Typhoon struck pineapple land for a reason

[Frodo]

Well, we all have heard the saying that fact is stranger than fiction, but until fact is proven, it remains fiction.

The coelacanth case is a good one for those who wish for mysteries to still exist. I am hoping for prove of the Orang Pendek. Perhaps someone from Singapore should start an expedition to search for it and do something other than make money, that'll make life more exciting.

Evolution is so far still a theory as no intermittent forms of fossils/skeletons have been discovered. Scientists are still researching. For me, some things we may never find out for sure during our lifetimes.

Cheers!

There's a big difference between knowing something to be true and showing something to be true. Do you agree?

Is that all you have to comment on the coelacanth? Looks like a casual shrug off.

Maybe the missing links are not missing but just that they weren't there in the first place?

 

[Frodo]

bro, you are under-informed but better than those who are mis-informed with warp scientific info to satisfy religion beliefs. Scientists have already discovered the intermittent forms!

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/9136200/#.UuTVU_sRV4-

Humans and apes have similar physical anatomies so similarities of DNA may be expected. But how does this observation prove the existence of missing links?

 

[Agoraphobic]

Thanks for the link. And yes, I am under-informed, but that is because I do not immerse myself to study these topics, I mostly read stuff that is easily available, postings on the net, emails I receive. I don't even read the ST except for the weekend editions.

This DNA topic, of which I am unfamiliar does reinforce the "knowledge" that chimps and us have similar ancestors. Even in the ape-world, bonobos and chimps have evolved differently, said to be caused by living on different sides of a river in the Congo. And there are still big differences between us and chimps. There is a large specie of ape in Asia, called gigantopithecus, and is rumoured to be a descendant of the cryptic Yeti, or Abominable Snowman. Wish I studied this field in uni than idiotic engineering. Would have been more interesting. In any case, the link does not confirm the missing link. We're still looking I guess.

Cheers!

bro, you are under-informed but better than those who are mis-informed with warp scientific info to satisfy religion beliefs. Scientists have already discovered the intermittent forms!

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/9136200/#.UuTVU_sRV4-

 

[Agoraphobic]

Thanks. However, I will only read it when I am very very free. Trying to prove the existence of Christ isn't a priority for me. I just try to live life and be a good human to the best I can.

Cheers!

Then I suggest you look at the works of Gary Habermas and Mike Licona

http://www.garyhabermas.com/
http://www.risenjesus.com/

 

[Agoraphobic]

Yes. I agree with you on this. But what it the coelacanth to me? Sorry, as one with Chinese ancestory, I am only prompted to ask, does it taste good? Recommend for fish-head curry or steamed? Outside of these questions, I am interested only because it is knowledge, I am not an ardent ichthyoid. No patience to fish, and too lazy to maintain an aquarium.

I like what you said about the missing link not being there in the first place. Then someone, or something made them. Todate, some are speculating that our DNAs may have been manipulated by advanced beings (ancient aliens?). Well, maybe. Maybe not. We don't know for sure. But nothing to prevent us from speculating.

Cheers!

There's a big difference between knowing something to be true and showing something to be true. Do you agree?

Is that all you have to comment on the coelacanth? Looks like a casual shrug off.

Maybe the missing links are not missing but just that they weren't there in the first place?

 

[Frodo]

Thanks. However, I will only read it when I am very very free. Trying to prove the existence of Christ isn't a priority for me. I just try to live life and be a good human to the best I can.

Cheers!

It's not a priority for me either.

But the Person of Jesus Christ is certainly very relevant, because if He is who He claimed to be, then living a good life to the best of your ability is still not good enough.

 

[Frodo]

Thanks for the link. And yes, I am under-informed, but that is because I do not immerse myself to study these topics, I mostly read stuff that is easily available, postings on the net, emails I receive. I don't even read the ST except for the weekend editions.

This DNA topic, of which I am unfamiliar does reinforce the "knowledge" that chimps and us have similar ancestors. Even in the ape-world, bonobos and chimps have evolved differently, said to be caused by living on different sides of a river in the Congo. And there are still big differences between us and chimps. There is a large specie of ape in Asia, called gigantopithecus, and is rumoured to be a descendant of the cryptic Yeti, or Abominable Snowman. Wish I studied this field in uni than idiotic engineering. Would have been more interesting. In any case, the link does not confirm the missing link. We're still looking I guess.

Cheers!

The subject of DNA does not reinforce evolution which speaks of undirected natural processes at work. Rather it reinforces intelligent design. DNA is information that codes for many things in living things. Code presupposes mind, intelligence, purpose etc.

 

[Frodo]

Yes. I agree with you on this. But what it the coelacanth to me? Sorry, as one with Chinese ancestory, I am only prompted to ask, does it taste good? Recommend for fish-head curry or steamed? Outside of these questions, I am interested only because it is knowledge, I am not an ardent ichthyoid. No patience to fish, and too lazy to maintain an aquarium.

I like what you said about the missing link not being there in the first place. Then someone, or something made them. Todate, some are speculating that our DNAs may have been manipulated by advanced beings (ancient aliens?). Well, maybe. Maybe not. We don't know for sure. But nothing to prevent us from speculating.

Cheers!

What the coelacanth means to you is one thing, but what it means is another. As mentioned earlier, it has long been touted as one of the missing links in human evolution, supposedly extinct for 65 million years. Now it is found happily alive and looking pretty much the same as its fossilised "ancestor". The implications are enormous for the popular belief in evolution. Postulating alien creators simply push the question back into another part of the universe but leaves the issue still hanging. Besides it seems like an ad hoc theory to avoid thinking about God as Creator.

 

[Agoraphobic]

That Jesus Christ is a very relevant person need not be reinforced further. It is, whether anyone believes or not. Christianity is based on his story, his teachings. Society and history has been shaped by it.

Whether my "good enough" is good enough matters only to me. I am not here to impress anyone else.

Cheers!

It's not a priority for me either.

But the Person of Jesus Christ is certainly very relevant, because if He is who He claimed to be, then living a good life to the best of your ability is still not good enough.

 

[Agoraphobic]

Yes. You are correct, it does not reinforce evolution. However, at this point, creation, evolution, and intelligent design are all at investigative level. We have not reached enough knowledge to conclude anyone is the correct one yet. There are arguments pro and against in all cases.

Cheers!

The subject of DNA does not reinforce evolution which speaks of undirected natural processes at work. Rather it reinforces intelligent design. DNA is information that codes for many things in living things. Code presupposes mind, intelligence, purpose etc.

 

[Agoraphobic]

The coelacanth to me is just news. I read that its flesh doesn't taste good because of some oils it contains, but that is not for us to worry about, I bet it's even more expensive than that giant grouper they caught and sold in Penang. God as the Creator, well, when we do not have any other convincing explanations, it seems like a good path to rely on God to explain things.

Cheers!

What the coelacanth means to you is one thing, but what it means is another. As mentioned earlier, it has long been touted as one of the missing links in human evolution, supposedly extinct for 65 million years. Now it is found happily alive and looking pretty much the same as its fossilised "ancestor". The implications are enormous for the popular belief in evolution. Postulating alien creators simply push the question back into another part of the universe but leaves the issue still hanging. Besides it seems like an ad hoc theory to avoid thinking about God as Creator.

 

[Frodo]

That Jesus Christ is a very relevant person need not be reinforced further. It is, whether anyone believes or not. Christianity is based on his story, his teachings. Society and history has been shaped by it.

Whether my "good enough" is good enough matters only to me. I am not here to impress anyone else.

Cheers!

Yes, belief in Jesus is what ultimately matters, because if He is who He claimed He is, then it really matters.

It is not about impressing anyone, it is whether we have met God's moral requirements. It's like you have house rules for your kids, would you be happy if they tell you what they do is good enough for them and not meant to impress you?

 

[Frodo]

Yes. You are correct, it does not reinforce evolution. However, at this point, creation, evolution, and intelligent design are all at investigative level. We have not reached enough knowledge to conclude anyone is the correct one yet. There are arguments pro and against in all cases.

Cheers!

It is not about amassing knowledge on this subject, and how much knowledge do we need anyway to conclude? As it stands now there is already a lot of evidence and facts that we can draw a conclusion as to where the evidence points to.

 

[Frodo]

The coelacanth to me is just news. I read that its flesh doesn't taste good because of some oils it contains, but that is not for us to worry about, I bet it's even more expensive than that giant grouper they caught and sold in Penang. God as the Creator, well, when we do not have any other convincing explanations, it seems like a good path to rely on God to explain things.

Cheers!

How the coelacanth taste like is besides the point.

That the universe exists can only be attributable to two causes. Either an all powerful being who is not part of the universe i.e. God created it, or the universe made itself. There is no third alternative.

 

[duluxe]

That Jesus Christ is a very relevant person need not be reinforced further. It is, whether anyone believes or not. Christianity is based on his story, his teachings. Society and history has been shaped by it.

Whether my "good enough" is good enough matters only to me. I am not here to impress anyone else.

Cheers!

bro, I am leaned towared you arguments. Crucifixion being cornerstone of Christianity and almost every evangelist uses it to tout their belief. Surprisingly, they are still unable to find the nails used.

The missing years between Jesus's childhood and the beginning of his ministry is another riddle still lacking convincing explanation. Jesus is supposingly not an ordinary man and is claimed by christians to be the son of god. Being such an important and special character, the missing account is really thought provocative when others key historical figures of his era in the vicinity region are better documented.


Global flood tribal story. If there is really such a flood that submerged the highest mountain on earth, there should be abundant traces left everywhere. Yet, they are unable to produce any evidence except faith-based assertion. We need to look at the similarities between biblical Noah flood and the Babylonian's Epic Of Gilgamesh. Both cases the flood was supposed to be global.Both arks landed on mountains in the middle east. The Babylonian ark landed on Mt. Nasir and the bible ark landed on Mt. Ararat which are no more than a few hundred miles apart. Read this wiki page for more bewildering similarities, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh

 

[duluxe]

Thanks for the link. And yes, I am under-informed, but that is because I do not immerse myself to study these topics, I mostly read stuff that is easily available, postings on the net, emails I receive. I don't even read the ST except for the weekend editions.

This DNA topic, of which I am unfamiliar does reinforce the "knowledge" that chimps and us have similar ancestors. Even in the ape-world, bonobos and chimps have evolved differently, said to be caused by living on different sides of a river in the Congo. And there are still big differences between us and chimps. There is a large specie of ape in Asia, called gigantopithecus, and is rumoured to be a descendant of the cryptic Yeti, or Abominable Snowman. Wish I studied this field in uni than idiotic engineering. Would have been more interesting. In any case, the link does not confirm the missing link. We're still looking I guess.

Cheers!

bro,
I missed out the wiki link, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_fossil


The undeniable evidence of human and chimp descending from a common ancestor(common ancestry), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_2_(human)

 

[Agoraphobic]

Our species have not even agreed on what/who God is, or whether there is a (or several) God(s) even. There are only two (or three, or four) people (even if fictitious) who claimed to have communicated with God, Jesus, and Mohammed (and probably Moses, Noah, and some other biblical figures). And from these, I listen only to Jesus' teachings - to love, to forgive (if they know not what they do), as a mere mortal, don't think I can do more, will try though.

As for my kid, spend less time on that Nintendo DS will be a good start.

Cheers!

Yes, belief in Jesus is what ultimately matters, because if He is who He claimed He is, then it really matters.

It is not about impressing anyone, it is whether we have met God's moral requirements. It's like you have house rules for your kids, would you be happy if they tell you what they do is good enough for them and not meant to impress you?

 

[Agoraphobic]

If I were to pick one, I'd say it leans towards intelligent design. Who, or what is this intelligent being(s), it yet to be known.

Cheers!

It is not about amassing knowledge on this subject, and how much knowledge do we need anyway to conclude? As it stands now there is already a lot of evidence and facts that we can draw a conclusion as to where the evidence points to.

 

[Agoraphobic]

I'm sorry. I have to say that we do not know. Some things, I can safely say I accept that I will not know in my life, and it won't bother me. Our human minds are too small to comprehend things beyond our three dimensional time/space coordinates. There are limitless possibilities that our mind/imagination cannot even conjure.

Cheers!

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That the universe exists can only be attributable to two causes. Either an all powerful being who is not part of the universe i.e. God created it, or the universe made itself. There is no third alternative.

 

[Agoraphobic]

We know crucifixion was a Roman practice to display to the public what happens to criminals and probably was used as a means of prevention of crimes against them. That Jesus was crucified served to fulfil the scriptures. The cross became a Christian symbol. The story is very powerful. The nails were probably recycled and reused despite the wealth of Rome.

I am sure there were many floods throughout history. The biblical flood is just one. And from it the ancients forged the story of Noah's Ark which tells of God's intentions and goodness. I like the story and am looking forward to watch the coming movie. The bible stories are good, for it describes the evilness of man, and that among these men, there are good ones. And this gives us hope.

Cheers!

bro, I am leaned towared you arguments. Crucifixion being cornerstone of Christianity and almost every evangelist uses it to tout their belief. Surprisingly, they are still unable to find the nails used.

The missing years between Jesus's childhood and the beginning of his ministry is another riddle still lacking convincing explanation. Jesus is supposingly not an ordinary man and is claimed by christians to be the son of god. Being such an important and special character, the missing account is really thought provocative when others key historical figures of his era in the vicinity region are better documented.


Global flood tribal story. If there is really such a flood that submerged the highest mountain on earth, there should be abundant traces left everywhere. Yet, they are unable to produce any evidence except faith-based assertion. We need to look at the similarities between biblical Noah flood and the Babylonian's Epic Of Gilgamesh. Both cases the flood was supposed to be global.Both arks landed on mountains in the middle east. The Babylonian ark landed on Mt. Nasir and the bible ark landed on Mt. Ararat which are no more than a few hundred miles apart. Read this wiki page for more bewildering similarities, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh