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Bangkok Runroaders, are you ready for the worst flood come next week ?

singveld

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Govt wrestles with telling truth or lies about floods

As the nation reels from the worst floods in decades that have ravaged businesses and damaged the livelihoods of millions of people, it appears the public is being kept in the dark by a government which believes that telling the truth might backfire.

A recent Abac poll showed that the government's flood relief centre had failed the credibility test. On a scale of zero to 10, the centre scored only 3.6, reflecting growing public impatience with the government's approach to the crisis.

Sources at the flood relief operation centre at Don Mueang airport said that concerned ministers and authorities were at loggerheads about how to deal with the floods.

Some wanted to tell the truth to the public, while others thought playing it close to the chest was the best policy. The conflict between Science and Technology Minister Plodprasop Suraswadi and Justice Minister Pracha Promnok is a case in point. Mr Plodprasop's recent flood alert was retracted by Pol Gen Pracha, head of the flood relief centre, who thought that telling the truth would hurt the government's image.

See also: Relief centre gets resounding thumbs-down
When the Nava Nakorn Industrial Estate was breached by floods on Monday, government flood relief centre spokesman Wim Rungwattanajinda told people to evacuate in seven hours, but Pol Gen Pracha said that moving belongings to high ground should suffice. This left the public baffled.

Contradicting messages and a lack of clarity prevail among state agencies. Bangkok residents were relieved to hear that the capital was declared safe, with massive floodwaters moving past on Sunday. The next day, they were told Bangkok was actually still at risk.

Bangkok governor MR Sukhumbhand Paribatra is trying to keep inner Bangkok dry by ensuring that sluice gates and drainage systems allowing runoff into canals remain closed. The capital's outer suburbs have to be swamped as a result.

A source at the flood relief centre said the centre has found it difficult to instruct City Hall and the Royal Irrigation Department (RID) to open and close canal sluice gates.

All the centre can do is respond to problems arising unexpectedly rather than stick to their plans, the source said, adding that flood relief operations could not proceed if other agencies failed to implement the centre's instructions.

If the government had actually taken charge and sped water drainage into the east and west of Bangkok, particularly to Suphan Buri, the worst flooding could have been avoided, the source said.

It has been said a veteran politician from a central province can influence the RID's decision to open and close sluice gates in order to protect his political stronghold. An aerial photo showed there was no substantial amount of water lingering in Suphan Buri, unlike nearby provinces.

The same source said experts from the Netherlands who came to assist in flood relief efforts said that if runoff is not drained fast enough, the extent of the damage will become more widespread and Bangkok's inner areas will eventually be affected.
 

singveld

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keep the first hand news of flood in Bangkok coming in. We all hope the best for your family and you.
 

Narong Wongwan

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What do you mean floodgates to open?

PM orders opening of Bangkok floodgates
By South East Asia correspondent Zoe Daniel, wires
Posted October 20, 2011 20:00:16

Photo: Three months of heavy monsoon rains in Thailand have killed 320 people and forced tens of thousands to seek refuge in shelters.
(Damir Sagolj: Reuters) Related Story: Bangkok braces as flood barrier breachedRelated Story: Death toll rises as floods threaten BangkokMap: Thailand
Thailand's prime minister says she will ask Bangkok authorities to open all of the city's floodgates to drain water into the sea, increasing the risk of inundation in the capital.

"I have decided to ask Bangkok to open all gates, which could trigger an overflow, in order to drain water into the sea as soon as possible," Yingluck Shinawatra said at an emergency meeting.

"At the same time, water pumps will help pump out water and city officials will clear waterways of hyacinth plants."

Inner Bangkok has so far escaped major flooding as the authorities divert water to areas outside the main capital in a bid to prevent the Chao Phraya River bursting its banks and flooding the political and economic heartland.

But a massive volume of run-off water is expected to reach the city by the weekend, putting a huge strain on Bangkok's flood defences and a heavy burden on people in severely affected areas just outside the capital.

Bangkok has an extensive drainage system including 200 floodgates, 158 pump stations, seven giant underground tunnels, and 1,682 canals covering 2,604 kilometres, according to city authorities.

Three months of heavy monsoon rains have killed 320 people, damaged the homes and livelihoods of millions of people, mostly in the north and central Thailand, and forced tens of thousands to seek refuge in shelters.

Ms Shinawatra made the comments after visiting the site of a breached canal wall on the outskirts of Bangkok and warned that serious flooding in parts of Bangkok is inevitable.

She said it would be impossible to block the water forever and the government would choose which parts of the city to allow the water through to minimise the impact.

"The longer we block the water, the higher it gets," she said.

"We need areas that water can be drained through so the water can flow out to the sea."

Authorities had already issued flood alerts to seven communities on Bangkok's north eastern side due to water flowing in.

Now those around the new breach have been warned to prepare, though workers are repairing the leak.

Bangkok's governor has warned that water is moving towards the capital more quickly than expected and will hit major canals in the north and north-east of the city on Thursday night.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-20/thai-pm-to-open-bangkok-floodgates/3581758
 

singveld

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so they are listening to the dutch expert not thai expert anymore. This is normal strategy of dutch flood defence. Let see if it works. Wait and see.
 

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Sounds like how Cao Cao captured the invincible Lu Bu. Dam the water high enough then flood his castle. But that was war and purposely. I hope Bangkok well and survive through this.
 

Froggy

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Latest is govmt is going to open all floodgates in Bangkok to allow full discharge of water into sea. Consequently Bangkok is going to flood. Good decision.o
 

Jah_rastafar_I

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so did anyone purchase a boat? Nice time to learn how to swim?

Ok jokes aside wish all sammys residing in thailand that they avert all disasters.
 

Narong Wongwan

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Got boat lobang but dunno the price. Wife tells me going for 5K baht.

Can take up 3 to 4 person. weight 35kg.

Width size: 89x332x34 cm.

Mobile: 0816346997



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Froggy

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I kept having an optimistic thought that the government will not allow flooding to be over 1m in Bangkok because it will damage a lot of the Royal properties. Anyway tomorrow night I'll be out of here to Japan. Home fully prepared with blocks against water, drinking water, food, electricity, etc etc. Maid should be able to go through this alone.

Wife and I don't feel like leaving buy all paid for so no choice.

Got boat lobang but dunno the price. Wife tells me going for 5K baht.

Can take up 3 to 4 person. weight 35kg.

Width size: 89x332x34 cm.

Mobile: 0816346997



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singveld

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Wife and I don't feel like leaving buy all paid for so no choice.

you are glad to leave right? Japan is hot and sunny now.
What if you come back and find your house empty? A lot of people lost a lot, some maybe desperate.
 

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Thailand's the worst flooding in half a century has forced a number of parts makers and Japanese manufacturers to halt production in Thailand, raising fears the flooding may affect manufacturing worldwide.

The Yomiuri Shumbun reported today that all five key industrial zones were under water in the historic city of Ayutthaya, about a one-hour drive north of Bangkok. Many Japanese automobile and electronics manufacturers are located in the city.


It has been impossible to enter the area without a boat, and many factories are completely submerged.


"Our plant was flooded nearly up to the first floor ceiling," an employee of a major Japanese auto parts maker said at a high-tech industrial complex that has been transformed into a huge muddy pond."


He tried to bring production equipment outside but gave up as he could not find a place to store it. "There is no chance of recovery," he said.


About 320 Japanese companies suffered damage from the floods.


It is expected to take several months before full operations resume, and companies are rushing to find alternate production facilities or supply routes for parts.


Thailand, home to many parts makers, plays a critical role in the global supply chain. If disruptions are prolonged, it could upset manufacturers worldwide, according to Merrill Lynch Japan Securities Co.


A senior official of a major Japanese automaker said the floods are having similar impact as the Great East Japan Earthquake and ensuing nuclear crisis.


Honda Motor Co. suspended production at its factory in Rojana, Ayutthaya, on Oct. 4. The factory is the company’s largest in Southeast Asia annually producing 240,000 cars, including the Brio, a compact passenger car released this year for the Asian market. A Honda official said conditions at the factory could not be confirmed.


Since submerged production equipment needs to be replaced, and utilities have to be restored, a lengthy disruption is likely.


Toyota Motor Corp. is expected to suspend production at its three factories there until Saturday as it is unable to obtain some parts, including aluminum wheels, due to submerged roads and factories.


The situation is thought to be a serious blow for Toyota, whose production in Thailand is its third-largest outside of Japan, following the United States and China. In 2010, it produced about 630,000 vehicles in Thailand.


To make up for the production loss, Toyota said it is considering importing parts from Japan or temporarily shifting production to other countries.


Electronic manufacturers also are heavily dependent on production in Thailand. Nikon Corp.’s Thailand plant produces low- to mid-range single-lens reflex cameras, which account for 90 percent of the company’s SLR camera production.


Sony Corp. manufactures all of its digital SLR cameras in the industrial area of Ayutthaya.


Nidec Corp. suspended production of hard disk motors at its factory in Thailand on Oct. 10, causing concerns about supplies to other companies.
 

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Rangsit-Pathum Thani Rd innundated

* Published: 20/10/2011 at 09:26 PM
* Online news:

In a live telecast report, Rangsit-Pathum Thani road is now innundated about knee deep.

Residents are erecting sand dykes barrier to protect Rangsit market, which is the economic centre.
 

Froggy

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I am going there for their autumn season. So I don't expect any sun. I am trying to see autumn leaves.

My house will not be empty. I live in a Moo Baan, cluster housing and there are security guards 24hrs a day manning the entrance and also patrol. Also my maid is taking care of the house and my dog so I am not afraid. There is no such thing as looting in a Moo Baan. Maybe outside or roadsides yes but never in a Moo Baan, anyway maid has a Glock33 under her pillow with 2 spare magazines should be able to scare some rabbits.

you are glad to leave right? Japan is hot and sunny now.
What if you come back and find your house empty? A lot of people lost a lot, some maybe desperate.
 

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I am going there for their autumn season. So I don't expect any sun. I am trying to see autumn leaves.

My house will not be empty. I live in a Moo Baan, cluster housing and there are security guards 24hrs a day manning the entrance and also patrol. Also my maid is taking care of the house and my dog so I am not afraid. There is no such thing as looting in a Moo Baan. Maybe outside or roadsides yes but never in a Moo Baan, anyway maid has a Glock33 under her pillow with 2 spare magazines should be able to scare some rabbits.

Autumn in Japan is beginning now. When are you going to visit Drifter to smoke autumn weeds, I mean watch autumn leaves. :biggrin:

A maid with a Glock 33. That's something. I'd love to meet up with her to chat over guns and ammos. :wink:
 
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