Indian govt.

Why don't take chances by keeping quiet and leaving the end result to God instead of trying to play God himself? I still fail to see any positive why he had to condemn the act when his citizen's life was no longer in PAP's hands. Why don't we interview terrorism experts and see if they agree with our great PM? Try overseas scholars coz their hands aren't tied and mouths not shut.

The terrorists were no fools. Even if LHL had issued a statement condemning the Indian govt and praising the terrorists, do you honestly think the terrorists would free Hwei Yen? I doubt so.

The point here is, never exacerbate a crisis especially one when you are not holding the aces. The best option is to remain quiet, be humble and offer motherhood statements which can never be wrong. For example, 'Together with the Indian government, we are working hard to arrive at a mutually beneficial conclusion to this unfortunate incident'. You think the terrorists would be angry with this statement? Better still, don't make any statements.

Well said and rational

 

[Devil Within]

Not true.

There is a place for "No comments", especially if no one asked for your comment. Your silence doesnt necessarily mean tt you consent to a situation

If you think by saying "no comment" will save Hwei Yen, then you are more delusional than those terrorist.

PM Lee might be stupid for many things, but this is one thing I don't think he did any wrong.

 

[TracyTan866]

If you think that just being quiet will save Hwei Yen, then you are no smarter than those dumb fuck terrorist. Hwei Yen got no chance of survival when those idiots stomped into her room. The terrorist mission was to kill everyone and anyone that walk regardless of who say what or don't say what.

I suggest you watch this documentary in full.

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Or you can watch it in youtube all the parts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW1dZfWwe20&feature=related
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I disagree with you,

Many hostages were unharmed because they have wise leaders who chose not to aggravate the situation.

Unlike you, I dont agree that Hwei Yen wld be dead for sure, whether lhl condemned the terrorists or not. That's pure speculation on your part

 

[heartlander]

If you think by saying "no comment" will save Hwei Yen, then you are more delusional than those terrorist.

PM Lee might be stupid for many things, but this is one thing I don't think he did any wrong.

There are times when holding onto ideals and principles isn't necessarily the right thing to do. It's clear that the nuances are lost on you.

 

[GoldenDragon]

What is right, is right, what is wrong, is wrong. You don't pretend it is alright when it is wrong.

I find nothing wrong in condemning terrorist acts. Yes, he might have hold it till Hwei Yen was confirmed killed, but I don't think with holding condemnation will save her anyway.

If only life was measured in just black or white. There are many grey areas too. Perhaps even more than all the blacks and whites combined together.

As to "pretend it is alright when it is wrong', please note that everybody is wayanging here and there, including our MIW!!! All politicians wayang. Even religious leaders wayang. That's life, the world's a stage, as Shakespeare rightly noted.

I am all for condemning acts of terrorism. It is the timing which I am sure most people are uncomfortable with. There was absolutely no gain or potential gain involved.

I doubt if any political scientist or terrorism expert would agree with what LHL did and said.

 

[Devil Within]

So what did we gain from condemning the terrorists so strongly. Who do you think remembers? Nobody. And we had already carried the right balls for a long time, and on top of that one of our citizens were being held hostage. We would not be damaged or criticized even if we had just kept quiet. A choice was clearly made at that time to take chances with a Singaporean's life in exchange for a marginal and temporary gain in our country's standing. Tell me, is that right or wrong? It's alarming that you don't find any problem with that.

If you think those idiots terrorist can talk any sense and let your people go free just because you don't comment, you do not know and do not understand their motive. Their motive is to make a statement by killing people. They are not there to make friends. They are not your usual filipino hostage taker who just want to get his job back. They are killer zombies. And they are there to kill themselves AFTER they killed their hostages.

 

[TracyTan866]

If you think by saying "no comment" will save Hwei Yen, then you are more delusional than those terrorist.

PM Lee might be stupid for many things, but this is one thing I don't think he did any wrong.

You are putting words in my mouth. I didnt say that lhl wld have saved Hwei yen by saying "no Comments".

what i said was lhl shd not have made stupid remarks in such a tense situation. and the fact is Hwei Yen was chosen to be killed after his stupid remarks. was that a coincidence? or did lhl pissed off the terrorists?

are you still insisting that lhl was right to provoke the terrorists during the hostage drama?

 

[TracyTan866]

If you think those idiots terrorist can talk any sense and let your people go free just because you don't comment, you do not know and do not understand their motive. Their motive is to make a statement by killing people. They are not there to make friends. They are not your usual filipino hostage taker who just want to get his job back. They are killer zombies. And they are there to kill themselves AFTER they killed their hostages.

are you claiming that you know the terrorists' motives? and only you undertsand them?

do you insist that lhl's comments didnt affect them?

 

[Devil Within]

You are putting words in my mouth. I didnt say that lhl wld have saved Hwei yen by saying "no Comments".

what i said was lhl shd not have made stupid remarks in such a tense situation. and the fact is Hwei Yen was chosen to killed after his stupid remarks.

are you still insisting that lhl was right to provoke the terrorists during the hostage drama?

Hwei Yen was chosen to be killed is not because of LHL statement. Whether LHL make any statement or not, Hwei Yen is mark to die from the moment she was captured.

 

[TracyTan866]

I am all for condemning acts of terrorism. It is the timing which I am sure most people are uncomfortable with. There was absolutely no gain or potential gain involved.

I doubt if any political scientist or terrorism expert would agree with what LHL did and said.

Absolutely.

There is a correct place and correct time to comment

 

[heartlander]

If you think those idiots terrorist can talk any sense and let your people go free just because you don't comment, you do not know and do not understand their motive. Their motive is to make a statement by killing people. They are not there to make friends. They are not your usual filipino hostage taker who just want to get his job back. They are killer zombies. And they are there to kill themselves AFTER they killed their hostages.

And you would know all that DURING the hostage crisis? Next time another crisis occurs, I suggest you offer your pearls of wisdom as well. Also, next time you get robbed at knifepoint, do read your wonderful speeches to the robber as well, since there's also no hope anyway. You can tell just by looking, after all, that anyone who shows some form of murderous intent is completely out to kill you. You seem to like getting blood on your hands.

 

[Devil Within]

are you claiming that you know the terrorists' motives? and only you undertsand them?

do you insist that lhl's comments didnt affect them?

Are you claiming that you know the terrorist will release Hwei Yen if LHL don't make that statement?

Didn't you watch the documentary? It was so clear that they were there to kill everyone and then kill themselves to make a statement.

 

[GoldenDragon]

I disagree with you,

Many hostages were unharmed because they have wise leaders who chose not to aggravate the situation.

Unlike you, I dont agree that Hwei Yen wld be dead for sure, whether lhl condemned the terrorists or not. That's pure speculation on your part

Agree. Even if Hwei Yen had only 1% chance of survival, GIVE HER THAT CHANCE. It is the same as a game of baccarat, If you bet on banker and player opens to a natural 9, you don't walk away. You stay put, keep your fingers crossed that your banker would also be natural 9, however slim the chances may be. In a nutshell, as long as the result is not known, whatever the overwhelming odds against oneself, you still stand a chance.

 

[TracyTan866]

There are times when holding onto ideals and principles isn't necessarily the right thing to do. It's clear that the nuances are lost on you.

I agree with you.

A good comment said at the wrong time causes more damage and heartaches. That's where wisdom differs from stupidity. That's where men are differentiated from boys.

lhl showed that he is stupid and still a boy clinging on to his father's apron

 

[heartlander]

Are you claiming that you know the terrorist will release Hwei Yen if LHL don't make that statement?

Didn't you watch the documentary? It was so clear that they were there to kill everyone and then kill themselves to make a statement.

Nobody is claiming with certainty what would have happened. You are missing the entire point. The point is what went through LHL's mind when he made the decision to condemn.

 

[TracyTan866]

Agree. Even if Hwei Yen had only 1% chance of survival, GIVE HER THAT CHANCE. It is the same as a game of baccarat, If you bet on banker and player opens to a natural 9, you don't walk away. You stay put, keep your fingers crossed that your banker would also be natural 9, however slim the chances may be. In a nutshell, as long as the result is not known, whatever the overwhelming odds against oneself, you still stand a chance.

Yes, Hwei Yen deserved all the chance she could get. We owe it to her. but one stupid man spoiledthe whole thing.

I grieve for her

 

[Devil Within]

And you would know all that DURING the hostage crisis? Next time another crisis occurs, I suggest you offer your pearls of wisdom as well. Also, next time you get robbed at knifepoint, do read your wonderful speeches to the robber as well, since there's also no hope anyway. You can tell just by looking, after all, that anyone who shows some form of murderous intent is completely out to kill you. You seem to like getting blood on your hands.

Again, you don't know the difference between a Muslim terrorist and a normal small time robber or a filipino ex-cop hijacker. Different situation call for different action. In the Muslim terrorist situation, there is no way out. They are there to kill no matter what you say or don't say.

Try talking to those dumb fucks who fly the airplanes into the building. See if they are willing to let you go free just because you become their friend.

 

[GoldenDragon]

If you think those idiots terrorist can talk any sense and let your people go free just because you don't comment, you do not know and do not understand their motive. Their motive is to make a statement by killing people. They are not there to make friends. They are not your usual filipino hostage taker who just want to get his job back. They are killer zombies. And they are there to kill themselves AFTER they killed their hostages.

Your assumption that all hostages are killed once terrorists take over is completely wrong. If your assumption is correct, we won't have PrataMan as our Elected President today.

PrataMan volunteered to be a hostage in the 1973 Laju incident. He enjoyed a free plane ride. The original hostagers are still alive. I mean they may be dead from cancer, heart attacks, strokes, old age whatever. But they were not killed onboard in 1973. I am 100% sure not ALL hostages were sent to the mortuaries for ALL terrorist cases.

 

[TracyTan866]

Nobody is claiming with certainty what would have happened. You are missing the entire point. The point is what went through LHL's mind when he made the decision to condemn.

Yes, I agree with you that DevilWithin missed then gist of the argument.

or is he trying to defend lhl's undefensible position? It makes him sound so silly