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[Chau Ve Nist]

Always remember it was you who started this "juvenile" name calling.

I started eh? Why don't you refresh your memory by tracing your responses in the Jack Neo thread?

Just start answering those questions and stop lording over yr pompous smart ass attitude.

Can't help it. When I am surrounded by the likes of you or people like lockeliberal who actually don't even know that a "hunger strike" is a fast and instead try to opportunistically seize on the UN use of 'fast' to continue arguing aimlessly - even with online dictionaries readily available for him to check what a fast and hunger strike is - it is hard not to feel like I am a reincarnated Einstein.

Please bear with my humility.

 

[Chau Ve Nist]

Dear Chau

A cause :_)). One does not need to " put ones life at risk or to die" It is only a " threat"...... the real objectives are political and publicity.

What credible sources have you put up ? Every reference to a hunger strike will turn up instances of people who have died or who have put their own life at risk for a "cause " because of the publicity or the pressure it puts on authorities.

Every medical reference to a hunger strike talks about the risk, and the health risk to the person taking part. How can you put a hunger striker like glucose chee amongst people like Bobby Sands and others who either died or put at risk their lives for a cause. ? How can you even justify taking glucose when GLUCOSE is used to force feed prisoners who are hunger striking ?

At some point you have WANNABEs, publicity hungry sluts out for a PR stunt aka RIS LOWs types. It is pretenders false prophets like Chee who degrade the true nature and meaning of hunger strikes.

Locke

No great loss to me if you want to believe what you want to believe for reasons which older forummers who have dealt with you will know.

The world will still move on and hunger strikers with no objective of dying from their hunger strikes will continue consuming glucose, fruit juice and other liquids while carrying out their hunger strikes.

I am sure these hunger strikers around the world will not give a damn about one Sammyboy Kopitiam poster's strident but baseless opinions and uneducated views about hunger strikes.

Cheers.

 

[cleareyes]

1stly, I do not see to do what you did, put up some article which turns out to be a lame definition of what a "hunger strike" is.

2ndly, what you said below shows you do not understand the seriousness of organising a "hunger strike".

Remember, there is a reason why it is called a hunger strike and not a death strike. Death maybe the outcome but is not the objective.

I do agree that a "hunger strike" is not a "death strike" as there is no intention to die, but there is an intention of a "hunger strike" to show the seriousness and serverity of a matter that would require a "threat towards health and life" of an individual, the willingness to suffer with no support or sustainablity to hold fast the importance of a cause till death itself "could" but not "would" take place.

Hence, when one is attached to a drip, and when that drip can sustain the person's life and even hunger or norishment to some extent, that is not a strike, more like just a show with no actual or about to happen consequence towards the life or wellbeing of that person.

What Chee did was a joke and hence made a mockery of the term "hunger strike". As long as he didnt suffer, there is no demostration of his resolve.

Do you even understand the meaning of a "death strike"?

I dont think you do.

and lastly, dont try to put up an arrogant remark of telling people to write to the Un. a ONE day fasting event is not much of a strike to talk about.

I have mentioned that you are even more UMNO than UMNO by bringing out the Malay issue from nowhere to cover your inability to argue, now you are behaving more eltist than any of those PAP "elties" when you put up a lame source. I seriously hope you are not with SDP or else, with your arrogance, SDP or even the new USD will not be able to recover anymore when the people there are so full of themselves.

 

[cleareyes]

To people like him, fighting for a cause is purely for publicity,

I dont mean to sound bad, but is that not what SDP been doing, all for publicity and no actual cause or substance?

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Elephanto King and Clear

You should read Chau. and how he defines a hunger strike.

1. Allowed to take liquids as defined by him as fruit juice and glucose and water. Where does the guy come from lumping everything together ? Hunger Strikers take liquids because of the threat of dehyration without which the question of death comes after three days or less. Water well thats a liquid, Fruit Juice thats fine it produces a little energy but LIQUID GLUCOSE, :-))) the same as all three ? And liquid GLUCOSE in use as a force feeding tool ?

2. Hunger Strikes who do not want to die :_)) Well there are enough famous examples of those who do die and those who do not die either because of force feeding or because they gave it up after their health went seriously downhill. I mean any moron with a sense of history would have read of people like Bobby Sands etc etc etc
Does anyone believe that Glucose Chee was in serious danger to his health ?



Locke

 

[kingrant]

I know now that if Chau were to go on a hunger strike to pressure somebody like us, we can push him to the end, because he will be so cowardly he wont want to sacrifice his life for his cause. That is so clear from his reincarnted Einstein whatever that crap is.

Dear Elephanto King and Clear

You should read Chau. and how he defines a hunger strike.

1. Allowed to take liquids as defined by him as fruit juice and glucose and water. Where does the guy come from lumping everything together ? Hunger Strikers take liquids because of the threat of dehyration without which the question of death comes after three days or less. Water well thats a liquid, Fruit Juice thats fine it produces a little energy but LIQUID GLUCOSE, :-))) the same as all three ? And liquid GLUCOSE in use as a force feeding tool ?

2. Hunger Strikes who do not want to die :_)) Well there are enough famous examples of those who do die and those who do not die either because of force feeding or because they gave it up after their health went seriously downhill. I mean any moron with a sense of history would have read of people like Bobby Sands etc etc etc
Does anyone believe that Glucose Chee was in serious danger to his health ?



Locke

 

[Chau Ve Nist]

Dear Locke,

To people like him, fighting for a cause is purely for publicity, and if it can lead to death, better fudge it or dodge it. He has plainly said so here. I'm flabberghasted. With more Opp like him, who is only wayang2, when it comes to the crunch, he will back down with tail between his legs. Lol. To think that hunger strikes are only for show without serious backing it up. To me it's poker play, and you see my card over my dead body, sums it up. To the one striking, being left to die is a prospect; to the one opposing it, allowing someone to die is unconscionable so he will try to avoid it. Therefore, is death an outcome (byproduct) or the objective (go to the end)?

Instead of attempting to seek comfort in each other's company and in a collective refuge of continued ignorance and strident but baseless shrills and painful yelps, why don't the three of you hunger strike experts from Sammyboy Kopitiam band together, write to the UN and tick them off for calling a UN led worldwide hunger strike without any plans to die or objective of dying a "hunger strike".

Who knows? You three Sammyboy Kopitiam hunger strike experts may change the world of hunger strikes and may even receive Nobel Peace Prizes for it.

As I know the three of you are fucking hopless in using google, your keyboard and mouse to look up information, here's my little contribution to your Nobel Peace Prize winning efforts. The person to contact is the UN FAO Director-General and you can find his name here:

http://www.fao.org/news/story/en/item/37232/icode/

Go for it.

PS: Don't forget to thank me in your speeches when you collect your Nobel Peace Prizes.

 

[kingrant]

You are just like a woman.

I started eh? Why don't you refresh your memory by tracing your responses in the Jack Neo thread?

don't have to do that. I just read yr arguments. You twisted yrself into a contradicting mess, all by yrself.

And pls stop insulting Einstein by associating yrself with him. When Einstein was wrong, he freely confessed. You can't be on the same planet as him.

.... instead try to opportunistically seize on the UN use of 'fast' to continue arguing aimlessly

 

[kingrant]

Hahaha..thanks. Why dont you show us the way to get the Nobel prize?

Just don't get laugh out the door by the doorman. Nobel prize indeed! LOL.

Go for it.

PS: Don't forget to thank me in your speeches when you collect your Nobel Peace Prizes.

 

[kingrant]

Dear Locke, elephanto, and cleareyes,

Let's give up on this guy. He's totally clueless and thick in the head.

And he thinks he's an Einstein! Anyway, I'm outa here.

Dear Elephanto King and Clear

You should read Chau. and how he defines a hunger strike.

1. Allowed to take liquids as defined by him as fruit juice and glucose and water. Where does the guy come from lumping everything together ? Hunger Strikers take liquids because of the threat of dehyration without which the question of death comes after three days or less. Water well thats a liquid, Fruit Juice thats fine it produces a little energy but LIQUID GLUCOSE, :-))) the same as all three ? And liquid GLUCOSE in use as a force feeding tool ?

2. Hunger Strikes who do not want to die :_)) Well there are enough famous examples of those who do die and those who do not die either because of force feeding or because they gave it up after their health went seriously downhill. I mean any moron with a sense of history would have read of people like Bobby Sands etc etc etc
Does anyone believe that Glucose Chee was in serious danger to his health ?



Locke

 

[Chau Ve Nist]

I seriously hope you are not with SDP or else, with your arrogance, SDP or even the new USD will not be able to recover anymore when the people there are so full of themselves.

Bro, please understand my situation. If a one-eyed man in the company of the blind is King, how can I not feel like a reincarnated Einstein when I am surrounded by three clowns who think that loud shrieks and yelps and banding together to shriek and yelp even louder can change what hunger strikes are all about.

Once again, please pardon my humility. It is my greatest gift.

 

[Chau Ve Nist]

Dear Locke, elephanto, and cleareyes,

Let's give up on this guy. He's totally clueless and thick in the head.

And he thinks he's an Einstein! Anyway, I'm outa here.

Giving up? So soon? :p

How to execute your Bde-level plans to invade Johore when you can't stand on your own two feet in a simple forum exchange??? :p

 

[Chau Ve Nist]

I seriously hope you are not with SDP ...

No, I am not in the SDP. I have nothing in common in them. They are too soft and kind for my liking.

I am in an independent group not affiliated with any political parties and we seek to expose PEP politicians, the "Praise, Echo and Parrot" PAP politicians.

It is not a difficult job. We get a lot of material from these PEP politicians.

With my grassroots link to the Malay ground, I will work to convince them that their fates are best served by the lesser evil, the PAP than by PEP politicians like Low Thia Khiang and Sylvia Lim of the Workers Party.

Again, it is not a difficult task. The Malays are very astute and while they may smile at a PEP or at members from a chauvinist political party because of their sopan culture, the last thing that they will do is to cast their lot with a PEP politician especially those from Chinese-based political parties seeking to market themselves as "opposition" parties.

Neither will they cast their lot with PEP politicians who have suddenly discovered their existence and have become concern with the homeless problems amongst their numbers or other problems they face in a Sinicentric society. The Malays can detect insincerity and smell a PEP or fake opposition politicians from miles away. They have decided that their interest would be best served by casting their lot with the lesser evil, the PAP.

 

[Sideswipe]

With my grassroots link to the Malay ground, I will work to convince them that their fates are best served by the lesser evil, the PAP than by PEP politicians like Low Thia Khiang and Sylvia Lim of the Workers Party.

They have decided that their interest would be best served by casting their lot with the lesser evil, the PAP.

do the maths and you will realize that

even if 80% of Malays voted for our oppositions last GE, they will still lose in every constituencies expect PP, Hougang but maybe WP will win Aljunied GRC.

 

[kingrant]

Haha..some clone & clown trying to solicit supporters...

People have moved on,not like you, whining like a wounded woman..

Giving up? So soon? :p

How to execute your Bde-level plans to invade Johore when you can't stand on your own two feet in a simple forum exchange??? :p

 

[elephanto]

I have refrained from joining in this fracas until now.

Putting other points of contention aside, I will just focus on the matter of hunger strike & Chee's use of glucose.

Although not totally identical, 3 bros share similar views : cleareyes, kingrant & lockeliberal AGAINST 1 radical Chau Ne Nist(CVN)

3:1.

Count me in 4:1.

I am not here to spite CVN.

Putting aside all that UN reference, online dick definitions etc, my views are simple.

True blue advocates of a cause, whether you agree with him or not, are prepared to die for their cause. Bobby Sands is the salutary example. Publicity sure. may help though not the prime objective. Putting his opponents into a corner giving them hell if he dies - thus causing his detractors to back down or face consequences.

Using CVN's mitigation for Dr Chee's 'fast', fine... fast or hunger strike, his position is disingenuous. The point is not for Chee to die, again fine, I agree it is not a life and death issue on Chee's case. But then to use the UN Hunger strike/fast as example, CVN put down others' 'ignorance' by showing that the objective was to raise awareness/publicity to the subject matter of 'HUNGER'.

So far so good, but if during this noble 'hunger fast' to raise hunger awareness, these participants were discovered to take nutritional pills or drink glucose water ..... even if the object is not to fast to death, it will make a mockery of their conviction & dedication to a cause.

On this point, surely CVN cannot disagree?!

Similarly, Dr Chee incur the contempt of Singaporeans when he admitted to drinking glucose water during his 'hunger strike' protest for the same reason - half-hearted effort to back up a full throated cause.

So, 4:1 - doesn't mean larger numbers win - but there you are.

CVN, you are entitled to your own logic & stand.
For those of similar opinion (there must be a reason right, all gang up against you, don't flatter yourself), no need to accuse us of not winning your respect & that we have no minds but to echo each other. Your respect is not worth bothering.

I have noticed your warped logic in other threads - such as the insistence that Malays are the legitimate sons of the earth & the other races owe it to them to be beholden to them etc crap line.

Personally, I find your stance similar to ChaoPappyPoodle, ahleebabathief & a few others - rabid, extemist and highly hysterical mostly. Just like the other poster who slammed Chiam & Low for being ineffective, therefore, should throw them out & vote for PAP MPs instead. Absurd logic.

Have a good day !

 

[cleareyes]

I am in an independent group not affiliated with any political parties and we seek to expose PEP politicians, the "Praise, Echo and Parrot" PAP politicians.

It is not a difficult job. We get a lot of material from these PEP politicians.

With my grassroots link to the Malay ground, I will work to convince them that their fates are best served by the lesser evil, the PAP than by PEP politicians like Low Thia Khiang and Sylvia Lim of the Workers Party.

Bunch of outright bullshit from one who is more into wayang than actual sincerity.

 

[elephanto]

Pardon me for being petty & personal, like criticising 'Internet Brigade''s use of Lui Tuck Yew photo as avatar, this nick 'Chau Ne Vist' also a mouthful, izzit Vietnamese, French or ....

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Elephanto

Even his example of the UN FAO is an exercise in stretching definitions and an abuse of an example. For example " world wide hunger strike" .......therefor hunger strike not meant to be a death strike......simple logic much like hunger strikes allow liquids thus glucose chee is justified.

Notice the UN FAO chief uses the words he "fasted". Simply put if 100,000 fast world wide for one day against world hunger, well conceivably you can present it as a united world hunger strike agains hunger.....................it would not be an abuse of the word

However when one or ten individuals hunger strike then it is very very different as he completely fails to acknowledge.



Locke

 

[Ramseth]

How hunger strike was invented?

Mom : Boy boy, come eat your dinner.

Boy : No I won't eat, unless you buy me that toy.