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WP members visit DAP HQ and Malaysia Parliament

Ramseth

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http://melvintansg.blogspot.com/2008/10/wp-members-visit-dap-hq-and-malaysia.html

A handful of Workers' Party members including myself embarked on a study visit to Kuala Lumpur and Petaling Jaya, Selangor between 11 and 13 October 2008 and to meet with members of our Malaysia opposition counterpart, the Democratic Action Party.

This is the second trip by the same group across the Causeway this year following the last visit to Penang during the Malaysia general election in March 2008 where we followed the DAP on its campaign trail in Pulau Pinang, although there was a slight composition change.

Initially planned for next year, we decided to go there earlier due to being informed by our main host Loke Siew Fook, DAP Member of Parliament for Rasah, State Assemblyman for Lobak (Negeri Sembilan) and DAP Socialist Youth Secretary, that the Malaysia Budget Debate would commence on 13 October 2008.

The DAP, a reform of the defunct Malaysia extension of Singapore's ruling People's Action Party in 1966, made a breakthrough in that GE, winning the highest 28 seats it has bagged to date in the Dewan Rakyat and, combined with the Parti Keadilan Rakyat and the Parti Islam SeMalaysia, holds 82 out of 222 seats under the three-party Pakatan Rakyat opposition alliance.

We were also informed of an invitation to a Hari Raya open house on 12 October 2008 hosted by opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim, who heads the PR alliance and the PKR and was a former deputy prime minister of Malaysia under the ruling Barisan Nasional government.

The group arrived in the evening on the first day and there was little time for anything else apart from checking-in and dinner.

In the morning of the second day, we went to Kelab Sultan Sulaiman at Kampung Baru, KL where the open house was and met with Mr Anwar and his wife, Dr Wan Azizah Ismail, who were greeting arriving guests at the entrance.

The politician pair was a warm, mild-mannered and pleasant couple, quite unlike the firebrands portrayed in various media; one of our members expressed appreciation for Mr Anwar's visit to the wake of Singapore's late opposition leader J B Jeyaretnam.

Outside at the backyard where a large tent was erected to host another function, I spotted Selangor chief minister, PKR stalwart and former corporate guru Tan Sri Khalid Ibrahim but had no opportunity to approach him as the function was for different guests.

Later, Mr Loke introduced us to DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng and his father Lim Kit Siang, the DAP's Parliamentary Leader, who were seated at a table in a VIP room; the younger Mr Lim was especially friendly and broke ice quickly with his sense of humour.

Also present at the same table were DAP leaders Fong Kui Lun, MP for Bukit Bintang, Tony Pua, MP for Petaling Jaya Utara (both in Selangor) and Teresa Kok, MP for Seputeh (KL) who was in the news in September 2008 for her incarceration under the Internal Security Act for a week and subsequently released.

Another WP member expressed support and sympathy over the trials recently suffered by Ms Kok, who reciprocated the gesture and also mentioned the passing of Mr Jeyaretnam as a loss to the Singapore opposition.

By the afternoon, the group headed for the DAP headquarters in Paramount Garden, PJ; there was a little incident when we arrived at the wrong place, which was their older office that had now been converted to a storage hub but thankfully, Mr Loke had anticipated this and took the trouble to locate us at the wrong venue.

At the DAP headquarters, State Assemblyman for Bahau (Negeri Sembilan) Teo Kok Seong and other members of the DAP were there to receive us and after the customary introductions, Mr Loke showed us around their headquarters - a stylish but non-extravagant two-storey building.

Following that, members of our two political parties sat down in a conference room for interesting and lively discussions and exchanging information on the political situation on each other's countries.

We also learned that the DAP had not maintained contact with the PAP ever since Singapore's separation from the Federation of Malaysia but the Penang DAP state government desired to engage the Singapore PAP government for economic purposes, something our group members felt was pragmatically-speaking a good idea.

On the third day, we visited the Malaysia Parliament and accessed the public gallery in time to witness Mr Anwar deliver his speech for the first time since eviction from office in 1998, this time as an opposition MP but in his same old seat of Permatang Pauh (Penang), which was held by Dr Azizah during his ostracise.

What raised our eyebrows was that one side of the chamber was about 80% empty while on the other, 90% full, and this created was a demarcation that allowed us to distinguish between seats belonging to BN and those to PR; for some reason, a large number of BN MPs were notably absent.

In addition, the front benches of the sparsely occupied section, presumably accommodating ministers of the government cabinet, were empty and both PM Abdullah Badawi and DPM Najip Tun Razak were also missing in action.

Mr Anwar took up most the speech time with the elder Mr Lim intercepting every now and then and they could be easily mistaken as the PM and DPM or PM and opposition leader respectively.

A practice not seen in the Singapore Parliament was that every time Mr Anwar completed a few sentences with a high crescendo, PR MPs would tap the table rapidly a few times and during once when a BN MP rose to speak, the BN MPs did the same; this, we later discovered, was a form of clapping, although in Singapore the opposition MPs would not have the critical mass to put on such displays of support.

Due to the lopsided attendance, the PR side produced thunderous tapping sounds in contrast to the BN taps that were like "droppings" and one could surmise that this was probably the first time in Malaysia history that government MPs were outnumbered by opposition MPs.

Finally, we left the place and prepared ourselves to head back to Singapore; for us in WP, the entire expedition proved to be both fruitful and insightful and we looked forward to return again.
 

Ramseth

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For those who has been to the Singapore Parliament, you know that clearing an identity check and a security check will get you into public gallery. Not so in Malaysia. To be admitted, you'll need authorisation from Ministers or MPs. Either you're invited or you go secure an appointment.

The dress code is also more formal than Singapore. Minimum of longsleeves and tie is a must for man. Full suit with jacket and tie is the norm. Of course, Islamic or Malay traditional costume is always welcome.

Anyway, when we cleared security counter and entered the main lobby, we realised why the stricter security. Once inside, there's no separation between public, reporters and MPs. All mingle together in the midst of greetings, chattings and interviews. In the Singapre Parliament, public and MPs are strictly segregated.
 

Ramseth

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Entering the Parlimen public gallery was like entering the Parlimen itself. It's the same hall, only demarcated by a waist-high wall, no glass panel, nothing else. We were in time for Anwar Ibrahim to make his first parlimentary speech in 10 years.

As he started, we noticed, to our surprise, that the opposition side (PR) has obviously and glaringly more MPs present than the government side (BN). Even more surprising was that the entire government front bench was empty, i.e. all cabinet ministers from PM Abdullah Badawi, DPM Najib Razak downwards, all were absent.

Adhering to house rules for guests, we dared not discuss this there, but sat quietly listening to the proceedings. Anwar Ibrahim, Lim Kit Siang and etc. opposition MPs clearly dominated and overwhelmed the government MPs. It was an incredible sight to behold or fathom. Later, we learned that the BN government issued statement to press that they were absent because they don't take Anwar Ibrahim seriously and don't want to dignify him, something along that line.
 

The_Latest_H

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Even more surprising was that the entire government front bench was empty, i.e. all cabinet ministers from PM Abdullah Badawi, DPM Najib Razak downwards, all were absent.

Adhering to house rules for guests, we dared not discuss this there, but sat quietly listening to the proceedings. Anwar Ibrahim, Lim Kit Siang and etc. opposition MPs clearly dominated and overwhelmed the government MPs. It was an incredible sight to behold or fathom. Later, we learned that the BN government issued statement to press that they were absent because they don't take Anwar Ibrahim seriously and don't want to dignify him, something along that line.

Well, when you can't confront the enemy and don't want to even shake his hand, and look into his eyes during a debate, you're afraid of him. The BN's excuse is a poor excuse; its clear Badawi and his cabinet are scared of the opposition.

It only makes Anwar look better in contrast.

Plus, I'm sure Mahathir wouldn't mind publicly confronting him if Mahathir was still a backbencher. Maybe Mahathir would have more balls confronting the past with Anwar than Badawi.
 

Ramseth

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Well, when you can't confront the enemy and don't want to even shake his hand, and look into his eyes during a debate, you're afraid of him. The BN's excuse is a poor excuse; its clear Badawi and his cabinet are scared of the opposition.

It only makes Anwar look better in contrast.


Yes, as my comrade Melvin has observed, it made Anwar look like the PM and Kit Siang look like the DPM. Pity those BN MPs who were there with their leaders going "AWOL". :(
 

Avantas

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Stop promoting your comrade's bo shing li blog here lah..

DAP will be ashamed to be associated with a WAYANG OPPOSITION like you.
 

lockeliberal

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Dear Ramseth

it was a nice trip and an illuminating one in every sense. For some strange reason, the constant daily posting by someone of a particular blog is not considered "promotion" but the once in a blue moon posting of the blog of one individual is.


Cheers

Locke
 

The_Latest_H

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Yes, as my comrade Melvin has observed, it made Anwar look like the PM and Kit Siang look like the DPM. Pity those BN MPs who were there with their leaders going "AWOL". :(

<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/02/mccain-chilly-to-obama-on_n_131126.html">Sen. Obama tries to greet McCain; McCain tries to evade eye contact with Obama on Senate floor</a>

Here's one example of a guy not afraid of meeting and greeting a person, even when that person is your opponent in an election. Of course, McCain was afraid of Obama; even in the first and second debate, McCain didn't want to look into his opponent's eyes. He became evasive, and that stuck.

The same thing goes for Badawi. The fact that he didn't want to go mano a mano with Anwar in Parliament shows that he's very afraid. That's why when Badawi suggested that Anwar could be arrested by ISD, I knew he was scared. Brave enough to suggest ISA arrest, but not brave enough to go mano a mano in Parliament against him.
 

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The fact that he didn't want to go mano a mano with Anwar in Parliament shows that he's very afraid. That's why when Badawi suggested that Anwar could be arrested by ISD, I knew he was scared. Brave enough to suggest ISA arrest, but not brave enough to go mano a mano in Parliament against him.

Our own Badawi is Lee Kuan Yew who made a hasty retreat after finding the going tough when he faced CSJ at the high court recently. The scheduled three-day hearing was cut short to one-and-a-half days because LKY couldn't match CSJ's eloquence during intense cross-examination.
 

The_Latest_H

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Our own Badawi is Lee Kuan Yew who made a hasty retreat after finding the going tough when he faced CSJ at the high court recently. The scheduled three-day hearing was cut short to one-and-a-half days because LKY couldn't match CSJ's eloquence during intense cross-examination.

That's why even GCT wouldn't survive a Hardball session on BBC a few years back. When you can't even handle a debate with a journalist, you're toasted.
 

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That's why even GCT wouldn't survive a Hardball session on BBC a few years back. When you can't even handle a debate with a journalist, you're toasted.

From Lee Kuan Yew down to LHL and GTC are only good at appearing on top through heavy editing in their boot-licking, 154th mouthpiece called mainstream media headed by a former deputy prime minister and staffed by ISD operatives.
 

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My humble observation;

1) "The politician pair was a warm, mild-mannered and pleasant couple, quite unlike the firebrands portrayed in various media" - ain't it the same for JBJ and CSJ who were constantly portrayed as firebrand but are actually quite warm and friendly in person?

2) "Another WP member expressed support and sympathy over the trials recently suffered by Ms Kok, who reciprocated the gesture and also mentioned the passing of Mr Jeyaretnam as a loss to the Singapore opposition." - sad isn't it, that besides offering condolenses to WP ex-SG, they do not seem to have anything else to offer or nothing in common to reciprocrate the support and sympathy to WP..sad isn't it that this same group of opposition members do not expressed support and sympathy over the many trials faced by oppositions members and activists who are up against the ruling party in SG just like DAP is up against BN.

3) "for us in WP, the entire expedition proved to be both fruitful and insightful" - Fruitful and insightful will only be useful if it is put into good use, therefore, I sincerely wish that after this WP's expedition, Singaporeans could see the rising of a more vocal opposition from a silent one.
 

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Dear Locke,

If not for the despicable cyber-blockade of TOC, the WP Club will not need to promote its blog here.

Don't think they don't know TOC has asked the major news aggregators and blogs not to aggregate WP Club.

In spite of your pathetic dirty tricks, the latest traffic ranking of WP Club is 4,482.......catching up TOC pretty soon !

LOL !!!
 

Avantas

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Hi Lamei,

These USELESS WP goons have nothing better to do in Singapore than to travel all the way to watch the Malaysian Parliament !!

If they really want to learn from DAP, why not learn from SDP here ??

After all, the methods employed by SDP is similar to DAP: civil activism, people power, vocal opposition etc.

I will ask my DAP friends to BOYCOTT WP from now onwards. We cannot allow the good name of DAP to be SMEARED by these useless fake opposition.
 

LaMei

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Hi Lamei,

If they really want to learn from DAP, why not learn from SDP here ??

After all, the methods employed by SDP is similar to DAP: civil activism, people power, vocal opposition etc.

Hi Avantas...

I have no issues with them going over to learn from DAP as I believe we all have alot to learn from them too...

However, I would sincerely like to see them put to good use what they have learn from DAP...
 

Ramseth

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1) "The politician pair was a warm, mild-mannered and pleasant couple, quite unlike the firebrands portrayed in various media" - ain't it the same for JBJ and CSJ who were constantly portrayed as firebrand but are actually quite warm and friendly in person?

Personally, I also agree that Dr. Chee and Ms. Chee are "warm, mild-mannered and pleasant...quite unlike the firebrands portrayed in various media..." I speak for myself here. Others form their own opinions.


2) "Another WP member expressed support and sympathy over the trials recently suffered by Ms Kok, who reciprocated the gesture and also mentioned the passing of Mr Jeyaretnam as a loss to the Singapore opposition." - sad isn't it, that besides offering condolenses to WP ex-SG, they do not seem to have anything else to offer or nothing in common to reciprocrate the support and sympathy to WP..sad isn't it that this same group of opposition members do not expressed support and sympathy over the many trials faced by oppositions members and activists who are up against the ruling party in SG just like DAP is up against BN.

This is an open international friendly exchange. Protocols have to be adhered to. Anything that comes close interfering with each other's domestic politics should and would be avoided.

For example, we could express sympathy over the ordeal suffered by Teresa whilst in detention. We couldn't possibly comment to the effect of denouncing or even criticising Malaysian ISA. And vice versa for the hosts.


3) "for us in WP, the entire expedition proved to be both fruitful and insightful" - Fruitful and insightful will only be useful if it is put into good use, therefore, I sincerely wish that after this WP's expedition, Singaporeans could see the rising of a more vocal opposition from a silent one.

Yes, agree. Though not all that's practicable in Malaysia are practicable in Singapore, many ideas are. No use learning without adopting into practice what's practicable, or at least adapting what's adaptable.
 

Ramseth

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it was a nice trip and an illuminating one in every sense.


Glad that you could join us for the Anwar openhouse and DAP dialogue. You've contributed quite a few useful questions and comments. Too bad you couldn't join us at Parlimen. You don't know what you've missed.
 

leetahbar

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of course, everyone is acting friendly and warm. but could everyone differentiate a sincere motive from a camouflaged hidden one?

by the way, friendly people use the mouth to explain not to bite or sow discords.
 
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