What has Chee Soon Juan done to hurt Singaporeons individually or collectively.

[myjohnson]

The PAP lawsuits hold no water in foreign courts- simply because they have no case. All they have is their vendetta. And history will deliver a boomerang, I can guarantee you of that. PAP is not immune to history; they are just as human as anyone of us.

Suharto had the foresight to allow his children to amass considerable wealth because he knew that when he is gone, the wolves will be there. There is no better protection than money and a lot of room for manoeuvring too.

 

[cass888]

SDP is a tiny political party. It has even less resources than other bigger opposition parties. Despite this, Chee is still able to write good commentaries for SDP website and continue to post good, informative articles for the public.

Without adequate information, for eg. cost of building HDB flats, the exact figures for PRs, S'pore Citizens in unemployment figures etc, it is very difficult to have accurate data to do analysis work.

Other countries have laws to give citizens right to information (non-security related) and an independent media that provides good, balanced coverage and a fair political system etc for opposition to work in. All these are absence in Singapore.

SDP was the biggest political party in Singapore with three MPs. The MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan and his reCHEEme has reduced that to a THREE minus THREE equals a BIG FAT ZERO.

 

[one2unite]

SDP was the biggest political party in Singapore with three MPs. The MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan and his reCHEEme has reduced that to a THREE minus THREE equals a BIG FAT ZERO.

PAP was started as a mass-based party by the true leader of Singapore Lim Chin Siong and others. But it was hijacked by the biggest MONGREL of all, the British lackey Lee Kuan Yew who has turned the party into his private harem.

PAP remains only in name with LKY's incompetent offspring LHL as PM and LKY's daughter-in-law HC using our reserves as her piggy bank. PAP is a place for yes men and yes women of fascist Lee Kuan Yew.

 

[cass888]

PAP was started as a mass-based party by the true leader of Singapore Lim Chin Siong and others. But it was hijacked by the biggest MONGREL of all, the British lackey Lee Kuan Yew who has turned the party into his private harem.

PAP remains only in name with LKY's incompetent offspring LHL as PM and LKY's daughter-in-law HC using our reserves as her piggy bank. PAP is a place for yes men and yes women of fascist Lee Kuan Yew.

I am much happier with what PAP is doing rather than having Lim Chin Siong play RobbinG Hood.

 

[one2unite]

I am much happier with what PAP is doing rather than having Lim Chin Siong play RobbinG Hood.

PAP is nothing but a convenient vehicle to protect and satisfy the avaricious greed of fascist Lee Kuan Yew, his family, relatives, cronies and hangers-on.

The real and true leader of Singapore Lim Chin Siong would not have brought the country to where our uncles, aunties and the retirees are swindled of their hard-earned CPF savings and forced to clean tables, toilets, sell tissue papers, collect empty cans and card boards to eke out a living in their twilight years.

The charismatic and genuine leader Lim Chin Siong would not have degenerated to the level of US lackey and MONGREL Lee Kuan Yew who is prostituting Singapore to foreigners, economic criminals, money launderers, con men wanted in other countries.

Lim Chin Siong would not have forced onto us an incompetent son as PM and allowed a daughter-in-law to squander away our reserves and assets.

PAP is Lee family and the Lee family is PAP!

 

[chinkangkor]

SDP was the biggest political party in Singapore with three MPs. The MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan and his reCHEEme has reduced that to a THREE minus THREE equals a BIG FAT ZERO.

Even without the HDB upgrading programmes in GE 1997, the potent direct threats of LKY, massive gerrymandering, negative mainstream media portrayal of Ling and Cheo, SDP infighting etc would have finished them politically.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

On the contrary, I would say "actvist" rather than "politician". Even JBJ got elected into parliament notwithstanding Lee Kuan Yew being PM, whereas Dr Chee has never carried the mandate of the people, and not for wont of trying.

Chee is a much more effective politician than Chiam.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

If Dr Chee can reasonably translate a constructive sound cogent policy of good goverance with a socialist edge that is reasonably sustainable over the long term in a bite size form that the public masses can understand and relate to, then I think he may stand a chance of making headway at the next polls albeit not for himself as he appears to be disqualifed because fo his bankruptcy status. I don't think the public expect Dr Chee or any other oppo to distribute money directly. But at the sametime I do not think the general public is very much interested in the abstract ideals of liberal democracy and human rights. Someone once said "if you are not a communist at 20, you do not have a heart, and if you are still a communist at 40, then you do not a brain"

You expect Chee to distribute money to you iszit?

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Your romanticised take on Lim Chin Siong is entertaining.

Btw in the Plen's incomplete memoirs, he appears to imply that Lim Chin Siong was indeed a communist.

PAP was started as a mass-based party by the true leader of Singapore Lim Chin Siong and others. But it was hijacked by the biggest MONGREL of all, the British lackey Lee Kuan Yew who has turned the party into his private harem.

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[chinkangkor]

On the contrary, I would say "actvist" rather than "politician". Even JBJ got elected into parliament notwithstanding Lee Kuan Yew being PM, whereas Dr Chee has never carried the mandate of the people, and not for wont of trying.

Chee has changed his strategy after the GE 1997. Athough he has not won any seat, his political contribution is much more than those who did win parlimentary seats, and has proven to be more effective in pushing for political openness than his political peers.

In whatever things one does, there is always an element of luck. There was a groundswell of unhappiness in Anson back then, and JBJ was there at the right time to take advantage of PAP's mishandling after several attempts to win a seat in the 1970s.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Please get real. If Lim Chin Siong had succeeded Singapore may well have gone the predictable low road of all other communist socialist countries of that era. Like I said in another post above, the Plen implied that Lim Chin Siong was a communist. Ironically in an interview with historian Mel Chew in the early 90s before he died, Lim Chin Siong graciously conceded that Singapore was an economic success under Lee Kuan Yew's leadership although he predictably did take issue on political and social progress lamenting at moneythesim being the be all and end of all. Same goes for Tan Wah Piow in an interview a few years ago.

PAP is nothing but a convenient vehicle to protect and satisfy the avaricious greed of fascist Lee Kuan Yew, his family, relatives, cronies and hangers-on.

The real and true leader of Singapore Lim Chin Siong would not have brought the country to where our uncles, aunties and the retirees are swindled of their hard-earned CPF savings and forced to clean tables, toilets, sell tissue papers, collect empty cans and card boards to eke out a living in their twilight years.

The charismatic and genuine leader Lim Chin Siong would not have degenerated to the level of US lackey and MONGREL Lee Kuan Yew who is prostituting Singapore to foreigners, economic criminals, money launderers, con men wanted in other countries.

 

[chinkangkor]

If Dr Chee can reasonably translate a constructive sound cogent policy of good goverance with a socialist edge that is reasonably sustainable over the long term in a bite size form that the public masses can understand and relate to, then I think he may stand a chance of making headway at the next polls albeit not for himself as he appears to be disqualifed because fo his bankruptcy status. I don't think the public expect Dr Chee or any other oppo to distribute money directly. But at the sametime I do not think the general public is very much interested in the abstract ideals of liberal democracy and human rights. Someone once said "if you are not a communist at 20, you do not have a heart, and if you are still a communist at 40, then you do not a brain"

With the political field so tilted and PAP's sound management of the economy, Chee stands little chance, although he can keep trying and trying to play within such a system. It seems that he has carved out a different role for himself.

It does not matter if the majority is not interested in human rights, so long there are enough people who support his causes and yearn for a more open political system. He still has a role to play.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Face facts. Dr Chee failed to win the public's mandate, plain and simple, and again I say for not wont of trying before he turned to civil disobedience. Dr Chee appears to be a dismal failure as a politician period, inheriting 2 MP seats and turing the gains into nought. He appears to be a fairly good activist not a politician.

As for JBJ, you do him a great disservice by baldly bringing luck into the equation with respect to his historical success at Anson. History has shown that it was because of JBJ's tenacity, fighting spirit and perseverance that he eventually won at Anson, notwithstanding being pounded and going through defamation lawsuits with Lee Kuan Yew prior to Anson.

Chee has changed his strategy after the GE 1997. Athough he has not won any seat, his political contribution is much more than those who did win parlimentary seats, and has proven to be more effective in pushing for political openness than his political peers.

In whatever things one does, there is always an element of luck. There was a groundswell of unhappiness in Anson back then, and JBJ was there at the right time to take advantage of PAP's mishandling after several attempts to win a seat in the 1970s.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

A peripherial role at best based on present and foreseeable local ground conditions.

It does not matter if the majority is not interested in human rights, so long there are enough people who support his causes and yearn for a more open political system. He still has a role to play.

 

[0939]

Lets go back to the beginning, Chee was a credible opposition when he joined SDP. This strengthened Chiam's party which had 3 seats. It would be a credible party to fight
PAP. The ambitious Chee with arrogant Lin How Doong and betrayal Wong and co kicked Chiam
out. What do you think Singaporeans see. The damage was done in the very first place.
So no matter what Chee's doing. He is finished. CHEE soon wan le.

 

[chinkangkor]

Face facts. Dr Chee failed to win the public's mandate, plain and simple, and again I say for not wont of trying before he turned to civil disobedience. Dr Chee appears to be a dismal failure as a politician period, inheriting 2 MP seats and turing the gains into nought. He appears to be a fairly good activist not a politician.

With compliant judges and a bias media, it's hard for talented opposition like Chee to engage the ruling PAP effectively in meaningful debate. Chee lost to a manipulated system and has sought to expose it internationally. His contribution to a more open Singapore will be much greater than winning a seat or two at the polls.

The success or failure of winning one or two parliamentary seats is not the sole measure of a politician contribution. It is the contributions to the opposition cause and to S'pore's political system that is much more important.

 

[chinkangkor]

A peripherial role at best based on present and foreseeable local ground conditions.

The whole opposition plays a marginal role in S'pore politics. Not just Chee and SDP.

 

[chinkangkor]

As for JBJ, you do him a great disservice by baldly bringing luck into the equation with respect to his historical success at Anson. History has shown that it was because of JBJ's tenacity, fighting spirit and perseverance that he eventually won at Anson, notwithstanding being pounded and going through defamation lawsuits with Lee Kuan Yew prior to Anson.

Face reality. PAP has managed the economy exceedingly well and there are very little chance for opposition to make a kill. Without any mistakes from the PAP, it would be hard for JBJ to make a break through. That is what I meant an element of luck is needed, even with tenacity, fighting spirit and perseverance.

 

[chinkangkor]

The ambitious Chee with arrogant Lin How Doong and betrayal Wong and co kicked Chiam
out. What do you think Singaporeans see. The damage was done in the very first place.
So no matter what Chee's doing. He is finished. CHEE soon wan le.

Chiam resigned as Secretary General of SDP after he had failed to get his CEC to censure Chee for going for the hunger strike.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Contribution as an "activist" and not as a "politician".

With compliant judges and a bias media, it's hard for talented opposition like Chee to engage the ruling PAP effectively in meaningful debate. Chee lost to a manipulated system and has sought to expose it internationally. His contribution to a more open Singapore will be much greater than winning a seat or two at the polls.

The success or failure of winning one or two parliamentary seats is not the sole measure of a politician contribution. It is the contributions to the opposition cause and to S'pore's political system that is much more important.