Evolutionism vs Creationism (aka Intelligent Design)

[Toronto]

Re: God strikes back

More Bad news for fundamentalist Creationists

In the twelve largest Christian denominations in America, at least 77% belong to churches that support evolution education. These religious groups include the Catholic Church, as well as various denominations of Protestantism, including the United Methodist Church, National Baptist Convention, USA, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Presbyterian Church (USA), National Baptist Convention of America, African Methodist Episcopal Church, the Episcopal Church, and others.

 

[Toronto]

Re: God strikes back

God news for fundamentalist Creationists

Evangelical Protestant, Mormon and Jehovah's Witnesses and other cultist christian sects are the strongest proponents of Creationism and opponents of Evolution.

 

[Toronto]

This assumption can be wrong. It is a give and take here. You are talking about the general Christians who can't give you all the answers. If you talk to me and the heavyweights like Craig, you are going to lose by a big margin. I have been to some sites and fought well. The fiery exchange (debates) will only reveal the truth that THEISM is the winner.

I fought so well that I looked like a bully there. It isn't difficult if we get REAL science into the picture.

Sorry folks, can't help but to break your delusions.

Conqueror: "The fiery exchange (debates) will only reveal the truth that THEISM is the winner. "

You are right bro, theism is the winner!
Even if you still denied Catholics to be Christians, they are still theists anyway. So, Catholic together with most of the mainstream denominations would make up at 85% of theists on the same front of Evolution.

You statement is correct but it self-defeated your argument. So sad! If I were you I won't post further but run road again, what you think?

My advise: you stop disgracing Craig! He is a heavyweight, I can't disagree.

 

[fishbuff]

Church of England is jumping on the evolution bandwagon as well.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/some-christians-declare-evolution-faith-are-compatible-43737/


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Church of England Declares Evolution, Faith Are Compatible
By Nathan Black
February 12, 2010|4:57 pm

The Church of England's governing body on Friday approved a motion that emphasizes the compatibility of belief in both God and science.

Dr. Peter Capon, a former computer science lecturer, introduced the motion arguing that "rejecting much mainstream science does nothing to support those Christians who are scientists ... or strengthen the Christian voice in the scientific area."

He urged Christians to take scientific evidence seriously and avoid prejudging science for theological reasons.

The vote comes as more than 850 congregations throughout the globe are celebrating Evolution Weekend with the aim of demonstrating that evolution poses no problems for their faith.

Religion and science are not adversaries, they say. Rather, the two fields should be seen as complementary, they maintain.

Evolution Weekend, which kicked off Friday, is supported by those of various faith traditions including Christians, Jews, Muslims and Unitarian Universalists.

"Religious leaders around the world are coming together to elevate the quality of the discussion about this important topic. They are demonstrating to their congregations that people can accept all that modern science has learned while retaining their faith," said Michael Zimmerman, founder of Evolution Weekend and professor of Biology at Butler University in Indianapolis.

Since 2004 more than 12,400 Christian clergypersons from various denominations in the United States have signed "The Clergy Letter," expressing their belief "that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist."

In the letter, Christian clergy contend, "Religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.

"We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth."

Zimmerman, who is leading "The Clergy Letter Project," says those who promote "narrow religious views" and reject the compatibility of science and faith do not speak for all of the world's religious communities.

"Evolution Weekend shows that the disagreement is actually not between religious leaders and scientists, but rather between those who believe that their particular religious views should be incorporated into the science curriculum and clergy who recognize and respect the diversity of different faith traditions," he noted.

The compatibility, or lack thereof, of evolution and faith remains a hot debate among Christians. Prominent evangelical theologian Dr. R. Albert Mohler Jr. has said he finds it impossible to reconcile the two. While he does not deny that changes do take place in the animal kingdom and that there is even a process of natural selection, he firmly rejects theistic evolution and the argument that the process is entirely natural and in no case supernatural.

"God was not merely fashioning the creation of what was already pre-existent, nor was He merely working with a process in order to guide it in some generalized way, nor was He waiting to see how it would turn out," Mohler has said.

Evolution Weekend is scheduled to be celebrated in conjunction with Charles Darwin's birthday and the anniversary of the publication of his book, On the Origin of Species.
Source URL : http://www.christianpost.com/news/some-christians-declare-evolution-faith-are-compatible-43737/

 

[Kinana]

Well the church of England ain't God babe.
And where were you before they made whatever statement you presented? A believer in creation?

Science just disproves evolution and thats all there is to it, what is there to argue anymore?

 

[Psalm23]

The modern digital information technology has proved without an iota for doubt for the case of intelligent design. The DNA is in ALL organisms and these DNA are actually 'high-level 'language or information that even the most powerful computer cannot fully decode them. Human geno which took more than 20 decades to decode is only just a tip of an iceberg of the digital structure for DNA. It's only the beginning and scientists are being puzzled every time they examine closer on the DNA. The so-called 'junk DNA' is no more junk DNA. They have important functions which scientists are just starting to discover.

On the other hand, what all evolutionists do are simply examine those lifeless dead fossiles and come out with graphics to 'prove' their case for the Dawinian theory of evolution. Remember an old adapt: Dead man tells no tale. Unfortunately evolutionists are trying to cook up tales on those dead lifeless objects!

Read the first few verses of the Book fo John and you can truely relate to the science of DNA and God's word: And the Word was made flesh and dwelt amount us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father.) (John 1:14). Without DNA (God's written word/language of life) no life can exist!

 

[Conqueror]

I Think It Got Worse In 2006

Amen bruder!
I see these atheist are really silly people. They know very well that evolution has never been observed and cannot stand up to scientific truth but insist on deceiving others and themselves. How will that possibly benefit them?

I think it got worse in 2006. By 2008, atheism was more or less a fast dying religion with NO science and maths supports. Without them, it can no longer exist.

Theism has been winning since the day when atheistic scientists with Nobel prizes pointing to God's existence.

 

[Conqueror]

Re: Stupid Is Stupid Does

silly creationists.. if you dont believe in odin, zeus or tua pek kong, YOU are atheists to these gods too!

see how many universities and reputable research organisations will throw their support to creationism.

Only dumb deluded religious fanatics will cook up all sort of lies to keep their santa claus belieft alive... LOL.!!!

Don't talk so much. Prove it.

 

[Conqueror]

I Do Somehow Agree On This

Any believer that accepted Jesus's redemptive blood and as LORD or baptised is a Kristos. Catholic is another christian -YES! Kong Hee is at worst an errant christian. An errant christian is still a christian.

I don't understand why you are so bitter about Kong Hee. God created this fuckin' world. God put life in this fuckin' world. Now, fuckin' world ask why they are not the lions but worms and rats. You have a point but He doesn't hav'ta answer you. He's God and therefore He wanna do what He wanna do. That's that.

The vessels being fashioned by Him 'cannot' ask why they were not like this or that. If you are an ash urn, you will want to know why you are not a wine glass. I can't help you. I speak to God and He hears. Maybe, you can talk to Him and see whether He'll respond to you.

Atheists are basically whiners. I do understand. Even I do whine about His plans too. It's nothing wrong to ask.

 

[Conqueror]

Re: Liar !

The similarities between Adolf Hitler and Conqueror:
-Raised up as Catholic before moving to the next pivotal steppe
-Ordained by God to take human life

The Big difference: Adolf did not talk big or BS.

You also know ? What a lie and BS !

Adolf lost everything. LOL Hahahaha !

I got what I want : hit the world's economy including 911 and Saddam's head. Bless the Lord ! The servant of the Lord will not be disappointed.

 

[Conqueror]

Flew Flew Away

Church of England is jumping on the evolution bandwagon as well.

You got the useless religion to support you while we get the more important people like having more and more scientists defecting to the land of ID. Hehehehe.

It's not just Dawkins and Flew, many others with fantastic qualifications with Nobel prizes may not join us but they are saying things that encourage theists to continue to believe in God and bad for Evo worshipers.

Siao liao.

 

[Conqueror]

Well the church of England ain't God babe.
And where were you before they made whatever statement you presented? A believer in creation?

Science just disproves evolution and thats all there is to it, what is there to argue anymore?

They are a deluded bunch. But, the reality sux.

 

[Conqueror]

Evo = Stupid Religion

these DNA are actually 'high-level 'language or information that even the most powerful computer cannot fully decode them.

The so-called 'junk DNA' is no more junk DNA. They have important functions which scientists are just starting to discover.

On the other hand, what all evolutionists do are simply examine those lifeless dead fossiles and come out with graphics to 'prove' their case for the Dawinian theory of evolution. Remember an old adapt: Dead man tells no tale. Unfortunately evolutionists are trying to cook up tales on those dead lifeless objects!

They actually believe in dead rocks. Hahahaha! This is gettin' more hilarious.

If we need a faith that is a size of a tennis ball to believe in God, they need a faith that is a size of the Sun to believe in atheism and evo craps. :*:

 

[Toronto]

Re: Stupid Is Stupid Does

From that sentence above, we can tell you don't even know the meaning of atheism.

One good interpretation of atheism is deconversion from Christianity by informed choice.

 

[Toronto]

Re: Stupid Is Stupid Does

At last, a creationist is able to post a more decent counter-argument with biblical quote.

 

[Toronto]

Re: Stupid Is Stupid Does

The Roman Catholic Church acknowledges Darwin's theory of Evolution by Natural Selection as the likeliest mechanism for the origins of the diversity of life on earth.

 

[Toronto]

Re: Stupid Is Stupid Does

In 1996, Pope John Paul II famously called evolution “more than a hypothesis.”

 

[Toronto]

In recent years, Benedict XVI has stressed the traditional Catholic notion that there is simply “no incompatibility between faith and reason,” including philosophy and the sciences.

 

[Toronto]

At a 2008 meeting of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences Benedict XVI said, "There is no opposition between faith's understanding of creation and the evidence of the empirical sciences."

 

[Toronto]

More moderate mainstream christian churches and the catholic church, the largest christian sect in the world have already jumped on this bandwagon. Most are comfortable with the theory of evolution, why are fundamentalists still living in denial?