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Going Back to Tanaka and Zhou EnLai in 1972 on the Senkaku Issue.

For those who are interest, also mention by drifter in keeping an open mind, as for those who mention mao killing 30 million chinese that is another subject you can start a thread on that, i don't like the Great leap forward which was started by Mao wife, but at the same time there are pro to communist taking over China during those time.

I try to follow up on what the researcher wrote on the Nanking Massacre, interesting reading, here is the link.....:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nanjing_Massacre/Archives/2005#photos
 
For those who are interest, also mention by drifter in keeping an open mind, as for those who mention mao killing 30 million chinese that is another subject you can start a thread on that, i don't like the Great leap forward which was started by Mao wife, but at the same time there are pro to communist taking over China during those time.

I try to follow up on what the researcher wrote on the Nanking Massacre, interesting reading, here is the link.....:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nanjing_Massacre/Archives/2005#photos


Thanks for the link .. Going to read it .
 
mao's thanking of the japs isn't really one of gratitude. It's not like you thanking a person that saved your life. It's like you thanking say maybe a bear that ate up a robber that was going to kill you for example. Did the bear really plan to save you? Of course not. Were the japs actually helping the communists? No of course not. It was just a stroke of luck for the communists that the japs chose to invade at that time that prevented the communists from being wiped out by the GMD. I'm not really sure if there's such a term to describe thanking someone or something that saved you from a situation that was in your favor but i am sure we are all intelligent enough to discern someone that actively wanted to help us intentionally or someone that saved us due to circumstances like a driver of a car that accidentally knocks down a big dog that is going to bite someone. The japanese invasion aided the CCP was due to the latter incident's example.
 
If the rape of nanking was false we would have heard accounts from the citizens that would have given glowing accounts of the japs according to that japanese pastor who claimed the chinese citizens of nanking welcomed the jap invading army. Take the book the rape of nanking written by iris chang. She is the daughter of immigrants to the US. Now the chinese govt tries to cover up things yes, but iris parents who emigrated from china did not ever claim that it was chinese propaganda nor have i ever heard of such cases of the chinese govt faking the rape of nanking. If the rape of nanking was false why would immigrants from china all follow the same story and claim the rapes committed all those attrocities? Also remember it was stated that the japanese were welcomed as heroes. If that were the case there would be conflicting accounts coming from the chinese side. I have never ever read of any chinese person that has written something like this" my father/grandfather was in nanjing at that time and we welcomed the invading japanese army that helped us fight our own evil army. If the japanese army was indeed such a welcome sight there would have been many chinese accounts that would have surfaced.

Japanese cruelty during ww2 is very well known. Hell they fought in almost the entire pacific theatre. They even bombed pearl harbor. They used kamikazi attacks on US ships. Koreans, filippinos, aussies, brits, americans, gurkhas, chinese, malays etc got to fight the japs and were tortured by them.

Now if the japs were such a liberating force why the hell would they be potrayed as evil by so many ethnic groups. Koreans say japs are cruel, many singaporeans know what the japs did to them, they murdered many ppl in the philippines, they killed aussies, americans and malays and so on. In thailand they got the pows to build that bridge that was the basis of the movie bridge over the river kwai.

In fact if the japs were so welcome and actually played with the chinese citizentry according to that pastor then well these groups of jap soldiers must be totally different from the other jap soliders that were killing and raping ppl all over asia. :rolleyes: Seriously many of you here today should have a father or grandfather or maybe even yourself that experienced the japanese attacks whether it is in sg or elsewhere. You read this link given by drifter http://www2.biglobe.ne.jp/~remnant/nankingm.htm i wonder if your relatives had the chance to thank the japanese invaders and even received money from them cos according to that link the japs were even giving money to the chinese citizens. :eek: Seriously if that were true then perhaps your relatives were the unlucky ones getting all the bad japanese soliders that murdered and raped ppl while those in nanking were so nice and kind. Seriously this explaination by me already shows how silly that link is.

Then again guys we need to look at both sides of the story. Who knows the stories of the japs raping and killing all manner of races and nationalities across so many countries must be false and was a huge cover up by the filippinos, koreans, chinese, aussies, americans etc all got together to paint the japs as evil invaders when the reality was that the japs were giving the citizens money and the citizens were all thanking the japs and dying to join their army. :rolleyes:



"If the rape of nanking was false why would immigrants from china all follow the same story and claim the rapes committed all those attrocities"?


It's $$$$$ dude !! Those ah tiong wanted the Japanese goverment to compensate them with $$$ . It's possible . Or the Chinese goverment pay them to tell lies ? There's many possibility . Japan never deny what they did during war in Korea and the rest of Asia .. So why must they deny about nanjing killing ? You have to think about that .
 
mao's thanking of the japs isn't really one of gratitude. It's not like you thanking a person that saved your life. It's like you thanking say maybe a bear that ate up a robber that was going to kill you for example. Did the bear really plan to save you? Of course not. Were the japs actually helping the communists? No of course not. It was just a stroke of luck for the communists that the japs chose to invade at that time that prevented the communists from being wiped out by the GMD. I'm not really sure if there's such a term to describe thanking someone or something that saved you from a situation that was in your favor but i am sure we are all intelligent enough to discern someone that actively wanted to help us intentionally or someone that saved us due to circumstances like a driver of a car that accidentally knocks down a big dog that is going to bite someone. The japanese invasion aided the CCP was due to the latter incident's example.

You ask for proof and I show you .. Now you are saying Mao have another meaning ? Go ahead and do your own translation ... The proof is already here .. It's up to you to believe it ;)
 
You ask for proof and I show you .. Now you are saying Mao have another meaning ? Go ahead and do your own translation ... The proof is already here .. It's up to you to believe it ;)



What does mao thanking the japs have to do with the fact that the japs committed those crimes? Also there is a difference between thanking someone for intentionally helping you and someone that aided you due to circumstances. I have already explained the differences. also what does mao thanking the japs have to do with anything? Like it means their crimes are less severe.
 
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"If the rape of nanking was false why would immigrants from china all follow the same story and claim the rapes committed all those attrocities"?


It's $$$$$ dude !! Those ah tiong wanted the Japanese goverment to compensate them with $$$ . It's possible . Or the Chinese goverment pay them to tell lies ? There's many possibility . Japan never deny what they did during war in Korea and the rest of Asia .. So why must they deny about nanjing killing ? You have to think about that .

Japan never deny the war and compensated the koreans you say? Where's the links? Btw why were the japs so nice to the ppl in nanking but so cruel to ppl elsewhere. Like in singapore for eg since when were they so nice to the locals? They also attacked the malays even though the brits abandoned them. I tot they were going to liberate malaysia from the brits? I think they must have made up japanese crulety in SEA too cos they also want money.
 
What does mao thanking the japs have to do with the fact that the japs did not commit those crimes? Also there is a difference between thanking someone for intentionally helping you and someone that aided you due to circumstances. I have already explained the differences. also what does mao thanking the japs have to do with anything? Like it means their crimes are less severe.


"What does mao thanking the japs have to do with the fact that the japs did not commit those crimes" ?

It's you who wanted the proof and I just show you . Now u are asking me ? I'm just saying even Mao thanks the Japanese for the war ( anything wrong with the facts ? ) It you who don't believe my statement and ask for proof .
 
Japan never deny the war and compensated the koreans you say? Where's the links? Btw why were the japs so nice to the ppl in nanking but so cruel to ppl elsewhere. Like in singapore for eg since when were they so nice to the locals? They also attacked the malays even though the brits abandoned them. I tot they were going to liberate malaysia from the brits? I think they must have made up japanese crulety in SEA too cos they also want money.

I'm too lazy to show you anymore link regarding about Japanese did Compensate the Korean .. Go and google yourself . Later I show u the link again you going to do your own translation again ;) I don't have the time to do it ... I'm smoking a fat joint now .
 
"What does mao thanking the japs have to do with the fact that the japs did not commit those crimes" ?

It's you who wanted the proof and I just show you . Now u are asking me ? I'm just saying even Mao thanks the Japanese for the war ( anything wrong with the facts ? ) It you who don't believe my statement and ask for proof .


The pt is so what if mao thanked them? It doesn't make the japanese crimes less henious. Doesn't change anything that the japs committed them.
 
The pt is so what if mao thanked them? It doesn't make the japanese crimes less henious. Doesn't change anything that the japs committed them.

Now u are saying so what if Mao thanks them ... ;) . Of course it does not justify those war crime .. But the fact is Mao thanks those Japanese for starting the war . And it's already enough . And for that Mao statement you should know those ah tiong are running dogs and will do anything for his own gains .. So it's possible that nanjing killing are committed by their own ppl ... As I say .. Anything is possible .. Because Until now There's no conclusion who committed murder in nanjing . Keep your head open and do not jump to any conclusion about nanjing . Don't be bias like what u always post about race issue .
 
Whenever there's a war .. All hell will break lose .. Many locals will take advantage of the suitation and will commit crime .. Same as Iraq when saddam is down . Now start thinking .
 
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Now u are saying so what if Mao thanks them ... ;) . Of course it does not justify those war crime .. But the fact is Mao thanks those Japanese for starting the war . And it's already enough . And for that Mao statement you should know those ah tiong are running dogs and will do anything for his own gains .. So it's possible that nanjing killing are committed by their own ppl ... As I say .. Anything is possible .. Because Until now There's no conclusion who committed murder in nanjing . Keep your head open and do not jump to any conclusion about nanjing . Don't be bias like what u always post about race issue .

I'm definitely not bias at all. That was my pt all along so what if mao thanked them? The fact of the matter is mao was involved in a civil war with GMD His thanking of them was due to the circumstances that allowed him to win. That's all there is to it. It doesn't even prove anything.

No conclusion? I tot there were many dead bodies and so on. Ok but if you read my earlier posts i already gave a very good explaination. What were the reputation of the japs during ww2? Was there a single account of the ppl that they attacked that they were very nice? No what. They were aggressive towards everyone. Ask the filippinos, malays, koreans, ozzies and so on. So many ppl fought them japs never ever read about them being nice. Therefore what's so different when they attacked nanjing? See very logical explaination i have given. I'm definitely not bias. But from the looks of things i cannot say the same about you.
 
Whenever there's a war .. All hell will break lose .. Many locals will take advantage of the suitation and will commit crime .. Same as Iraq when saddam is down . Now start thinking .


so what you are implying was the the ppl raped and murdered were actually committed by the locals against their own. Sure there's chaos but for you to imply that those bodies found everywhere and the many females being raped were actually committed all by the locals towards their own. OMG.
 
I'm definitely not bias at all. That was my pt all along so what if mao thanked them? The fact of the matter is mao was involved in a civil war with GMD His thanking of them was due to the circumstances that allowed him to win. That's all there is to it. It doesn't even prove anything.

No conclusion? I tot there were many dead bodies and so on. Ok but if you read my earlier posts i already gave a very good explaination. What were the reputation of the japs during ww2? Was there a single account of the ppl that they attacked that they were very nice? No what. They were aggressive towards everyone. Ask the filippinos, malays, koreans, ozzies and so on. So many ppl fought them japs never ever read about them being nice. Therefore what's so different when they attacked nanjing? See very logical explaination i have given. I'm definitely not bias. But from the looks of things i cannot say the same about you.

Many dead bodies means its commited by the Japanese ? By the way , where's all those dead bodies now ? Bury where ? Read this again http://www2.biglobe.ne.jp/~remnant/nankingm.htm . It explain everything need to know .

Was there a single account of the ppl that they attacked that they were very nice? No what.

Who say no ? My friend's grandfather said those Japanese treated him very nice ... Of course maybe he obey them and never go against them . Would you treat your enemy nice if you think they are against you during war time ?
 
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so what you are implying was the the ppl raped and murdered were actually committed by the locals against their own. Sure there's chaos but for you to imply that those bodies found everywhere and the many females being raped were actually committed all by the locals towards their own. OMG.

I'm saying it's possible that crime are committed by the locals ..as I say many many times it's a controversy issue in Nanking ..until now still they are still debating .. Which part do you not understand ?
 
When all the ppl are debating about the nanjing killing and you already comes to a conclusion ? Wow !!! You are very smart ;)
 
the Chinese govt can build up the nationalist spirit, inspire patriotism among her people through all this. useful islands for political wayang.

No one in his right mind can ever deny that LKY is a great man.
He won a strategic island far out in the South China Sea for Singapore.
He is the hero of Singapore.

Chinese leaders want to find out from him how to re-claim the islands -
with minimum fuss and violence.
 
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Who say no ? My friend's grandfather said those Japanese treated him very nice ... Of course maybe he obey them and never go against them . Would you treat your enemy nice if you think they are against you during war time ?

Yes, the Japanese also treated Singapore Chinese very nicely during their occupation. It was estimated that more than 100,000 were invited to Changi beach for picnics with sushi sandwiches and sashimi.

Instead of wasabi, they used plenty of ketch-up and chilli sauce. Evidence for the picnic - all the red tomato ketch-up and chilli sauce littered on the sand.
 
Yes, the Japanese also treated Singapore Chinese very nicely during their occupation. It was estimated that more than 100,000 were invited to Changi beach for picnics with sushi sandwiches and sashimi.

Instead of wasabi, they used plenty of ketch-up and chilli sauce. Evidence for the picnic - all the red tomato ketch-up and chilli sauce littered on the sand.

Of course the Japs were nice, they gave employment to our 1st PM you know? :rolleyes:
 
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