Advice needed: How to deal with MLM relative?

[Thick Face Black Heart]

MLM is scam dah. I always just tell them dont want. I say nicely, never say fuck off. You got GF in MLM then LOL 自己保重！

Tell that to MAS. MAS decries pyramid schemes but condones MLM. They only step in when the MLM company breaks the law by not paying taxes or by committing outright fraud like faking transactions.

 

[chonburifc]

Honestly speaking, started this thread because my GF was 'invited to a big meeting' in a 5 star auditorium to 'hear from the most successful in the business'. Was asked to join in but rejected right away. As of now, she's still in the 'power meeting'. My thinking is this a just a brainwash session and yet so many people can fall for it. I don't like it not because of the MLM products but the new thinking she learnt from these MLM folks. Not all bad, but I just don't like it. Hope she understand this soon.

 

[toolanliao]

had a friend that is in all sorts of MLM schemes anyone can think of since it started even those get paid reading email scam and e-shop space nonsense.

he even said to me, you are also not rich, why don't give yourself a chance to change your life when i rejected to join him but never see him get rich so far.

 

[Loofydralb]

Recently, my GF has been buying a lot of MLM products and attending 'career seminars' organized by a MLM. The uplink/recruiter is her relative.

Have nothing against MLM products, especially if it's a good product but really dislike the so-called 'very successful MLM entrepreneur' going around trying to get friends and relatives to become their downlink and the idea of the uplink trying to help my GF become more successful and it will be my GF's loss if she don't listen to this relative.

Really need help! My whole apartment is infested with MLM products! I just need my Colgate toothpaste and Kiwi floor detergent back!!

Any brothers here have any experience dealing with these MLM friends/relatives?

Den you got to question yourself.

Do you really want to get married to a stupid girl who eventually will be your wife?

Will she make the right decision later as your wife or be blinded by relatives persuasion?

Are you so dumb to fall for such a dumbo?

 

[chonburifc]

Have you considered that the fact the "relative" in behaving in this way and leading your GF down this path, shows that he/she does not really care about the relationship?

Yes, they are so 'brainwash' till this is out of consideration and sadly, they don't even know they are brainwashed.

Den you got to question yourself.

Do you really want to get married to a stupid girl who eventually will be your wife?

Will she make the right decision later as your wife or be blinded by relatives persuasion?

Are you so dumb to fall for such a dumbo?

It's easy for me to start a conflict with GF about this MLM issue and even end the relationship but that doesn't solve the problem, And more importantly, I value the relationship very much. My only hope is she eventually understand the MLM scams/dreams which I think will probably take some time and money.

 

[Fook Seng]

Yes, they are so 'brainwash' till this is out of consideration and sadly, they don't even know they are brainwashed.

It's easy for me to start a conflict with GF about this MLM issue and even end the relationship but that doesn't solve the problem, And more importantly, I value the relationship very much. My only hope is she eventually understand the MLM scams/dreams which I think will probably take some time and money.

You need an education programme. Use a diagram, a pyramid diagram. Find out how many downlines you need for each level and what they need to buy in order to be in business and receive rebates enough to cover the premium they have to pay for the product. Teach your GF not to believe what the MLM says about the product. A product that has no brand can never be worth the same as a branded product. Give her an example: a LV bag versus a LV look-alike. Are they the same value? These MLM are priced as least 25 to 30 % above its true value. After determining the multiplying factor for each level, you can then do an exponential projection on the size of the network required to support this MLM programme. For example if for a MLM business person, you need 10 downlines to make a reasonable profit, you can do a simple calculation: 10 to the power of n to get the size of the network where n is the number of levels of downlines. For example if the number of levels is 7, you need 10 to the power of 7 people in the network giving you a figure of 10 million. This is only the base of the pyramid, add to those people on top, the total network is 11,111,111 people. Is this possible? Given every father, mother, granny, great granny, child, tot and baby, citizen, PR and FT all doing MLM business, meaning they go out and get new downlines, you have to go outside of Singapore to find that number. Is it possible? Also each of them is supposed to buy a certain value of items per month or at least the first month and find new downline to take over your purchase quota. In other words you have a KPI to find downlines every month or you become a consumer, not a business person. Remember consumers pay 25 to 30% premium for the product. This monthly purchase normally is not small in their example used because they want to show how easy it is to find the downline. If you find this is not reasonable, the size of the downline network need to be increased. And you will reach full population with less levels of downlines. Unless your GF is really a bimbo, she can understand. Educate her relative as well. Unless she is a super-leader right on top of the ladder, I don't think she has been making money for a long time and is probably struggling to achieve her KPI (I mean the relative). Explain to her why she is in this situation with the computation as shown above. Good luck to you.

 

[Cruxx]

Tell that to MAS. MAS decries pyramid schemes but condones MLM. They only step in when the MLM company breaks the law by not paying taxes or by committing outright fraud like faking transactions.

That's not true. MAS didn't step in when the ultimate pyramid scheme, CPF, was and are still leeching the hard earned savings of the people.

 

[HedgeTrader]

That's not true. MAS didn't step in when the ultimate pyramid scheme, CPF, was and are still leeching the hard earned savings of the people.

CPF not pyramid scheme. CPF is ponzi scheme. Got difference LOL

 

[Cruxx]

CPF not pyramid scheme. CPF is ponzi scheme. Got difference LOL

CPF is both a Ponzi and a pyramid scheme. Ponzi in the sense that the scam is directed centrally through the gahman and the gahman only. Pyramid in the sense that it needs as many victims as possible to sustain the scam.

 

[Loofydralb]

Yes, they are so 'brainwash' till this is out of consideration and sadly, they don't even know they are brainwashed.



It's easy for me to start a conflict with GF about this MLM issue and even end the relationship but that doesn't solve the problem, And more importantly, I value the relationship very much. My only hope is she eventually understand the MLM scams/dreams which I think will probably take some time and money.

The problem is not your gf but you. Youre the dumb one.

You two deserve each other. Quit asking for advise cos none of it you will accept.

 

[Narong Wongwan]

I thot you live in Thailand with Thai GF. Wah Thailand also kee siao with MLM orready LOL

Amway is the biggest MLM in thailand.
isnt MLM supposed to be illegal in Sinkieland?
Insurance also a form of MLM is it not?

 

[scroobal]

When you are dealing with someone close, its never easy.

If he stops her now, she will forever think that he sabotaged her and did allow her to fulfill her potential. MLM is designed for easy entry so the goods are generally cheaper than getting into any other business which requires more capital. Its best that she goes thru this phase and find out for herself. The only nuisance is the stock at home and your friends avoiding you like the plague.

Just watch her financials as she might order and place the stock somewhere else.

Alternatively making it clear to the relative that you will go after them for all the losses not in the commercial sense but as she is a relative and should have known better.

The problem is not your gf but you. Youre the dumb one.

You two deserve each other. Quit asking for advise cos none of it you will accept.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Yes, they are so 'brainwash' till this is out of consideration and sadly, they don't even know they are brainwashed.

Seriously, even if your GF works hard at MLM she will at most be a sales rep working for free on behalf of the company. No, not working for free, but literally paying the company for the privilege of working for them. What dream of fortune and riches? It will come crashing down when she realises her expenditure is 10 times her commission. It will be a grand shopping experience, minus the kate spade.

 

[drifter]

just dump her , if she dont listen ...simple as that . i dont understand why singaporean guys must go down on their knee to make their gf happy .

 

[methink]

Yes, they are so 'brainwash' till this is out of consideration and sadly, they don't even know they are brainwashed.



It's easy for me to start a conflict with GF about this MLM issue and even end the relationship but that doesn't solve the problem, And more importantly, I value the relationship very much. My only hope is she eventually understand the MLM scams/dreams which I think will probably take some time and money.

You did right to want to resolve this matter with your GF. Can see you value the relationship more than anything else.

Sometimes it takes fire to douse out another fire. I suggest you introduce her a 'better, bigger, bountifuller' MLM. If it is rejected, go thru the merits of why hers is ok and not yours.

She will begin to get the idea. Her MLM can really make money?

 

[Varuna]

Honestly speaking, started this thread because my GF was 'invited to a big meeting' in a 5 star auditorium to 'hear from the most successful in the business'.

This concept preys on the human's weakness of greed and wanting to be rich and successful fast in this lifetime, by offering an individual a chance to be entrepreneur or boss. The strength of the product and goodness of it is secondary. If product is good, it could still make its way to the shelves in retail stores where people can still easily get hold of them as and when needed without having to stock huge quantity at home. They are whipping up and then taking advantage of people's desire and dreams of wanting to be RICH as a means to line their pockets upfront. I did not feel comfortable when I got in touch with this thing, especially when they wanted new agents to corner friends and relatives. It made people uncomfortable and strain relationships. This is a crap. If people do not want to buy the idea, they have their right and we have to respect that, but these agents will drill and drill to make the other party whom they were trying to "convert" looks stoopid not to "see" the goodness of it. Damn.... This thing is like cockroach..just would not go away. :(

 

[middaydog]

i dont understand why singaporean guys must go down on their knee to make their gf happy .

Eh! ? !
I thot sumtime we guys have to do that ? :p

 

[sense]

... At least, she bother to use the computer now...

That's a good start.Encourage her to use Excel.Encourage her to do a calculation of the cost price of the product vs commissions. Commissions from the way up, incl her relative and also her commission that she will be getting. Eg. If product if $90 an excel calculation may yield $20 as the cost price of the product, and the rest are all commission to various people from her all the way upwards.The fact is that the more downlink she recruits, the more commission she gets, eg. 2% to 4% to 5%...When she is ready, with all the numbers in front of her, ask her whether she will buy similar product that is selling which cost $20 in the market vs what she has been paying for at $90... And she may gain some enlightenment.

 

[HedgeTrader]

Tell nicely already tried but obviously not working.
GF not yet MLM but spending too much on MLM. Even my coffee also MLM!!!! My apartment is filled with nothing but MLM products. I kee siao already!!!!

I think she in orready if she stockup so many products. She just never come clean to you only. Probly afraid you scold her even more LOL

 

[sense]

Honestly speaking, started this thread because my GF was 'invited to a big meeting' in a 5 star auditorium to 'hear from the most successful in the business'. Was asked to join in but rejected right away. As of now, she's still in the 'power meeting'. My thinking is this a just a brainwash session and yet so many people can fall for it. I don't like it not because of the MLM products but the new thinking she learnt from these MLM folks. Not all bad, but I just don't like it. Hope she understand this soon.

Next time round, you should try to attend with her. The more you know about this MLM, the better chance of you in detecting problems with the MLM business model (with facts) and the better chance of you talking sense into your GF.Moreover, down the road, am sure you will encounter good friends of yours into this trap as well and you can reuse your 'insider' knowledge to better help them.MS Excel helps.