Association of Muslim Professionals finally wake up and take their PAP partner.

[RoyMcFarland]

hey hey the speak mandarin campaign is simply geared towards the chinese.

Anyway let's put it in another perspective. I see malays speaking malay to each other, indians speaking their own language to each other. If you're in a malay majority environment for eg, malays would speak malay to each other. Can i as a chinese complain just like you are complaining right now?


For god's sake even if there's no speak mandarin campaign the chinese would be speaking their dialects like canto or hokkien and so on to each other. I'm sure you don't understand those dialects so what difference does it make whether it's mandarin or dialect?

You're getting absolutely ridiculous. No singaporean chinese would insist a non chinese to speak to them in mandarin. Yet you're actually getting sensitive when 2 chinese singaporeans speak mandarin to each other rather than english.

Answer me this. Am i allowed to get sensitive if 2 malays speak malay rather than english to each other?


As for this sentence that you wrote

I've been working for the past 30 years and I've always worked in a majority Chinese workplace. (its hard not to in Singapore)

You know i encounter the same problem too. When i'm in japan i don't know why every where it's majority japs, in malaysia majority malays, in USA majority whites, in oz the same too.

My point is that there was no problem in the past. I was working with educated Chinese and they conversed with each other mainly in English. Not in dialects. But now equally educated Chinese Singaporeans speak Mandarin most of the time at work. Now, if they are talking about their private affairs or what they plan to do after work, that's OK. But, if it is work related, it is important to converse in a language that everybody understands. I work in the civil service and sometimes one of the bosses come in and say something in Mandarin. The others talk among themselves in Mandarin and set about their work. The non Mandarin speaking ones among us (and there a few Chinese Singaporeans in this group) are left in the lurch.

By the way, you have every right to feel left out if you are working in a Malay/Indian majority workplace and most of them speak Malay or any of the Indian dialects. Especially in Singapore. But, you have to accept such stuff when you are working in a foreign country where its their language. I suppose you also have to accept it here if you work for a Chinese or Malay owned private company.

I repeat, I'm not against Chinese Singaporeans speaking Mandarin in front of me. But, when it is work related, please be sensitive to the others. Same applies to Malays and Indians.

 

[Ramseth]

I repeat. European colonialism took place either through the barrel of a gun or through wads of cash or through forced agreements. When British colonialism ended, the colonised land were returned to the "natives". In India, the land were returned to the Indian owners. In Hongkong, it was returned to the Chinese owners. Here, it was returned to the Malay owners.

Britain acquired HK through gun barrels, I agree, nobody can disagree. But I don't think Raffles fired a single shot to acquire Singapore, only gold and silver transacted. He welcomed everybody to come help develop the port city, the nearest and easiest source was of course Malaya, but few wanted to come over, that's why Malays are in minority now. So how? He still needed manpower to develop, in came the Chinese and the Indians.

When Britain granted Malaya independence, Singapore wasn't part of it. Singapore was allowed autonomous government by the people of Singapore there and then, i.e. all Chinese, Malays, Indians and others. It was Singaporeans of all races who took part in the referendum to merger. It was Malaysia that kicked Singapore out, a little island twice disowned.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

My point is that there was no problem in the past. I was working with educated Chinese and they conversed with each other mainly in English. Not in dialects. But now equally educated Chinese Singaporeans speak Mandarin most of the time at work. Now, if they are talking about their private affairs or what they plan to do after work, that's OK. But, if it is work related, it is important to converse in a language that everybody understands. I work in the civil service and sometimes one of the bosses come in and say something in Mandarin. The others talk among themselves in Mandarin and set about their work. The non Mandarin speaking ones among us (and there a few Chinese Singaporeans in this group) are left in the lurch.

By the way, you have every right to feel left out if you are working in a Malay/Indian majority workplace and most of them speak Malay or any of the Indian dialects. Especially in Singapore. But, you have to accept such stuff when you are working in a foreign country where its their language. I suppose you also have to accept it here if you work for a Chinese or Malay owned private company.

I repeat, I'm not against Chinese Singaporeans speaking Mandarin in front of me. But, when it is work related, please be sensitive to the others. Same applies to Malays and Indians.

For the part i highlighted in red pray tell how many educated chinese did you encounter in the past to make such a conclusion that they would converse with each other mainly in english rather than dialect. You're talking before the speak mandarin campaign came into effect. That's a pretty long time back. If i do recall it's only the present generation and perhaps a few years back that ppl started conversing in english. Even in the 90s it wasn't so prevalent to converse in english unlike today. Hence i find it a real stretch that chinese during that time would converse with each other in english.


For the rest of your post, okay at least you're reasonable you're not advocating double standards. Then again these are the facts of life.

I am sure those ppl at the workplace didn't mean to leave you out on purpose. Some ppl are more comfortable conversing in mandarin as opposed to english. You do know that the chinese speaking population in sg is still rather significant correct?

There are many chinese singaporeans that read the chinese news papers. They didn't converse in mandarin on purpose to leave you out. OK. All you need to do is politely ask one of your colleagues to explain in english what they were talking about and i am sure they would do so.


Comeon there are certain places where chinese are the minority. Certain work places certain ns vocations too and so on. Yet these chinese ppl do find ways to cope and adapt. Seriously you shouldn't whine and be sensitive over every small damn thing.

You can always choose to learn a few mandarin phrases and so on. It will do you good since there are so many china ppl all over the world.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

The colour of skin in anthropology and in physiology is a product of the environment. That is empirical. God did not paint any of us. The long and short of it is quite simple. The Malays have a claim on this island as native and both you and I are not. This is an argument no politician of non-malay stock will go into unless he is playing to the non-malay gallery and therefore is clearly playing the race card.

As one who graduated from a SAP school, I understand the handicap I have here.

The SAP school concept was a compromised solution to the closing of Nantah. To solve the problem of Chinese medium schools when Nantah was closed down. Yes, it may be political in nature initially. However, if you visit River Valley or Chinese High nowadays, most students are speaking English, not Mandarin.

I do agree that all races should be given similar treatment, to have SAP for them as well. In fact I think if SAP schools become a school for students to learn higher level of languages for all, including Malay and Tamil, that would be great.

Singapore Singaporeans is always my core value. Never mind if you become citizens 5 decades ago, 1 decade ago or just a few years ago. As long as they are ready to integrate and live as Singaporeans, share our core values etc. But there are just these people who start talking about who come here first, who own this land etc. I believe this guy is not alone.

I am definitely no match to PAP in racial politics. They have been playing it for decades. But it is definitely damaging for us to have people who start to speak in chauvinist tongues.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[kukubird58]

You my friend are an exception to the rule... By the way, no PRCs or FTs at my workplace.

hahaha....I have worked in a few companies.
I have also quite a number of Chinese friends.
None of us even noticed that there is a Speak Mandrain Campaign each year.
Sir, I would say your company is an exception.
Let me give you another perspective....many of the younger sinkaporean speak English at home with their parents and siblings.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

I am definitely no match to PAP in racial politics. They have been playing it for decades. But it is definitely damaging for us to have people who start to speak in chauvinist tongues.

Goh Meng Seng

Do you intend that as a pronoun or as an adjective?

Lets not kid ourselves. Very few people in this day and age are truly colour blind. You'd have to be living in a dungeon the past 20 years.

I do however agree with you that some nicks here are obviously spoilers looking to mess up people's minds. They have an agenda. As usual, my advice to you is always the same - don't respond.

The average Singaporean has been influenced by PAP but many are still clear minded and can see the obvious fault lines the PAP has created. Lets just hope it translates into votes.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Let get simplistic. For the Chinese as a race, they homeland has to be China. They cannot claim that it US, UK or Singapore. For the Indians, it India. For the Malays, if it is not Malaysia, I have no idea what then.

GMS I am surprised that you are getting into an argument that is not politically or factually right. The Malays are descendents of proto Malays and their territory stretches as far oceania. The colour of their skin should give you a clue if they or you are actuall habitants of this land.

I am sure you realise that Ibans and Orang Asli are closely related to the Malays and not the Chinese.

We should not be talking about stuff like this. We should be talking about how to live harmoniusly and acting like a nation state.

Screwball someone that supposedly is an "intellectual" but hey that's just a front cos you have a forked tongue.

Yeah no shit shylock, malaysia is malay land but singapore isn't a part of malaysia so what does it have to do with the topic here?


Okay yeah malay lands stretch towards ocenia. Now answer me this. Shouldn't australia belong to the aboriginals or polynesians and so on and not the whites? What about north america? Hey whites come from europe but occupy south america and north america and australia and it's the same situtaion with the carribean. What do you have to say now? Try telling an aussie australia doesn't belong to the whites and see what you'll get. Yet somehow you can twist and turn this logic around all cos chinese ppl aren't so violent. You're really a piece of work screwball. Let's see your next statement.


I am sure you realise that Ibans and Orang Asli are closely related to the Malays and not the Chinese.


Yeah of course they would be related but here's a question dumbass. Are orang asli and ibans malays? Following your logic japan belongs to the chinese cos hey chinese and japanes are so closely related even more closely compared to ibans and malays might i add.

Tibet belongs to china cos tibetians look like chinamen. Mongolia belongs to china cos mongolians look like chinese ppl. Korea belongs to china cos koreans look and are closely related to chinese. In fact it's the same with some thais too.

So how screwball? Do you agree with the above examples i have given? I have followed your logic in explaining things. You want to insist that malays own malaysia despite not being the first ones to occupy the land cos they are closely related to the ibans and orang aslis right? Hence following your logic i can say the same with tibet, japan, mongolia and other east asian countries. Am i right?


If you disagree with me on the above might i ask why the double standards? Oh yes i'll answer that for you. Cos you're a double forked tongue snake.

 

[Loofydralb]

Hey Jah, go kowtow and pay respect to your ancestors, the Malays!!!

Muahahahahaha

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

..........

The Malays have a constitutional position that is above all others in recognition of their native status, something we should all accept gracefully.

The PAP has played the race card with SAP schools. We know that for fact. You and I cannot give a valid reason why SAP schools exist but to hold on to the language. The language interestingly is not the mother tongue of the Chinese majority but something that put the old man in equal terms with his political opponents. If mother tongue is so important, then there should have been SAP Malay, Indian and Eurasian schools. That is not the case. Look at River Valley School. It now is in old St Andrews with running track and all plus some lecture style setting. This is political.

You are product of SAP school and will never know the feeling of integration and attending school with those of other races on a daily basis. I think you will also realise that well educated parents will always send their kids to RI and missionary schools rather than SAP schools. Do you know why? A well rounded education means opening one's eyes and seeing the world. SAP in all shape and form is a political tool. It is also unfair to other non Chinese Singaporeans. Old Man closed Sang Nila Utama Malay school but chose build SAP school.

Who's even complaining about the malays not given those rights? What language is the national anthem in? What about army commands? In my company we only had 1 malay recruit in bmt and 1 malay pc and malay sergent. The rest of us were all mostly chinese. Yet we all learnt the malay commands, we didn't whine and complain. If the majority chinese can take things in their stride i don't see why others cannot. In a multi-racial society it's give and take. Yet i always see only one side giving and giving and still being unappreciated. Army commands, national anthem and national language are all malay. The majority doesn't complain. They accept it. Yet that's not enough. They start to pick on every small thing here and there. Getting sensitive over every damn issue.




You and I cannot give a valid reason why SAP schools exist but to hold on to the language. The language interestingly is not the mother tongue of the Chinese majority but something that put the old man in equal terms with his political opponents. If mother tongue is so important, then there should have been SAP Malay, Indian and Eurasian schools.


I can give a valid reason. Chinese language is not easy to learn. Especially when a person has to juggle learning 2 languages as distinct and seperate like english and chinese. Chinese and english are both opposites of each other like black and white. Malay language uses the romanized script, there's no need to learn how to write malay characters. Tamil uses an alphabet. With this in mind obviously chinese requires additional resources and schooling to create an environment so that students can become more proficient in chinese. The chinese overall have benefitted tremdously by learning mandarin. Yes yes it's not the mother tongue since most chinese are southern chinese. Then again let's get real. A language is worth learning if it has commercial value. If one day all chinese spoke hokkien then let's get all students to learn hokkien. Btw screwball since you're such an idealist and you want all chinese to learn their real mother tongue. How about setting up teochew syllabus, hokkien syllabus, cantonese syllabus and the other numerous chinese dialect syllabus ok. We'll let you be in charge and handle all of that okay. You're such a genius i am sure you will be able to sort it all out.

As for the creation of malay SAP schools and indian SAP schools i have already answered that before. What does a school need to function? Students. Do we have enough malay and indian students to even form seperate malay and indian SAP schools? How about malay and tamil teachers? How about forming north indian singh sap schools too? There are many jews living here so israeli sap schools too.



I would like to add damn your rant is too long. It's a real torture to reply to every point so i'll just reply to this here:


You are product of SAP school and will never know the feeling of integration and attending school with those of other races on a daily basis. I think you will also realise that well educated parents will always send their kids to RI and missionary schools rather than SAP schools.

You're wrong. SAP schools only end at the secondary level. From then onwards ppl of all races integrate. Btw i hear some schools only have girls or guys studying in there. Damn why like this? Those students would never ever learn how it is like to mix around with someone from the other gender. You see how riddiculous it sounds now. I'll put your unfounded statement that uneducated parents send their children to sap schools aside first and ask you this. Are you forced to attend a school? Let's say for eg i don't want my child to attend a sap school can the govt force me? Do take note there are many sap schools out there and one of them st nicks has produced the top student in the entire sg for 3 yrs running. Screwball do you mean to tell me that students that study in st nicks and their parents that send them there are uneducated? :oIo: I looked it up on wiki. All the SAP schools listed are all schools with good ranking. You know i guess an educated parent should send his child to a neighbourhood school rather than a sap school if not he's uneducated correct? Don't pull a fast one and put in RI instead of neighbourhood school. I don't think nobody is blind to see you pull that fast one.

 

[RoyMcFarland]

For the part i highlighted in red pray tell how many educated chinese did you encounter in the past to make such a conclusion that they would converse with each other mainly in english rather than dialect. You're talking before the speak mandarin campaign came into effect. That's a pretty long time back. If i do recall it's only the present generation and perhaps a few years back that ppl started conversing in english. Even in the 90s it wasn't so prevalent to converse in english unlike today. Hence i find it a real stretch that chinese during that time would converse with each other in english.


For the rest of your post, okay at least you're reasonable you're not advocating double standards. Then again these are the facts of life.

I am sure those ppl at the workplace didn't mean to leave you out on purpose. Some ppl are more comfortable conversing in mandarin as opposed to english. You do know that the chinese speaking population in sg is still rather significant correct?

There are many chinese singaporeans that read the chinese news papers. They didn't converse in mandarin on purpose to leave you out. OK. All you need to do is politely ask one of your colleagues to explain in english what they were talking about and i am sure they would do so.


Comeon there are certain places where chinese are the minority. Certain work places certain ns vocations too and so on. Yet these chinese ppl do find ways to cope and adapt. Seriously you shouldn't whine and be sensitive over every small damn thing.

You can always choose to learn a few mandarin phrases and so on. It will do you good since there are so many china ppl all over the world.

Well, I started working in 1981. My Chinese colleagues were mainly O and A level holders with a few graduates and diploma holders. Its a fact that the vast majority (about 90%) mainly spoke in English. From the early 90s, I noticed a change. The past 10 years, most of the people coming through are mainly graduates and diploma holders and they mainly speak Mandarin at work. The campaign must have been a success. Most of the present workers were in school when it started.

 

[Ramseth]

Well, I started working in 1981. My Chinese colleagues were mainly O and A level holders with a few graduates and diploma holders. Its a fact that the vast majority (about 90%) mainly spoke in English. From the early 90s, I noticed a change. The past 10 years, most of the people coming through are mainly graduates and diploma holders and they mainly speak Mandarin at work. The campaign must have been a success. Most of the present workers were in school when it started.

It's alright buddy, I think you're a just a bit too sensitive, but understandably so of course. I'm Chinese and I speak English at work all my life. I know many friends and colleagues from American-Anglo-Saxon English monolingual culture. Fact is, sometimes Chinese will have to speak Chinese to Chinese, just like Malay to Malay or Indian to Indian etc., because they somehow circumstantially started conversational acquaintance in their non-English mutual tongues and it became naturalised, i.e. it feels uneasy and unnatural for them to speak to each other casually in another language. Most Chinese, especially in office and executive working environment, start off with speaking English. Have you heard of a Chinese Singaporean sending a Chinese CV and attending a HR interview speaking Chinese in Singapore?

 

[scroobal]

I personally think that you sincerely believe in equality for all Singaporeans. I am not questioning your motives but your lack of political acumen in getting involved in discussions involving races and talking about land and such. Avoid such things. Or you end up painting yourself in a corner.

Whether students of River Valley speak Kings or Queens English is not the point. It is not a school for non-chinese singaporeans. Even if SAP schools ban Mandarin and only allow English, as long as they allow entry to a select race and provide additional privileges, it causes division in Singapore.

Yes, it was a political compromise to appease those upset over Nantah. But over time we have to acknowledge that it did no good to nationhood. This is PAP politics. Divide and conquer.

As one who graduated from a SAP school, I understand the handicap I have here.

The SAP school concept was a compromised solution to the closing of Nantah. To solve the problem of Chinese medium schools when Nantah was closed down. Yes, it may be political in nature initially. However, if you visit River Valley or Chinese High nowadays, most students are speaking English, not Mandarin.

I do agree that all races should be given similar treatment, to have SAP for them as well. In fact I think if SAP schools become a school for students to learn higher level of languages for all, including Malay and Tamil, that would be great.

Singapore Singaporeans is always my core value. Never mind if you become citizens 5 decades ago, 1 decade ago or just a few years ago. As long as they are ready to integrate and live as Singaporeans, share our core values etc. But there are just these people who start talking about who come here first, who own this land etc. I believe this guy is not alone.

I am definitely no match to PAP in racial politics. They have been playing it for decades. But it is definitely damaging for us to have people who start to speak in chauvinist tongues.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[scroobal]

That's got to be the dumbest statement ever made?

Nobody sends CV in any other language except in English. The CV will be thrown in the dustbin unless the workplace is run by a Chinese Business. The same with some muslims who will not wear a tudung during an interview but once appointed the tudung will miraculously appear. I know of one sikh who did exactly that.

Get the picture. There is thin line between chauvinist and fundamentalist. They are however parochial and blind to the sensitiveness of other cultures even if they stand next to them.

Have you heard of a Chinese Singaporean sending a Chinese CV and attending a HR interview speaking Chinese in Singapore?

 

[Malays Must Vote PAP!]

I do agree with you that MM LKY's brain child "Speak mandarin campaign"has worked out the exact opposite effect from what he intended.

MM LKY had intended the "speak Mandarin campaign" as he was bent on eliminating all dialects from the local language scheme of things around that time,we all know how he is,single minded focus on his objective.

That was not his intention.

The chang huayi campaign was first launched in 1979. This was quickly followed by this unwanted old fool living on our Malay soil telling the Chinese that if they were "not united, the minorities will decide who will be in power".

When small group of us heard this and studied his history, his double talk, his racism and closet chauvinism, everything fell into place and we realise what he and the Chinese were up to.

It has taken us more than two decades to open the eyes of our Malay brothers and sisters that all this "multi-racial" talk and the "special position" of the Malays were meaningless and simply cunning ploys to buy time and placate us as the Chinese led by this unwanted old fool of a pendatang long term plan was to usurp our land for good and turn it into a Mandarin speaking province of China.

In a way, we are actually happy that this is happening as it has vindicated us. Our Malay brothers and sisters thought we were paranoid when we first alerted them about 25 years ago about what the Chinese long term plan for our land was all about. Some actually called us "gila" as they couldn't believe for a moment that the Chinese would actually dare play with fire.

What you have seen in the past two decades and now seeing unfolding before your very eyes is a growing Malay grassroots movement that have woken up and are responding to the continuing usurpation of our Tanah Melayu.

 

[Malays Must Vote PAP!]

Its about time the Malays stopped whinging and whining and start carrying their own weight in society. Instead we have a clown here whose limited intellect can only allow him one argument - that he owns the land and we should all get out and that seems to be his only argument.

I have already addressed your "carrying their own weight in society" in the past by telling you not to be judgmental and judge us by your extremely materialistic Chinese values.

It is the equivalent of us telling you Chinese to be more spiritual and think of the afterlife and telling you not to be too obsessed with positions, money and worldly goods and materialistic possessions which we believe to be ephemeral.

It is the equivalent of us awarding you Chinese an F grade and telling you Chinese to pull up your socks and start living a spiritual as opposed to your extremely materialistic but ephemeral lives.

Looks to me that you and your fellow Chinese are starting to realise the implications of trying to usurp and turn our land into a Mandarin speaking Chinese province and have been shocked that our response is not to turn over and play dead that but instead, to reassert ownership of our land.

A little name calling by labeling me a "clown with limited intellect" is incredibly stupid and childish of you. It may help you release some anger and steam but in no way addresses the root problem of why we are in the fractured state we are in today.

 

[longbow]

Last I saw Chinese was 75% and Malays were 14% so Tanah Melayu is at best a pipe dream. That IS reality. Also the Malay vote is a bedrock of support for current government. They must like governement policies. I see zero grassroots movement at all.

Instead better to improve yourself and go legally acquire a piece of freehold land - that could in a way be your private piece of Tanah Melayu; all 5000 sf of it!

Recently there was a dispute over Horsburg Lighthouse and pedra branca. And despite the fact that the island in dispute was closer to Johor; the international courts ruled that it belong to Singapore. Johor, Malaysia have no say after the ruling and that was that.

So you see, in this day and age nobody cares about claims on ancestral land.

 

[Malays Must Vote PAP!]

Britain acquired HK through gun barrels, I agree, nobody can disagree. But I don't think Raffles fired a single shot to acquire Singapore, only gold and silver transacted. He welcomed everybody to come help develop the port city, the nearest and easiest source was of course Malaya, but few wanted to come over, that's why Malays are in minority now. So how? He still needed manpower to develop, in came the Chinese and the Indians.

When Britain granted Malaya independence, Singapore wasn't part of it. Singapore was allowed autonomous government by the people of Singapore there and then, i.e. all Chinese, Malays, Indians and others. It was Singaporeans of all races who took part in the referendum to merger. It was Malaysia that kicked Singapore out, a little island twice disowned.

What has being a "minority" and Malaysia kicking Singapore out has to do with the undeniable fact that we are owners of this land?

 

[Dreamer1]

That was not his intention.

The chang huayi campaign was first launched in 1979. This was quickly followed by this unwanted old fool living on our Malay soil telling the Chinese that if they were "not united, the minorities will decide who will be in power".

When small group of us heard this and studied his history, his double talk, his racism and closet chauvinism, everything fell into place and we realise what he and the Chinese were up to.

It has taken us more than two decades to open the eyes of our Malay brothers and sisters that all this "multi-racial" talk and the "special position" of the Malays were meaningless and simply cunning ploys to buy time and placate us as the Chinese led by this unwanted old fool of a pendatang long term plan was to usurp our land for good and turn it into a Mandarin speaking province of China.

In a way, we are actually happy that this is happening as it has vindicated us. Our Malay brothers and sisters thought we were paranoid when we first alerted them about 25 years ago about what the Chinese long term plan for our land was all about. Some actually called us "gila" as they couldn't believe for a moment that the Chinese would actually dare play with fire.

What you have seen in the past two decades and now seeing unfolding before your very eyes is a growing Malay grassroots movement that have woken up and are responding to the continuing usurpation of our Tanah Melayu.

My dear friend,frankly I do not read yr post,but let me reply to you this way.

I fully subscribe to what forummer Scroobal said about MM LKY:

"Absolutely. This guy(mm lky) has an agenda behind every speech, comment and word that he expresses. If you look hard enough, you will find it."

Double talk,racism and closet chauvinism-this I totally agreed,that is LKY when he wants to grab power!and power is his life!Unfortuntaely not many people can see thro' him as his presentation has been very good,so far.

I shall be very grateful if you can really manage to divert yr Malay brothers & sisters to 'AGAINST PAP' votes in the coming erections,yr group would actually make the difference with 15% of the votes,that would really shake up LKY,the unbeatable so far!

 

[Malays Must Vote PAP!]

Recently there was a dispute over Horsburg Lighthouse and pedra branca. And despite the fact that the island in dispute was closer to Johor; the international courts ruled that it belong to Singapore. Johor, Malaysia have no say after the ruling and that was that.

So you see, in this day and age nobody cares about claims on ancestral land.

You are confused over what nationality and ethnicity is all about. Awarding PB does not mean awarding it to the Chinese as a tribe. It means awarding it to a country. It does not mean that PB is now another little province of China.

"Nobody cares" is a way of deluding yourself since the only reason you can turn your pipe dream and this country into a Mandarin speaking province of China immediately evaporates when the issue of whether you have the right to do so lies in the fundamental question of who are the rightful owners of this land, i.e. can non-owners do as do as they please?

 

[Malays Must Vote PAP!]

I shall be very grateful if you can really manage to divert yr Malay brothers & sisters to 'AGAINST PAP' votes in the coming erections,yr group would actually make the difference with 15% of the votes,that would really shake up LKY,the unbeatable so far!

It will be a strategic blunder of momentous proportion and we will be signing our own death warrants if we vote against the PAP. What would we be voting for is simply more chauvinistic Chinese groups to deal with.

It is better for us to deal with one chauvinistic Chinese group, that is the PAP, than to deal with several chang huayi Chinese groups who are equally tribal.

You see the SAP Chinese opportunists such as the NSP jumping out of their chauvinist closets jumping on the Indian/Hindus and Malay/Muslim bandwagon and proclaiming "we are multi-racial" and within a few days revealing their chauvinism by attempting to rewrite history by claiming that the Malays are not the indigenous people of this land.

Just because we are quiet and discuss such things in the privacy of our mosques and coffeeshops and gatherings does not mean we don't know what is happening or don't know the history of these Chinese political opportunists even as they try to suppress their chauvinism and hide it in their closets by having Malay bureaus, showing "concern" for our right to wear tudungs in schools, etc.

Please remember, we are no fools. It has taken a very long time but we have finally learned the art of duplicity and double talk from the Chinese.