George Yeo can break SAF bond while Dr Allan Ooi can't???

[scroobal]

I will elaborate about this a little bit. Unlike the Chinese and Indians, the Malays know every tom, dick and harry in their community when it comes to politics. Its not cohesiveness but due to how their fate in Singapore evolved.

Take for instance the Maria Hertogh riots. Many thing that it was initiated by the Malays. It was actually initiated and fueld by Indian Muslims ( Pakistan included). The Epicentre was Arab St. At the end, at least 2 chaps were banised to India/Pakistan.

When the SPH Journalist Dinah Suhaimi wrote about her father, every malay that I spoke to knew the details well and there were very little differences in those details. In fact they knew things about him that his daughter did not know.

Get the right chap and all you have to do is make the annoucement. No need for him to even deliever a speech on a stage.

How do you show that your Malay candidate could resonate with them within that short span of 9 days of campaign? It is near impossible, actually. Any alternative ways to overcome that would be the key to winning Malay votes.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

what is "DKK" bro?...what i think is also important is for the oppo to specifically reach out to the malay community

Have to agree with Porfiro. It cannot be just a Malay. Malay factionalism is pretty cut and dry. The Malay that you pick must resonate with the Malays as a whole. You must be aware that DKK is not part of the equation.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

I think Ed Ng is wise to stay clear of this fourm...except perhaps as an anon nick

I can immediately see the dots getting jumpy. Looks like I have struck the mother lode. My immediate reaction was why Ed Ng?

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Perhaps to a certain extent what you say makes some sense...for instance Chee's consistent carping on Mynmar, the local Tax/Private Banking and Death Penalty issues

s. Over the years the strategy changed but get the feeling there's a certain agenda he follows that has been mapped out, one leading to another, and is in concert with others not in Singapore. If you can figure out what it is it would fit in. That is why it's not "errors" or "spent" and therefore repeated because the objectives are different - and perhaps achieved, to his perception.

The only explanation I can think of is he has a free hand in what he writes but follows a set of scripts in his actions, that's why the discrepancy in the two.

 

[scroobal]

I know of one particular gathering in particular where everyone was mesmerised including one idiot who I thought had little between his ears and intelligence revolved around types of golf courses. Chee was there not for politics nor was he the guest but he was asked to comment about it and the whole session was his and they were clamouring for more. No one from his party or any other politicians from the opposition or ruling party was there. I was not there but heard about it shortly after.

How do you explain that? Bizarre.

Yes the writing/one on one chats and actions do not appear in line...as you say the enigmatic Dr Chee

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

alamak that bad...did not notice this bro

Have also wondered why "Edmund Ng is bullshit" is one of only 3 sticky threads in this coffeeshop. Important enough to stand toe to toe with a control panel discussion thread and a software download thread.

 

[scroobal]

Its quite sensitive but it refers not to a full blooded Malay but someone with Indian blood. Though the Malays are receptive to anyone who is a muslims and are prepared to follow their customs, they are mindful of those who claim to be Malays hoping to ride on the coattails of their race when it comes to quotas and any other benefits.

Though the committee entrusted to vet candidates for GRC race requirements, might be label a candidate a Malay but may not be accepted as such by the community. By the way, the NRIC can say anything but its the community that will know.

I know that the opposition parties have no clue about this.

what is "DKK" bro?...what i think is also important is for the oppo to specifically reach out to the malay community

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Scroobal

Darah Keturunan Arab, Darah Keturunan Keling, really does the origin's of who is Malay matter in Malay Politics ? After all in Malaysia it was an Indian Malay who championed Malay Supremacy ?



Cheers


Locke

 

[scroobal]

Next time don't be lazy, create new clones for new targets. At this rate, its like shooting ducks in a barrel.

Don't worry about me. Everyone here knows that I am full of bullshit, have no clue about anything and plain dumb. If I were you, don't take anything I say as true.

I have have been observing you scroobal since the old SBF was moved here. You are quite good at pulling wool over the eyes of the majority of cursory readers. I was the one who homed in on Edmund Ng by linking up the Ng Fjay, 3Whitetiger and Wayangpartyeatshit clones. You don't have exclusivity over the last word, I'll make sure of that. Let me honestly tell you, Ejay and friends are tickled pink over your roundabout attempt to point the finger at them as guilty of being all the clones that are aimed at the people in question.
Striking the mother lode? How presumptuous!

 

[scroobal]

It does bro. I never thought about it until I was told about it by reliable chaps. Since then, could read the currents better.

Dear Scroobal

Darah Keturunan Arab, Darah Keturunan Keling, really does the origin's of who is Malay matter in Malay Politics ? After all in Malaysia it was an Indian Malay who championed Malay Supremacy ?



Cheers


Locke

 

[Chia Ti Lik]

Do agree - if there is substance in the first place.

You might or might not realise what you have been doing but the pattern is clear to the rest. Such a trait is either inherent or a learned behaviour and with time becomes a habit.

Hopefully its the latter and even if you do not concede it as a pressing issue, hopefully this will stir something in you.

You can carry on hoping

 

[Chia Ti Lik]

<style></style>Mr.Chia ,for the record I believe 'Scroobol' is a PAP apollgist.However he/she raised a pertinent point.That is,,quote" you have a grandstanding habit of taking on political cases and never ever seeing it into fruition. Gopalan and a whole string of others." ......Care to explain to apolitical person such as me.

Tell me your view. its important that you tell me your view

 

[Chia Ti Lik]

Dear PAP

Firstly, you really have a knack of hanging everything wrong with the PAP around the neck of one indivdual, conflating, confusing and confounding and then like La Mei unthinkingly attack him personally with abuse disparaging his ability and intelligence an d ethics

Yes he does have issues to answer for as a senior member of the government, but no he can't be held personally responsible for things outside his current portfolio as you seem to want him to. Yes he is very well paid, but whether he deserves his pay or whether he should accept his pay is something the electorate holds him to. By the way public knowledge means public knowledge, it is listed in every budget statement.

"Hush Money" being paid to keep his mouth shut :_)) , being part of a system that has seen the "system" decline. I can't say I did badly out of the system, London Scroobal would probably agree that they did well, but nevertheless no matter how well some of us did, some of us believe in issues like more equitable wealth sharing, a better social safety net etc etc. There are many out there who have done well but do acknowledge pressing social economic political divides, however we will not seek to errr burn the PAP and the system down with it but rather challenge or for some change it from within if that is even workable.


Locke

Now the cat's out of the bag. Which government department were you working under George Yeo Locke?
And what are you doing now? You sound to be doing well.

 

[Chia Ti Lik]

Hey i was not aware of this allegation...any links?

Sorry i missed out on that point. Did Ravi allege that i used him?

 

[Chia Ti Lik]

Oh ok tks anyway

In other words.... no proof.... no basis.... nothing to substantiate at all only an admission of losing marbles

 

[Chia Ti Lik]

Bad hat? Those largely frivolous things? Public info? If true, are obviously obtained by the privilege of your private personal contact with them. The Chia chap had his baby aborted (or something like that) was in the news? Or you were the MRI doctor or had a crystal ball.

Oh you are also interested in speculations of my personal life?

 

[scroobal]

Its seemed to have worked. You are now in the forum engaging people instead of directing fire behind some skirt.

Don't worry, we will hold your hands while you are here by yourself. Just as there are many ways to skin a cat, there are also many ways to draw out a weasel.

Hope you managed to get a cup of coffee and a bite on your way here.

You can carry on hoping

 

[Chia Ti Lik]

You have nothing to fear. They have outmanovuered themselves comprehensively. My sense is the type and quality of supporters that they engage with. Its quite bizarre. Chee is an enigma.

I have asked his classmates from ACS and they can't explain it. I have asked his NS mates prior to he leaving for his studies and they can't explain it. However the term charismatic keeps popping up even till today for those who have engaged him personally or in a group gathering (without his fan base following behind).

My sense is that Vasoogate damaged him psychologically ( I guess I am as qualified as Dr Chua of SPH) and not just the reputation. Time would have glossed over the reputational damage and the ultra conservatives voters would have been replaced by young voters who would have seen thru PAP fluff.

I suspect its not Chee that you are afraid of - its the merry band that follow him. If I had my way, would have convinced both the Chees to move to another Party and just be candidates. Leave the supporters behind. He would eventually float to the top.

You are in the position to speak to so many people?

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Need not be professional at all. Get someone who can be trusted to approach someone in the Malay community for understanding the Malay psyche in Singapore Politics. There must be a series of engagement after which they will tell who are the likely candidates.

Do not expect the candidate to be confrontational in the hustings. His mere presence will send a message.

Unfortunately NSP "historical background" does not lend itself easily to this. You know what I mean.

Dear Scroobal,

Thank you for your insights again.

I understand what you mean about NSP's "historical background" but to me, history is to be made in our hands, rather to be the burden on our back.

Personally, I feel that the main reason for opposition's failure in making electoral progress for the past 2 decades lies in the Malay votes. 1988 and 1991 were exceptional years whereby the Malay community saw the need to assert their political voice, coupled with the dissatisfaction of the Catholics in 1991 which was related to the so call "Marxist Plot", opposition did put up quite a number of close fights in 1988 and making unexpected progress in 1991.

The PAP was so overwhelmed in 1991 that it began to make changes to their community policies and start to initiate a pro-active construction of community self help groups, particularly targeting the Malay community.

PAP has been quite successful in regaining the Malay ground since 1991. But one recent event indicates that there are some unhappiness in the Malay community over political representation. They were questioning openly in the Malay newspaper over the lack of Malay NMPs being nominated into parliament. This could mean quite a number of things of which I believe that the Malay community is not very satisfied with PAP's Malay MPs' performance in parliament. They are seeking alternative representation of their communal voice in parliament.

I do not expect to make any break through this time round but if I have the chance, I would like to lay the foundation for NSP to win future electoral battles in GRC by sending my Malay candidate into parliament as NCMP for a start. The rest, I shall leave it to the next generation of opposition candidates.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[Chia Ti Lik]

Its seemed to have worked. You are now in the forum engaging people instead of directing fire behind some skirt.

Don't worry, we will hold your hands while you are here by yourself. Just as there are many ways to skin a cat, there are also many ways to draw out a weasel.

Hope you managed to get a cup of coffee and a bite on your way here.

Thanks man Its nice to be back