Evolutionism vs Creationism (aka Intelligent Design)

[Toronto]

John 1:14 is talking of the incarnation of Jesus as man. It means He is the living Word OF God who came down from heaven as God in flesh form.

There is nothing allegorical to DNA. Just another religious believe, not Science. There is no authorized or credible theological source that supports this claim. Nor does it even convey the official positionsof the various churches and denominations. In this, it merely the self-fantasy and wishful thinking of a delusional individual. In pyschological term, this is called type-II error(seeing negative as positive).

The concrete historical fact:
The meaning of the book of John began as a pagan philosophy written by the Greek Philosopher Heraclitus who wrote of the Logos about 500 years before Jesus. The Book of John repeats the philosophy almost word for word and adapts it to a description of Jesus as the creator. Originally this philosophy was written by Heraclitus, a pagan Greek, to explain his belief of Zeus as the creator of the universe. This philosophy was well known in the ancient world.

 

[Toronto]

Dead man does tell a lot of stories to the experts, otherwise forensic Science and archaelogy will collapse.

On the other hand, far-fetched stories and exaggerations could be constructed by the followers days later of a dead religion leader and the gospel writers a century later.

 

[Toronto]

The view that Evolution is just examining dead fossils is out-dated. Science advances by leap and grows in exponential term.

In the past, Evolution rested on ambiguous fossil evidence, but now it rests on much clearer DNA evidence that increases exponentially every month. Fully appreciating this evidence takes a lot of time, reading and patience.

 

[Toronto]

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Data from whole genome sequencing could not be refuted by ID advocates:

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Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/9136200/#.URPBe64jqhN

Analysis of the genome was published in Nature on September 1, 2005, in an article produced by the Chimpanzee Sequencing and Analysis Consortium, a group of scientists which is supported in part by the National Human Genome Research Institute, one of the National Institutes of Health.

Scientists unleashed a torrent of studies comparing the genetic coding for humans and chimpanzees on Wednesday September 1, 2005, reporting that 96 percent of our DNA sequences are identical. Even more intriguingly, the other 4 percent appears to contain clues to how we became different from our closest relatives in the animal kingdom, they said.

"We're really looking at an individual evolutionary event, and this is spectacular," said University of Washington geneticist Robert Waterston, senior author of a study in the journal Nature presenting the draft of the chimpanzee genome.

The achievement should lead to discoveries with implications for human health, including new approaches to treating age-old diseases, said Francis Collins, director of the National Human Genome Research Institute.

"As we build upon the foundation laid by the Human Genome Project, it's become clear that comparing the human genome with the genomes of other organisms is an enormously powerful tool for understanding our own biology," he said in a written statement.

The chimpanzee genetic blueprint is the result of a multimillion-dollar effort involving 67 researchers from the United States, Israel, Italy, Germany and Spain. In addition to that blueprint, more than a dozen other related reports are being published this week in Nature and two other scientific journals, Science and Genome Research.

 

[Toronto]

Small but crucial differences:
The researchers said the results confirmed the common evolutionary origin of humans and chimpanzees. Out of the 3 billion base pairs in the DNA coding for chimps and humans, about 35 million show single-base differences, and another 5 million DNA sites are different because of insertions or deletions of genetic code. Waterston estimated that 1 million of those coding changes are responsible for the functional differences between humans and chimps — thus defining our humanness.

 

[Toronto]

Six new genetic frontiers:

Scientists identified six regions of our DNA that appear to have evolved dramatically over the past 250,000 years — including a "gene desert" that may play a role in nervous system development and also has been linked to obesity. They said a seventh region that showed notable change contains the FOXP2 gene, which already has been linked to speech in humans .

 

[Toronto]

Brain genes key:

A comparison of gene expression in various tissues indicated that most of the genetic changes occurring during the evolution of chimps and humans had neither a positive nor a negative effect. However, the testes in the males of both species showed strong evidence of a positive effect. Also, genes active in the brain showed much more accumulated change in humans than in chimps — suggesting that those genes played a special role in human evolution.

 

[Toronto]

Darwin's claim confirmed

Researchers said the chimp/human comparison served as the most dramatic confirmation yet of Charles Darwin's claim in 1871 that humans and chimpanzees had a common ancestor. Today, scientists believe that the most recent common ancestor lived 6 million years ago.

"I couldn't imagine Darwin hoping for a stronger confirmation of his ideas than when we see the comparison of the human and chimpanzee genome," Waterston told reporters during a Washington news conference.

The researchers also used the chimp genome as a new reference point for judging how rapidly various areas of genetic code have changed: Waterston said it appeared that genes linked to the wiring of the nervous system and the perception of sound changed particularly quickly in primates, compared with other mammals.

As for genetic changes that are peculiar to humans, the "most intriguing" one involves transcription factors, the proteins responsible for controlling the expression of other genes, Waterston said. Scientists believe that tweaks in transcription factors may spark rapid evolutionary change, even though the genes they control are relatively unchanged — just as the same classical melody can sound dramatically different when given a jazz interpretation.

Darwin's claim confirmed

 

[Conqueror]

Atheistic 'Science' = Crap

Darwin's claim confirmed

Researchers said the chimp/human comparison served as the most dramatic confirmation yet of Charles Darwin's claim in 1871 that humans and chimpanzees had a common ancestor. Today, scientists believe that the most recent common ancestor lived 6 million years ago.

"The DNA of humans and chimps is 98.4% identical." I've read that several places. I've also read "The DNA of all living things is 90% identical" and "The DNA of humans and lettuce is 16% identical."

Humans and banana trees share about 55% of the same DNA.

I see. Does that mean Toronto's forefather is actually a dumb lettuce evolving into a banana and then into a chimp and finally into a human ? This is crap. :*:

 

[Toronto]

Biologists do not claim that. That is another crap 'cook up' by an amateur with no training and little knowledge in biology.
Another equally silly crap in this forum earlier was that of a pig head with a human body. That is a 'cook up' composite, LOL.

Evolution does not mean cats becoming dogs or crocoducks or something else utterly ridiculous that no scientist has ever said or endorsed. LOL

If no evolution has occurred and human being really created in ID image , why are you not looking like a handsome Jew(God must be handsome too)?

 

[Toronto]

 

[Toronto]

Most recently, there has been controversy over a scholarly conference entitled, "Biological Evolution: Facts and Theories," hosted by the Vatican to mark the 150th anniversary of The Origin of Species. The current head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Levada, openly dismissed supporters of Intelligent Design. Intelligent Design supporters were also not invited to participate in the conference because, in the words of the conference director the Rev. Professor Marc Leclerc, “We think that it’s not a scientific perspective, nor a theological or philosophical one. This makes a dialogue very difficult, maybe impossible.”

 

[Conqueror]

So Sorry. But They Did

Biologists do not claim that. That is another crap 'cook up' by an amateur with no training and little knowledge in biology.

Evolution does not mean cats becoming dogs or crocoducks or something else utterly ridiculous that no scientist has ever said or endorsed. LOL

If no evolution has occurred and human being really created in ID image , why are you not looking like a handsome Jew(God must be handsome too)?

I'm so sorry to tell you, they did. You fellas just love the monkeys and the human beings tree chart.

So, is there a link between a monkey and a man ?

 

[fishbuff]

Re: So Sorry. But They Did

Atheist
Religion

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist. Atheism is contrasted with theism, which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.

The term atheism originated from the Greek ἄθεος (atheos), meaning "without god(s)", used as a pejorative term applied to those thought to reject the gods worshipped by the larger society. With the spread of freethought, skeptical inquiry, and subsequent increase in criticism of religion, application of the term narrowed in scope. The first individuals to identify themselves using the word "atheist" lived in the 18th century.

Arguments for atheism range from the philosophical to social and historical approaches. Rationales for not believing in any supernatural deity include the lack of empirical evidence, the problem of evil, the argument from inconsistent revelations, and the argument from nonbelief. Although some atheists have adopted secular philosophies, there is no one ideology or set of behaviors to which all atheists adhere. Many atheists hold that atheism is a more parsimonious worldview than theism, and therefore the burden of proof lies not on the atheist to disprove the existence of God, but on the theist to provide a rationale for theism.

Atheism is accepted within some religious and spiritual belief systems, including Jainism, Buddhism, Raelism, Neopagan movements such as Wicca, and nontheistic religions. Jainism and some forms of Buddhism do not advocate belief in gods, whereas Hinduism holds atheism to be valid, but some schools view the path of an atheist to be difficult to follow in matters of spirituality.

Since conceptions of atheism vary, determining how many atheists exist in the world today is difficult. According to one estimate, atheists make up about 2.3% of the world's population, while a further 11.9% are nonreligious. According to another, rates of self-reported atheism are among the highest in Western nations, again to varying degrees: United States (4%), Italy (7%), Spain (11%), Great Britain (17%), Germany (20%), and France (32%).

 

[fishbuff]

you christians dont believe zeus, odin, virgin mary mother of god, kwanyin or buddha, and in a way, you are an atheist toward other religions as well.

so while you can accused atheists of short sightedness, take a look at yourself, what makes you think that your protestant evangelical or pentecostal god is more real than the catholic, islam, buddhism or hindu gods????

 

[fishbuff]

Most recently, there has been controversy over a scholarly conference entitled, "Biological Evolution: Facts and Theories," hosted by the Vatican to mark the 150th anniversary of The Origin of Species. The current head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Levada, openly dismissed supporters of Intelligent Design. Intelligent Design supporters were also not invited to participate in the conference because, in the words of the conference director the Rev. Professor Marc Leclerc, “We think that it’s not a scientific perspective, nor a theological or philosophical one. This makes a dialogue very difficult, maybe impossible.”

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”


― Mark Twain

 

[drifteri]

Re: So Sorry. But They Did

I'm so sorry to tell you, they did. You fellas just love the monkeys and the human beings tree chart.

So, is there a link between a monkey and a man ?

Gong cheebye kia,
Where is your proof?
Snake can talk, WHAHAHAHAWHAHAHAHAWHAHAHAHAWHAHAHAHA!

 

[Conqueror]

That's NOT True

Atheism is contrasted with theism, which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.

That's what you think. In fact, atheism is a religion. Well, how do put it. If atheism is not truth, then such belief is based on faith. If the world is theistic in nature, then this stand is false; but yet, there will always be such believers. This is no difference when you compare yourself to monkeys or elephants worshipers which is also a falsehood.

You can claim that being an atheist is not being participative but you still have to be one of these : Christian, Muslim, Atheist. That's religion. You have to choose one. It is a belief.

 

[Conqueror]

Re: So Sorry. But They Did

Gong cheebye kia,
Where is your proof?
Snake can talk, WHAHAHAHAWHAHAHAHAWHAHAHAHAWHAHAHAHA!

Fuck you lah. ORRRRR HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Continue to runroad pleazzzzzzz.

 

[Conqueror]

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”


― Mark Twain

How stupid can you be !!