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Chinese Nationlist troops rescued the British troops

The Mongolian settlement concerned racial as well as strategic issues. Soviet Union naturally wanted it to remain as a buffer zone between Russia and China, just like the good old days since Song Dynasty.

Mongolians, like Koreans, had never been racially part of China. They still wanted their own country even if there's no empire anymore. China, of course, would want the whole of Mongolia "back" just like the case of Manchukuo (Manchuria). China didn't got it all back but in fact, China got the better part of the deal.

The redrawing of boundary divided historic Mongolia roughly into equal two parts. The southern half known as Inner Mongolia Province of China now, has the better built-up, settled, fertile and productive lands with more than 20m population. The northern half, the independent Mongolia now, are all the plains with less than 3m population.



The US/UK war aim was to prevent Japanese dominance over the Far East and East Asia. That meant first and foremost, to help China repel Japan. That naturally entailed also forestalling the possible emergence of China as another Japan. Blame US/UK? I think not. They have to protect their own interests first, just like anyone. Blame China itself. If it was strong enough not to need foreign help, it could do whatever in its best interests too.



mongolian racially not a part of china?


Wow i read that the chechens are racially not russians so should they get a seperate homeland? tamils and sikhs aren't probably the same race but they belong to the same country?



Btw i thought mongolia defeated and conquered the entire china so why is it so run down today? I thought the mongolians are invincible and powerful while the chinese are cruel, evil and weak? Oh yes it's always relevant to talk about events that occured more than 800 yrs ago.
 
but the truth is truth.the british asked for help from the nationlist troops!!!
:D :D :D

disgracing british...

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mongolian racially not a part of china?

It was after the annexation of Inner Mongolia (and later Tibet) that China officially declared the 5 main races of China, Han (Chinese), Man (Manchurians), Meng (Mongolians), Hui (Muslims) and Zang (Tibetans). Check out a RMB banknote. There're 5 languages on it.

Wow i read that the chechens are racially not russians so should they get a seperate homeland? tamils and sikhs aren't probably the same race but they belong to the same country?

That's why there're Chechnyan rebellions against Russia now and then. Should or shouldn't shouldn't be confused with could or couldn't.

Btw i thought mongolia defeated and conquered the entire china so why is it so run down today? I thought the mongolians are invincible and powerful while the chinese are cruel, evil and weak? Oh yes it's always relevant to talk about events that occured more than 800 yrs ago.

Once upon a time, yes, they were invincible on horsebacks with sabres at hand. But they couldn't swim or sail. Japan was saved from them by that shortcoming. And they had no proper political strategy. They killed and burned everything in sight for victory, hollow and temporary victories. Just two generations later, they'd lost everything back and more.
 
PRC Chinese is helping the whole World by not lowing their Renminbi, be grateful.
 
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Could you explain to me why does everyone else ignore the fact that mongolia is a shadow of its former self and was saved by russia to be used as a buffer state for russia and has in fact been a part of the chinese empire since probably the ming dynasty and is definitely a part of the qing dynasty BUT only focus on the fact that it once conquered a chinese empire and ruled it for perhaps a 100 years give or take?


Why is this so despite the fact that mongolia of today has part of it split off and is a part of china and both parts have hardly any significance in the world today but everyone ignores that fact but just pays attention to the ghenghis khan era.
 
hi guys! history itself is controversial. angmo will say their own version, kmt will say their own version and ccp will say their own version too.

sometime we dont take it too serious who say what. but one thing thats for sure, Chinese is better than a lot of other races because of the culture. a lot of barbarian invaded ancient China and became part of China due to the strong and rich culture. pls dont think about the culture of China people now. the real Chinese culture in China are destroyed during 10yrs of culture revolution by mao.

look around us, how many countries never kena colonized by others in Asia? i think only Thailand and China. Chinese are powerful race, but the qing dynasty and communist gov done a lot of damage to China for the last 100 yrs and Chinese are suffering. so if any of you out there are Chinese, just try to enrich yourself with the culture and be a proud Chinese. thank you.
 
Chinese is better than a lot of other races because of the culture.

Chinese are powerful race



Yup what you say is true unfortunately there seems to be a significant group of ppl here that seem to hate chinese and
the worst thing is their most likely chinese themselves. Just like that screwball always referring to chinese as we and in the process wants to cover his own thoughts and insecurities over the entire race.


Like for eg chinese are peaceful is intepreted as weak. If they defend themselves they are aggressive and barbaric while other races like ang mohs etc are seen as heroic. All good traits in their culture are seen as old fashioned or stupid yet similar pratices in other cultures are seen as good or unique.


In the war with the colonial powers the facts are ignored that china had to war with a great number of european powers along with the japs with inferior firepower. It's not even a fair 1vs 1 fight, nope this fact is convinently ignored.

Chinese are able to survive in places with great adversity and make money and are seen as greedy and money minded instead of being resilient. When ang mohs colonize other countries they are smart, intelligent and clever etc when chinese survive in SEA countries and make lots of money even in african countries they are not admired for it but seen as snakey, weasely etc.

Too many assholes with this kind of fucked up double standard thinking. Just pay attention to my mongolian examples. Mongolia would have been a part of china today were it not for russia and the better half of mongolia is a part of china anyway but nope everybody cannot see that part. They only pay attention to the ghenghis khan era which is much much older than the ming and qing dynasties.
 
Could you explain to me why does everyone else ignore the fact that mongolia is a shadow of its former self and was saved by russia to be used as a buffer state for russia and has in fact been a part of the chinese empire since probably the ming dynasty and is definitely a part of the qing dynasty BUT only focus on the fact that it once conquered a chinese empire and ruled it for perhaps a 100 years give or take?

Why is this so despite the fact that mongolia of today has part of it split off and is a part of china and both parts have hardly any significance in the world today but everyone ignores that fact but just pays attention to the ghenghis khan era.

It's landlocked between Russia and China. It has no shipping. Common with the other landlocked central Asian and central Africa countries. It relies on its seaboard neighbours for international trade and survival in the modern economy. It doesn't even has a river that flows to sea. Nothing much can grow there except grass.

Indeed, the 12th century empire expedition of Monglia came through Genghis opening his eyes to the world outside the Mongolian plains and realising this stranded situation. Either conquer your neighbour or rely on your neighbour. He and his grandson Kublai Khan had some political sense of the purpose of war and did quite well, but not his other hordes of primitively minded brothers, sons and grandsons, who got addicted to the idea that military victory was everything.

Switzerland is the only landlocked rich country in the world. But it was politically and strategically constituted between Germany, France and Italy with Germans, French and Italians and never gone to war with them however they fought through the centuries.
 
Yup what you say is true unfortunately there seems to be a significant group of ppl here that seem to hate chinese and the worst thing is their most likely chinese themselves.

We Chinese whilst claiming past glories have to face up to past failings too. We shouldn't defend anything just because it's Chinese. That's how Chinese (or anyone) can broaden the minds and improve and progress.
 
true that chinese can achieve more if they can broaden their minds.
I was told by a Hongkonger passenger once that the leaders in China would rather spend money on their National Day Parade,making it a very glam event than spending money to help the millions of poor pple in China.

We Chinese whilst claiming past glories have to face up to past failings too. We shouldn't defend anything just because it's Chinese. That's how Chinese (or anyone) can broaden the minds and improve and progress.
 
We Chinese whilst claiming past glories have to face up to past failings too. We shouldn't defend anything just because it's Chinese. That's how Chinese (or anyone) can broaden the minds and improve and progress.



yeah sure but from your posts anything seems anti chinese. I doubt u'll see other nationalities write about their own ppl in such a demeaning way.
 
yeah sure but from your posts anything seems anti chinese. I doubt u'll see other nationalities write about their own ppl in such a demeaning way.

You're over-sensitive perhaps. Haven't you read my postings about the Chinese inventiveness and mastery of strategies in the Warring States and the Three Kingdoms? The Japanese and Korean subjugation to China as the superior state and culture from Han to Tang dynasties? Notice ancient China was bigger than them but not as big as it is now in proportion. It didn't have Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, Tibet, Xinjiang and Heilong Jiang. Ancient China was just about half the size of modern China.
 
You're over-sensitive perhaps. Haven't you read my postings about the Chinese inventiveness and mastery of strategies in the Warring States and the Three Kingdoms? The Japanese and Korean subjugation to China as the superior state and culture from Han to Tang dynasties? Notice ancient China was bigger than them but not as big as it is now in proportion. It didn't have Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, Tibet, Xinjiang and Heilong Jiang. Ancient China was just about half the size of modern China.



which thread did u write about all the above?

It's not shown in this thread anyway.

Btw my post wasn't merely addressed to you it's addressed to the others too and namely some mod with the nick that rhymes with screw and ball mentioning that china didn't win any wars but just small battles. Yeah they won small battles to become the great size it is today just like you mentioned ancient china was much much smaller than it is today.
 
which thread did u write about all the above?

It's not shown in this thread anyway.

Btw my post wasn't merely addressed to you it's addressed to the others too and namely some mod with the nick that rhymes with screw and ball mentioning that china didn't win any wars but just small battles. Yeah they won small battles to become the great size it is today just like you mentioned ancient china was much much smaller than it is today.

I think that I couldn't be expected to cut and paste everything that I've posted before. See my post count. Anyway, the Three Kingdoms thread started by Alamaking was quite recent and ran into tens of pages and hundred of posts. There's a search function if you're interested.
 
but it is true that we the chinese race are more superior as in we are more hardworking.maybe less inventive lar... :D
 
which thread did u write about all the above?

It's not shown in this thread anyway.

Btw my post wasn't merely addressed to you it's addressed to the others too and namely some mod with the nick that rhymes with screw and ball mentioning that china didn't win any wars but just small battles. Yeah they won small battles to become the great size it is today just like you mentioned ancient china was much much smaller than it is today.

Actually both you and Ramseth have written well on this.

Yes, Its not true that China only won small battles. They did triumph over their neighbours in border disputes and taught a mighty neighbour a good lesson - India http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/indo-prc_1962.htm

If not for China,the Northern forces in Vietnam and Korea respectively would have had a much harder time fighting the Americans.

China has an illustrious history but its not without its failings, the Song dynasty was an especially bad one. Too much focus on the literary and Confucian theories without having enough martial skills(except a few like Yue Fei, etc) and corruption led to the ultimate fall of a country.

Ma He or Cheng Ho rather, should have heck care and just blown a few countries to kingdom come with his fleet and colonise everywhere he went. Things would have been much different (and maybe better now)

It needs to take stock, reflect and take its rightful place back in the great nations of the world. I hope i will be alive to see the day when China becomes great again.
 
I think that I couldn't be expected to cut and paste everything that I've posted before. See my post count. Anyway, the Three Kingdoms thread started by Alamaking was quite recent and ran into tens of pages and hundred of posts. There's a search function if you're interested.

You weren't being very specific. You mentioned that you wrote about china and korea during the warring states period, you should have then mentioned that it was in such and such a particular thread. By not mentioning that anyone would assume you wrote about all of that in this thread. Unless you mean to tell me everyone pays attention to all of your postings? :rolleyes:
 
We Chinese whilst claiming past glories have to face up to past failings too. We shouldn't defend anything just because it's Chinese. That's how Chinese (or anyone) can broaden the minds and improve and progress.

Well said!!! Applause. This is true, we need to seek lessons from the past and pick up from where we left off.
Folks keep saying chinese just invented gun powder, etc.

They forgot, even the humble toilet paper was from the Chinese.
 
Proud of our Nationalist Chinese soldiers.I nearly cried when he said, during his trip to taiwan, one of the taiwanese told him(Chinese PRC guy) that he was very happy that someone from mainland is very grateful to the Nationalist troops for their bravery during the Sino-Japanese war.He did not charge that guy the taxi fare at the end of the trip.Communist China should put down their ego and start educating the youngest what the Nationalist troops had done for China.Please return the true history to the Chinese people!!!

1944年5月25日夜晚,第11集团军所属三个军沿怒江东岸向左翼战线秘密行进。所有部队车辆均不得开灯或暴露目标。这一重大军事行动几乎瞒过了日本人的耳目。后来当日军的电台发现松山对岸一带的通讯信号突然增高时,才引起警觉,但是毕竟迟了一步。6月1日,第一批中国士兵出现在松山阵地面前。紧接着潮水般的中国大军继续向怒江西岸的滇缅公路沿线涌来。松山为龙陵县内第一高峰,属横断山脉南麓,海拔2690米,它耸立于怒江西岸,尤如一座天然的桥头堡,扼住滇缅公路要冲及怒江打黑渡以北四十里江面,易守难攻。日军从1942年占领松山,驻守此地的是第56师团下属拉孟守备队。指挥官金光惠次郎少佐。该守备队配备强大火力,有一一五重炮群,反坦克速身炮、高射机枪、坦克等,兵员一千多人。


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God damn the bastard Mao!!! Bloody hell Communist China Mao.When these soldiers are fighting like hell against the Japs, after the KMT lost and retreat to Taiwan, this Mao bastard start the culture revolution and ordered all pro Nationalist soldiers to be taken out and scewed!!!

I will start a thread on this soon.Bloody hell, i swear to god i going to burn Mao dead body when there is a day i going to tear down Communist China!!!
 
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