Ms Lo Hwei Yen

[Devil Within]

You missed the point. Nobody is able to predict whether Hwei Yen will be alive if LHL didn't try to be a hero. The point is, why exacerbate a crisis when you are helpless and when you can choose to remain silent? Was there an urgent need to issue that statement? If by issuing a statement that MAY spare Hwei Yen's life, I say, GO FOR IT. You condemn an act of terror and expect benefits from them?

You mean you can approve an act of terror to other innocent people so that one of your own people MIGHT be spared? Makes me wonder if you are one of those dumb fuck Muslim terrorist.

If PM Lee do that, then you idiots will come and say how can he say such stupid things and all those jazz.

 

[TracyTan866]

i dont even under his

"mee siam mai hum" dunno what the fuck is he saying

hahaha. you didnt understand his "mee siam mai hum" . neither did I nor many singaporeans.

but, his condemnation of the terrorist was understood by the terrorists. that's tragedy to Hwei Yen

 

[GoldenDragon]

You mean you can approve an act of terror to other innocent people so that one of your own people MIGHT be spared? Makes me wonder if you are one of those dumb fuck Muslim terrorist.

If PM Lee do that, then you idiots will come and say how can he say such stupid things and all those jazz.

Being silent doesn't mean you support or disapprove of terrorism. Being silent at that critical stage merely means you are doing nothing so as to avoid worse things from happening.

You mean all the other world leaders were stupid coz they kept quiet? Only LHL intelligent enough? There are times when you can shout to the world how intelligent you are. There are times when you eat humble pie to have a chance to live another day.

No worries. I am Chinese and am a pacifist not a terrorist. If any of my relatives were under threat, I won't condemn the act. I would try to slow talk and tcss make the bad chap happy coz my only objective is to save the live(s) of my loved ones.

 

[TracyTan866]

Do you really think that Hwei Yen would be spared if PM Lee kept quiet? "

That is a rhetoric question and no one knows.

But what a wise leader shd do is not to aggravate the already tense situation when his citizen's life is endangered. Any psychologist can tell you that by condemning and agitating the hostage takers is not a wise thing. Did you hear other world leaders doing what lhl did?

 

[TracyTan866]

Being silent doesn't mean you support or disapprove of terrorism. Being silent at that critical stage merely means you are doing nothing so as to avoid worse things from happening.

You mean all the other world leaders were stupid coz they kept quiet? Only LHL intelligent enough? There are times when you can shout to the world how intelligent you are. There are times when you eat humble pie to have a chance to live another day.

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Well said. What we expect lhl to do was not to do anything that could endanger Hwei Yen's life and make a bad situation worse. He had to assume that the hostage takers were irrational, radical and willing to kill. and if he assumed them to be so, saying what he said was silly and stupid.

Look at other world leaders. They acted wisely, unlike lhl

 

[TracyTan866]

Hwei Yen got killed because of dumb fucks like you sympathising with Muslim terrorist. Islam should be banned just like how they banned Communist in USA. It corrupts the mind of the weak and turn them into killer zombies.

who is symphatising with terrorist. what i said was wise leader will not jeopardise his citizens' lives by making stupid rhetoric comments that have no value and no usefulness except to agitate and irritate hostage takers

 

[GoldenDragon]

Well said. What we expect lhl to do was not to do anything that could endanger Hwei Yen's life and make a bad situation worse. He had to assume that the hostage takers were irrational, radical and willing to kill. and if he assumed them to be so, saying what he said was silly and stupid.

Look at other world leaders. They acted wisely, unlike lhl

Till now, I have yet to decipher why he said what he said. It was a lose-lose bet once he condemned the terrorists. If he had kept silent, we never know.

I read with keen interest what Mahathir has to say about terrorism and terrorists. He is a shrewd chap. While he never praises terrorists and terrorism, he has yet to openly condemn them. That's why I travel by M'sian Airline coz if ever there are casualties, it won't be the work of terrorists.

Our leaders, Shanmugam recently, boasted how we are a prized target for terrorists and yet not a victim coz of our competency in handling this threat. I am afraid I don't share his views.

It is 'when' and 'where' and that day may be soon. Even if we are super efficient, which we aren't, why the need to issue an indirect challenge when you can't even handle a detainee like MSK, can't figure out what happened from escape till capture.

 

[TracyTan866]

Till now, I have yet to decipher why he said what he said. It was a lose-lose bet once he condemned the terrorists. If he had kept silent, we never know.

Considering the tense situation at that time, what lhl said, the time he said it and the way he said it was utter studipity.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Considering the tense situation at that time, what lhl said, the time he said it and the way he said it was utter studipity.

You are being kind - just utter stupidity???

 

[TracyTan866]

Our leaders, Shanmugam recently, boasted how we are a prized target for terrorists and yet not a victim coz of our competency in handling this threat. I am afraid I don't share his views.

.

Like you, I dont agree with Shanmugum.

After his dismal performance in Parliament and his poor attempt to lie abt Mas Selamat's case, I have no respect for him. We have to take what Shan said with a huge dose of salt. He was not telling the whole truth and tried to snake his way out

 

[TracyTan866]

You are being kind - just utter stupidity???

hahaha..i am not good in strong words. my vocabulary is limited.

what wld you describe his stupidity?

 

[GoldenDragon]

hahaha..i am not good in strong words. my vocabulary is limited.

what wld you describe his stupidity?

Like you, my England vocab is limited. But my Hokkien vocab not too bad. You are a female and I won't go into the Hokkien equivalent of my description of LHL's stupidity. Have a great weekend. Cheers.

 

[TracyTan866]

Like you, my England vocab is limited. But my Hokkien vocab not too bad. You are a female and I won't go into the Hokkien equivalent of my description of LHL's stupidity. Have a great weekend. Cheers.

hahaha...thanks

have a great weekend too!!

 

[Devil Within]

Being silent doesn't mean you support or disapprove of terrorism. Being silent at that critical stage merely means you are doing nothing so as to avoid worse things from happening.

You mean all the other world leaders were stupid coz they kept quiet? Only LHL intelligent enough? There are times when you can shout to the world how intelligent you are. There are times when you eat humble pie to have a chance to live another day.

No worries. I am Chinese and am a pacifist not a terrorist. If any of my relatives were under threat, I won't condemn the act. I would try to slow talk and tcss make the bad chap happy coz my only objective is to save the live(s) of my loved ones.

Didn't you ever heard of the saying, "Silence means consent"?

Like I've said, whether PM Lee condemn or not, Hwei Yen is dead for sure. They are not called terrorist for nothing.

Again, in the document, there were another couple killed even after hours of communication and trying to pacify those idiots. And those idiots promising to let them go only to kill them the next day cos they had no intention to let anyone go alive.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Didn't you ever heard of the saying, "Silence means consent"?

Like I've said, whether PM Lee condemn or not, Hwei Yen is dead for sure. They are not called terrorist for nothing.

Again, in the document, there were another couple killed even after hours of communication and trying to pacify those idiots. And those idiots promising to let them go only to kill them the next day cos they had no intention to let anyone go alive.

Silent USUALLY means consent but not ALL the time. Even our courts don't buy silent as consent. Need I say more?

Nobody here said if LHL kept his mouth shut, Hwei Yen would surely live. We were questioning the sanity of LHL and why was there a need to be so kancheong in something which would NEVER result in a win-win for all parties involved - LHL, Hwei Yen, her family, terrorists, Indian govt.

Why don't take chances by keeping quiet and leaving the end result to God instead of trying to play God himself? I still fail to see any positive why he had to condemn the act when his citizen's life was no longer in PAP's hands. Why don't we interview terrorism experts and see if they agree with our great PM? Try overseas scholars coz their hands aren't tied and mouths not shut.

The terrorists were no fools. Even if LHL had issued a statement condemning the Indian govt and praising the terrorists, do you honestly think the terrorists would free Hwei Yen? I doubt so.

The point here is, never exacerbate a crisis especially one when you are not holding the aces. The best option is to remain quiet, be humble and offer motherhood statements which can never be wrong. For example, 'Together with the Indian government, we are working hard to arrive at a mutually beneficial conclusion to this unfortunate incident'. You think the terrorists would be angry with this statement? Better still, don't make any statements.

 

[TracyTan866]

Like I've said, whether PM Lee condemn or not, Hwei Yen is dead for sure. They are not called terrorist for nothing.

Your saying above is totally without basis. Many hostages were unharmed by the terrorists.

Have you ever asked the question.."Why was Hwei Yen chosen to be shot after lhl's silly bravado condemnation? Why were other hostages not killed like Hwei Yen?" If you had asked, it may have helped you get a better understanding

 

[Devil Within]

who is symphatising with terrorist. what i said was wise leader will not jeopardise his citizens' lives by making stupid rhetoric comments that have no value and no usefulness except to agitate and irritate hostage takers

If you think that just being quiet will save Hwei Yen, then you are no smarter than those dumb fuck terrorist. Hwei Yen got no chance of survival when those idiots stomped into her room. The terrorist mission was to kill everyone and anyone that walk regardless of who say what or don't say what.

I suggest you watch this documentary in full.

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Or you can watch it in youtube all the parts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW1dZfWwe20&feature=related
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[Devil Within]

Silent USUALLY means consent but not ALL the time. Even our courts don't buy silent as consent. Need I say more?

Nobody here said if LHL kept his mouth shut, Hwei Yen would surely live. We were questioning the sanity of LHL and why was there a need to be so kancheong in something which would NEVER result in a win-win for all parties involved - LHL, Hwei Yen, her family, terrorists, Indian govt.

Why don't take chances by keeping quiet and leaving the end result to God instead of trying to play God himself? I still fail to see any positive why he had to condemn the act when his citizen's life was no longer in PAP's hands. Why don't we interview terrorism experts and see if they agree with our great PM? Try overseas scholars coz their hands aren't tied and mouths not shut.

The terrorists were no fools. Even if LHL had issued a statement condemning the Indian govt and praising the terrorists, do you honestly think the terrorists would free Hwei Yen? I doubt so.

The point here is, never exacerbate a crisis especially one when you are not holding the aces. The best option is to remain quiet, be humble and offer motherhood statements which can never be wrong. For example, 'Together with the Indian government, we are working hard to arrive at a mutually beneficial conclusion to this unfortunate incident'. You think the terrorists would be angry with this statement? Better still, don't make any statements.

What is right, is right, what is wrong, is wrong. You don't pretend it is alright when it is wrong.

I find nothing wrong in condemning terrorist acts. Yes, he might have hold it till Hwei Yen was confirmed killed, but I don't think with holding condemnation will save her anyway.

 

[Devil Within]

Your saying above is totally without basis. Many hostages were unharmed by the terrorists.

Have you ever asked the question.."Why was Hwei Yen chosen to be shot after lhl's silly bravado condemnation? Why were other hostages not killed like Hwei Yen?" If you had asked, it may have helped you get a better understanding

Have you watched the documentary? Many hostages were unharmed cos they escaped from not being caught. Those detained, majority got no chance.

 

[heartlander]

What is right, is right, what is wrong, is wrong. You don't pretend it is alright when it is wrong.

I find nothing wrong in condemning terrorist acts. Yes, he might have hold it till Hwei Yen was confirmed killed, but I don't think with holding condemnation will save her anyway.

So what did we gain from condemning the terrorists so strongly. Who do you think remembers? Nobody. And we had already carried the right balls for a long time, and on top of that one of our citizens were being held hostage. We would not be damaged or criticized even if we had just kept quiet. A choice was clearly made at that time to take chances with a Singaporean's life in exchange for a marginal and temporary gain in our country's standing. Tell me, is that right or wrong? It's alarming that you don't find any problem with that.