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Today's Scripture Reading

Psalm23 , I agree with you about the parts you mentioned about God.. but when you ask ppl to say Jesus is God thats where everything gets muddled.

Can you believe that God is altogether greater than Jesus?what does Jesus himself mean when he said in the bible " MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I" ? does not this show that Jesus is not GOD?

very clear very simple and God is not the Author of confusion.

Dear guy-uninterrupted,

You have asked a fair question and a fair answer should be given. I will answer this in one of my messages to be posted in Today's Scripture Reading thread.

As I have mentioned at the very beginning, we don't expect people to agree with us everything but any discussions must be conducted in a civilized manner and we must not use any abusive language. I am so glad that you have asked this question in a civilized manner and I hope others can do the same. I am not trying to set any standard nor to undermine what people write. I have absolute no right to do this. Nonetheless, my humble request is that we all give a fair thought to the thread here because abusive language has no placed in the discussions about religion, whether one believe in God or not.

Hope my this humble request can be acceptable to the readers.

God Bless
 
Dear guy-uninterrupted,

You have asked a fair question and a fair answer should be given. I will answer this in one of my messages to be posted in Today's Scripture Reading thread.

As I have mentioned at the very beginning, we don't expect people to agree with us everything but any discussions must be conducted in a civilized manner and we must not use any abusive language. I am so glad that you have asked this question in a civilized manner and I hope others can do the same. I am not trying to set any standard nor to undermine what people write. I have absolute no right to do this. Nonetheless, my humble request is that we all give a fair thought to the thread here because abusive language has no placed in the discussions about religion, whether one believe in God or not.

Hope my this humble request can be acceptable to the readers.

God Bless

Psalm23= Goodnews= sore Christian=loser Christian
Don't play with words. Using another nick Goodnews to intimidate others is not the way to go, though Psalm23 nick pretend to be to a clean-shaved guy.

Using double standard will invite f'... words from others and that is when you deserved it. More f... word will be use from now on if you try to play double (play God and Play as Satan).

Exposing tan.. to prove your piont is a sore and disgusting christian. Shame on you. You are not challenging on points but using anger (Your God is an angry God) and imitate your God character is shame and disgusting.


Now possible Goodnews= guy-uninterrupted= Psalm23.

This is place getting messy.
 
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Now possible Goodnews= guy-uninterrupted= Psalm23.

This is place getting messy. [/QUOTE]



Dude ,me= goodnews??:rolleyes:get real man im trying to get him to see other's points of view.

He prob has learnt yours although he may not appreciate the manner in which u have engaged him.

For what he did with goodnews he has apologized for and we should appreciate that as not many will admit and apologize im sure youd agree.So lets give the guy a break and we can move on to learn from each other once more makin this thread one which we can debate/argue our points in an adult manner.

Have a good and peaceful weekend
 
Now possible Goodnews= guy-uninterrupted= Psalm23.

This is place getting messy.


Dude ,me= goodnews??:rolleyes:get real man im trying to get him to see other's points of view.

He prob has learnt yours although he may not appreciate the manner in which u have engaged him.

For what he did with goodnews he has apologized for and we should appreciate that as not many will admit and apologize im sure youd agree.So lets give the guy a break and we can move on to learn from each other once more makin this thread one which we can debate/argue our points in an adult manner.

Have a good and peaceful weekend
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If not for us to be able the sus the different and similarity, Psalm23 will continue to use Goodnews to attack while keeping Psalm23 playing a clean-shaved guy.

You will never get anything from this Psalm23, move on. God is God and and Jesus is Jesus and he can't tell the different. Jesus is not God and in G O Mark Rabbi, referrring to Jesus as a teacher, was mentioned 13 times.

God don't have to eat, drink and sleep and so are All sons of God don't have to eat, drink and sleep, but Jesus have to eat, drink and sleep and how can Jesus be one of sons of God?
 



"we can move on to learn from each other once more makin this thread one which we can debate/argue our points in an adult manner - from guy-interrupted"


This is exactly what I was pointing out but people just keeping jumping when we try to tell them to discuss the topic in more civilized manner. I am glad you are align to my what I am trying to convince others to be more civilzed and from your thread, I know you are a civlized adult. There is no need to use vulgarity like four letter-word or basxxxxx. This is simply not just childish, 'unadult' but uncivilized. This is the last thing we need in the thread here because there are already so much of these vularities in the threads in Sammyboy!

I am not here to say you all must agree with what I say (because they are also many things that I don't agree with what others say, especially when it comes to religion or discussion about God) but any discussion must be in an adult-manner (as pointed out by you). In any event, I have already pointed out many many times, the threads under Today's Scripture Reading are mainly for Christians and if non-Christians think that these are 'loads of rubbish' than just ignored them. There are many other things you can read in the internet and the last things we all want to read about are 'rubbish things'.

You can see in today's Straits Times, there are 7 pages of news about Christianity in China. I know someone here is going to be very sore because he felt that the God of Israel is for the Jewish and as Chinese we should just "pray to our ancestors and that will be just fine."

But in today's Straits Times, we see the growth of Christianity among educated and white-collar workers. For Christians we are very encouraged because we too also felt that Christianity in China is confined to those living in the 'caves' and only the simple people like the farmers and the uneducated are 'conned' to believe in the Bible. But it seems not anymore. Educated and white collar professionals are getting very disappointed with China's development, although it does bring up the standard of living, but the pressure and the stress that people are facing because of the economic development are telling a different story - people still face 'emptiness" the word used by one of sociologists who is a non-Christian. So, many people turn to God to fill the void. From Christian standpoints, only God can fill the void of human emptiness. For us, our God is the God of the Bible, Jesus Christ. Remember, when you use use vulgar word to rebuke my belief that Jesus is God, you are not using on me alone; the vulgar word you use apply to the 70 million Chinese Christians in China and hundred of million people outside China because all truly born-again Christians believe that Jesus is God.

The Mao's Little Red Book is now replaced with the Little Red Bible - the people there have chosen to print the Bible what look like the Mao's Little Red Book. Even though the newspaper say that there are 70 million Christians in China now,but compared to the population of China at 1.4 billion and the world's population of 6 billion, this is just a tiny percentage. Even with the growth taking place, Christians are going to be a minority because the Bible has said very clearly: The world knew Him not.

Having said all these, let's agree to disagree and any discussion should be in an adult manner. Vulgarity should be avoided especially when we are discussing religion. And if you feel that what you are reading, you are not getting anything, than stop reading them. But the interesting observation is that those 'not getting anything thing' can get people so geared and charged up! I just could'nt understand!

God Bless.
 
"we can move on to learn from each other once more makin this thread one which we can debate/argue our points in an adult manner - from guy-interrupted"

This is exactly what I was pointing out but people just keeping jumping when we try to tell them to discuss the topic in more civilized manner. I am glad you are align to my what I am trying to convince others to be more civilzed and from your thread, I know you are a civlized adult. There is no need to use vulgarity like four letter-word or basxxxxx. This is simply not just childish, 'unadult' but uncivilized. This is the last thing we need in the thread here because there are already so much of these vularities in the threads in Sammyboy!

I am not here to say you all must agree with what I say (because they are also many things that I don't agree with what others say, especially when it comes to religion or discussion about God) but any discussion must be in an adult-manner (as pointed out by you). In any event, I have already pointed out many many times, the threads under Today's Scripture Reading are mainly for Christians and if non-Christians think that these are 'loads of rubbish' than just ignored them. There are many other things you can read in the internet and the last things we all want to read about are 'rubbish things'.

You can see in today's Straits Times, there are 7 pages of news about Christianity in China. I know someone here is going to be very sore because he felt that the God of Israel is for the Jewish and as Chinese we should just "pray to our ancestors and that will be just fine."

But in today's Straits Times, we see the growth of Christianity among educated and white-collar workers. For Christians we are very encouraged because we too also felt that Christianity in China is confined to those living in the 'caves' and only the simple people like the farmers and the uneducated are 'conned' to believe in the Bible. But it seems not anymore. Educated and white collar professionals are getting very disappointed with China's development, although it does bring up the standard of living, but the pressure and the stress that people are facing because of the economic development are telling a different story - people still face 'emptiness" the word used by one of sociologists who is a non-Christian. So, many people turn to God to fill the void. From Christian standpoints, only God can fill the void of human emptiness. For us, our God is the God of the Bible, Jesus Christ. Remember, when you use use vulgar word to rebuke my belief that Jesus is God, you are not using on me alone; the vulgar word you use apply to the 70 million Chinese Christians in China and hundred of million people outside China because all truly born-again Christians believe that Jesus is God.

The Mao's Little Red Book is now replaced with the Little Red Bible - the people there have chosen to print the Bible what look like the Mao's Little Red Book. Even though the newspaper say that there are 70 million Christians in China now,but compared to the population of China at 1.4 billion and the world's population of 6 billion, this is just a tiny percentage. Even with the growth taking place, Christians are going to be a minority because the Bible has said very clearly: The world knew Him not.

Having said all these, let's agree to disagree and any discussion should be in an adult manner. Vulgarity should be avoided especially when we are discussing religion. And if you feel that what you are reading, you are not getting anything, than stop reading them. But the interesting observation is that those 'not getting anything thing' can get people so geared and charged up! I just could'nt understand!

God Bless.

Tiu leh lo mo, Psalm23, now get use to all the F... words! don't try convince that Chinese in China are taking up Bible. Soon many will come to know it is a fake book, like most Singaporeans have, that the Bible is full of crap and false pretenses. Jesus is not God nor one of sons of god!

Leave the OT to the Jews, you as gentiles has no place in Jewish God kindom of heaven, and perhaps join the Italians who wrote the NT to believe Paul is their Saint, Mary is their Saint, Jesus one of their Gods. Put a pre-fix Paul-Christian may sound logical to you.
 
Jesus, a man, a prophet

Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know. ( THE ACTS 2:22)

All power is Given unto me in heaven and in earth (MATT 28:18)

I cast out devils BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD, then the Kingdom of God is come unto you (MATT 12:28)

I can of mine OWN SELF do nothing….(JOHN 5:30)

I with the FINGER OF GOD cast out devils… (LUKE11:20)

Father, I thank thee that whou hast heard me, And I know that thous hearest me always: be because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thous hast sent me. (JOHN 11:41-42)

“And they gave him(Jesus) a piece of broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
And he (Jesus) took it, and did eat before them.” (Luke24:42-43)

"I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me." [John 5:30]

"For I have not spoken on my own initiative; but the Father Himself who sent me, has given me commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak." [John 12: 49]

"And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God." [Mark 10:18]


Son of God? I say God have tons and tons of it.

"...Adam, which was the SON OF GOD." (Luke 3:38)

"...Israel is MY SON, even my firstborn." (Exodus 4:22)

"....for I (GOD) am a FATHER to Israel, and Ephraim is my FIRST BORN." (Jeremiah 31:9)

"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the SONS OF GOD." (Romans 8:14)

Father, I thank thee that whou hast heard me, And I know that thous hearest me always: be because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thous hast sent me. (JOHN 11:41-42)

Jesus speaking to himself?? :rolleyes:

“And they gave him(Jesus) a piece of broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
And he (Jesus) took it, and did eat before them.” (Luke24:42-43)

Jesus, like u and me, eat like any other human does...:D

Hmm...no respond at all after so many quotes? :D

Psalm23 , I agree with you about the parts you mentioned about God.. but when you ask ppl to say Jesus is God thats where everything gets muddled.

Can you believe that God is altogether greater than Jesus?what does Jesus himself mean when he said in the bible " MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I" ? does not this show that Jesus is not GOD?

very clear very simple and God is not the Author of confusion.

Dear guy-uninterrupted,

You have asked a fair question and a fair answer should be given. I will answer this in one of my messages to be posted in Today's Scripture Reading thread.


But guy uninterrupted only 1 post, Psalm bely bely eager to answer. :rolleyes: Another clone in the making. :D
 
You may have missed reading this article in the Straits Times. It is encouraging for us as Christians to learn the growth of Christianity in China. People are using their homes and their offices to spread God's message. In the past, the growth is mainly in the country side. But not anymore. Many educated professionals have surrendered their lives to Jesus for the everlasting hope.

While the persecution is not as severe as in the past, as Christian brothers and sisters, we still need to pray for our beloved believers in China. We are fortunate here that we have freedom of worship but this is not so in many countries, especially in communist countries and as you can see from the articles in today's Straits Times, communism is not only anti-God, true-blue communists do not believe in God. They will try every mean and put every obstacle to stop the message of God being spread. But, thankfully, all their attempts, if anything can go by, proved to have the opposite effect. The more they tried to stop the spread of the Gospel of Jesus, the more people will come to listen.

Just like my thread here. I started last July and there were an average of 40 - 60 'viewers' per day. But today, there are at least 100 - 150 and in some days over 200. This drastic increase happened when there are people trying to bring down the message and tell people the exact opposite of what the Bible taught.

Although I started the threads which were mainly to attract only Christians but now I believe the viewership has extended to many non-Christians. My job as commanded by our Lord Jesus is to share the Gospel (and I must add that my original purpose of the threads was mainly to encourage Christians) but looking at the number of viewership, I am fully convinced that God wants me to share His gospel with everyone - Christians and non-Christians. Remember the promise from God: If God is with us, who can be against us? (Romans 8:31). Remember also what God has told us: We are just dust. So, don't act hero and fight God. We don't even know when we are going to take our last breath, and the very second after we have take our last breath, it will be too late - too late to realise that the Word of God, the Bible is true, God is real, and the Blood of Jesus is the only way to save us from eternal destruction!

God bless and have a blessed weekend!

The Rise of Christ in China
The Straits Times Saturday, September 4 2010​

BEIJING: On the day the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) played God, a group of Chinese Christians played politics.

Fed up with a persistent drought, the government fired 186 doses of silver iodide into the clouds on Nov 1 last year, commanding a snowstorm which turned Beijing white in autumn.

The snowflakes fell on more than 500 members of Shouwang Church shivering by Haidian Park. It was the first outdoor Sunday congregation for the underground church and it came after their landlord succumbed to official pressure, forcing them out of their two-year-old home in an office building.
'It got so cold my feet went numb. But it was more important to me that we were defending the church's right to worship freely,' recalls a member surnamed He, who attended the service.

Shouwang's public defiance was a rare challenge to the CCP.

While all religions are enjoying a revival in China after being suppressed as 'spiritual pollution' during Mao Zedong's reign, Christianity seems most likely to cross swords with the communist sickle for influence and adherents.

The religion is not new to China, arriving from Persia as early as the seventh century. But since China embarked on its economic reforms in 1978, centuries of slow growth have given way to a staggering jump.

There are now 70 million Christians in China, according to the state-run Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, compared to just 2.5 million 30 years ago. This brings the number of parishioners to just eight million shy of the CCP's 78 million membership. The rate of growth in the number of Christians during this period has been 2,700 per cent, compared to 110 per cent by the party. More troubling for the party, an estimated 75 per cent of these new believers - Protestant and Catholic - are not to be found in state-blessed chapels but 'house churches', so named because they started in the homes of members. As illegal institutions, these churches can be closed and their leaders detained.

However, despite periodic official sweeps, Pastor Zhang Mingxuan, head of the unregistered Chinese House Church Alliance, declares: 'The more they repress us, the more Christians there will be.'

Contributing to the growing numbers is a surge in urban believers in the past decade, which has shifted the centre of Christianity from the villages of Henan and Anhui to the apartments of Beijing and Shanghai.

This burgeoning white-collar crowd is more aware of its rights and assertive in its demands to worship freely, publicly and legally.

The growing numbers worry the atheist regime, long wary of the potent mix of politics and religion.

The last imperial Qing dynasty was brought to its knees by the Taiping and Boxer rebellions in the 19th century, the former led by a man who claimed to be the brother of Jesus and the latter by pugilists calling on 'spirit soldiers' from heaven.

When the CCP first came to power in 1949, it quickly set up the Three-Self Patriotic Movement - 'self-governance, self-support and self-propagation' - to ensure all Christian churches fell in line and conformed to the new government's political objectives.

Those who baulked ended up in jail, sometimes for decades. Although less extensive and harsh now, crackdowns on those who prefer to worship outside the legal margins continue to this day.

Pastor Zhang, who says he has been arrested 37 times over the years, observes: 'The government thinks that if we have lots of people with us, we will challenge their political power. And they worry that we have links to churches overseas or bring in foreign funds or political movements.

'Some fear us like they used to fear the Falungong. But we're not the same. We never challenge the government. But they still fear us, because we're all over at the grassroots.'

The Falungong movement, whose members practise a mix of Buddhist and Taoist beliefs and breathing exercises, staged a protest outside Zhongnanhai, the CCP leaders' compound, in 1999. It was the last faith-based group to launch an open and public challenge to the CCP - until Shouwang Church.
While the authorities came down hard on Falungong, their approach to Christians has been more uneven and nuanced.

The CCP sees Christianity as tame compared to Falungong, says University of California, Los Angeles' Professor James Tong, who in June presented a statement on China's religious affairs to the US Congressional Executive Commission on China.

Prof Tong notes that the Supreme Procurator delivers an annual report to the National People's Congress each year, in which he lists the major law enforcement issues in China.

'Falungong, Xinjiang Muslims and Tibetans have made that list in some years, along with murder, kidnapping, organised crime and drug trafficking. No Christian group has made that list in the reform period,' he says.

But rough tactics have not entirely disappeared.

Last year, hundreds of policemen raided the mega Golden Lamp Church in Linfen, north-western Shanxi province. Bibles were seized, the church compound was smashed and pastors were jailed.

But more subtle methods were used in the Shouwang case.
No one was arrested or beaten but parishioners working in state-owned enterprises (SOEs) were threatened.

A church member in an SOE was told to choose between her job and Shouwang. She resigned. Yet a month later she received a call from her boss offering her her old job back. She took it.

Such inconsistency in the CCP's response is reflective of a regime still grappling with how best to assert control over this burgeoning faith.
It no longer enjoys the totalitarian power it had in Mao's time, but remains determined to manage any mass movement.

Instead, in recent years the CCP has been trying to promote Confucianism as a belief system, aware that post-Mao China has been searching for a new faith to help it come to grips with a rapidly changing society.

'After the Cultural Revolution in 1976, the CCP lost its devotees,' observes Mr Fan Yafeng, who was dismissed from the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences for religious activism.

However, the Confucianism project has had limited success so far, partly because it is not so much a religion as a system of moral principles. Some analysts point to the lukewarm box office support for the state-backed Confucius movie, shown earlier this year, as an indication that such top-down efforts find little traction among young people.

Religious scholar Liu Peng from the Pushi Institute of Social Science observes that the ability to choose one's religion is a key factor in the popularity of the house churches.

'They elect their own pastors, so the members feel a firmer commitment to the community,' he told state-run daily Global Times in May.

The house churches also prefer liturgical independence and a more passionate, evangelical outlook, attributes which bring them into conflict with the authorities.

That house churches, especially those in the cities, have taken an independent bent, is unsurprising. A sizeable number of their founders, such as those in Shouwang, were university students during the Tiananmen protests of 1989.

'1989 was a key turning point. It turned mainstream intellectuals from the CCP. Many turned to Christianity for answers,' says Mr Fan.

The answers have taken on an evangelical tone. While some Christians still go for the guerilla tactics of yore, retreating into homes and ceding public space to the government, others like Shouwang have elected to step out and make themselves heard.

The CCP's response to Shouwang is instructive on how the party may go about managing the challenge.

Initially, though it had bought an office, the house church was not allowed to move in as the Beijing government viewed ownership of properties as yet another step forward for the Christians.

However, instead of throwing its leaders into jail after the Nov 1 open-air protest, and an even larger outdoor gathering a week later, the authorities offered Shouwang's leaders a deal: Go back indoors and we will leave you alone.

Alas, the church could not find a suitable venue on short notice, prompting the government to play the unlikely role of housing agent. Eventually it found a theatre operated by the People's Liberation Army for Shouwang's Sunday service.

'It is a hopeful sign of how the government will deal with unregistered churches,' says analyst Carsten Vala, who is writing a book on the politics of Protestantism in China.

As long as the house churches do not threaten the CCP's grip on power, there are reasons to be optimistic that tensions on the road ahead will be adroitly defused. But if that line is crossed, the sharp end of the sickle is likely to come down swiftly. This, after all, is a party that believes there is no God and not one to take kindly to political challenges to its secular authority.


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It is now at 70 million. Just imagine if the CPP gahment did not restain the churches growth there would be hundred of millions of Chinese Christians by now. And if to give 1 yen to the mother RC in Vatican Rome, the Italains mafia Popes will be laughing their way to the banks.

Also Christians will cause divisions among the Chinese and Chinese culture will be destroy by these Westerners. CPP knows Bible is fake and will stop at anything to stop the spread of the Christianity in China.

Unless Chritain professed that there are confucius teachings and Buddha darmapada scriptures taught by Jesus in his sermon on the mount/plain, than it would be different. Then Confucius and Buddha teaching are ascended to become Word of God to the Christians in their Holy Bible.

Everything is negotiable.
 
Articles from The Straits Times - September 4, 2010

We need to uphold our dear brothers and sisters-in-Christ in China in our prayer.

Our Christian brothers and sisters in China are less clever than us? You think they don't know about Confucius teaching? You believe they can be so easily fooled into something that is fake? The growth of believers in China is a clear testimony that Jesus is God and their steadast faith is a great encouragement to us.

The Little Red Book of Mao's Thought is being replaced by the Little Red Bible, the Word of God!

God bless you all reading of these articles.


Jesus in the office
Office churches draw young white-collar Chinese in major cities

BEIJING: The stock market has closed for the day but trader Peter Zhang lingers in the office as his colleagues head out noisily to the bars for happy hour and a raucous karaoke session.
His dinner is KFC chicken, his companion the Bible. At 7pm, he leaves for another office building in the heart of the city. This is where his underground church meets.
As China steamrolls ahead in its urbanisation, Christianity is finding congregations in the archetypal city space - the office.
These so-called office churches have sprouted across major cities like Beijing and Shanghai, and are fast becoming the choice worship venues of young white-collar Chinese in their 20s and 30s.
They come dressed smartly in shirts, some carrying Starbucks coffee in one hand and the latest smartphone in the other. They use electronic Bibles.
The sermon that evening, as befitting the urban crowd, focuses on the temptations of modernity and the excesses of consumerism.
'Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. May we not be dragged into the pursuit of riches, big houses and power like the rest of modern Chinese society,' says Pastor Moses, who declines to disclose his real name in the interests of protecting the anonymity of the church.
Unlike the songs in the official churches or even the home churches, the hymns in the office outfits are more cosmopolitan, such as tunes from the popular American-Chinese worship group Streams Of Praise, delivered on an electric guitar.
The concerns of the church members are office-related too. A woman who is dressed in a Burberry power suit shares her experience navigating her life as an employee of a state-owned enterprise and as a member of an unsanctioned office church.
She says she is under pressure to join the officially approved church after her human resources manager found out recently that she is a Christian.
'I pray Su Ge will protect me from being demoted,' she adds, referring to a popular nickname young Chinese Christians use for 'Big Brother Jesus'.
The office church is also praying for protection - from its landlord. While home churches face direct pressure from the authorities, the office congregations are squeezed by their landlords who are usually pressed by the police to stop renting their premises to the religious groups.
As Pastor Moses says, the present landlord is wary about renewing the lease after he was questioned by the local police.
On hearing this, Mr Zhang, suddenly filled with confidence, turns to his prayer-mates: 'So what? Even so, we will still grow - we started as five believers and we are now 50. We have answers that modern Chinese society is craving.'
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A woman in a Burberry power suit shares her experience navigating her life as an employee of a state-owned enterprise and as a member of an unsanctioned office church. She says she is under pressure to join the officially approved church after her human resources manager found out recently that she is a Christian. 'I pray Su Ge will protect me from being demoted,' she adds, referring to a popular nickname young Chinese Christians use for 'Big Brother Jesus'.

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Jesus in the house
Despite pressure from the authorities, this house church has not registered and worships from temporary abodes

BEIJING: Even before the pale winter sunlight seeps through the tattered yellowed blinds of Sister Xi Le's apartment, the hymn leader of the putaoyuan (vineyard) church is busy setting out 40 stools in the sparsely furnished living room for worshippers.
Her flat is the latest temporary abode for the house church, which cannot rent public premises as it has steadfastly refused to register as a Three-Self Church despite pressure from the authorities since it was founded some 10 years ago.
As Sister Xi Le sets up a Casio digital piano donated by a church member, two ruddy-faced men in their 20s burst into the room, barely bigger than the average bedroom in a Housing Board flat.
They bear a big bag of groceries and 20 well-worn hymnals and Bibles printed in Hong Kong and hand-carried to Beijing. 'Praise God, we have green bean soup after lunch today!' says one of the two later, beaming as he bustles in the kitchen.
The 26-year-old, surnamed Li, is still clad in his grey Adidas down jacket as he flits between a huge simmering pot and a chopping board where apples are being cut for the Sunday schoolchildren.
As the grandfather clock strikes 9am, a young girl, whose English baptism name is Dove, stands on duty at the door to open it for the house church members and their guests. She hands them coverings for their snow-dusted shoes, before shutting the door tightly behind them. Everyone speaks in hushed tones. 'The neighbours complain to the local police if we sing or pray too loudly,' Dove says.
A middle-aged church pastor stands up in front of the TV set in a corner of the room and reads from Psalm 46 in the Bible: 'Be still and know that I am God.'
'Pray for the brothers and sisters who risk their lives for the Good News,' she tells the congregation of wizened folk in Mandarin-collar shirts who sit shoulder-to-shoulder with leather-clad youth.
A murmur rises in the room as those gathered lift their hands in prayer. The heat in the room rises, too, as more worshippers arrive, squeezing into the living room. Space soon runs out and some move to the hard wooden floor in the adjoining bedroom and kitchen.
At 9.30am, the church service proper starts on the dot. Sister Xi Le opens with a popular hymn China Morning 5am composed by Xiaomin, an uneducated Hunan village girl, whose compositions have become popular across the mainland and Taiwan over the past 15 years.
The congregation sings - softly but with gusto - to the off-tune Casio played by a nervous amateur. Some worshippers share songbooks, while others squint at blurred PowerPoint slides of lyrics Sister Xi Le projects onto a small part of a wall.
Then the pastor stands up to preach from the book of Joshua - an Israelite leader who brought God's people into the 'Promised Land' - reminding the congregation to 'be strong and courageous' in the face of adversity.
'I have been in prison three times, I have faced opposition even from good Christian brothers... But I know the true God triumphs,' she says in a voice shaky with emotion and memories.
The congregation responds to the sermon with nods and calls of 'Amen', interspersed with the shrill voices of four little children reciting Sunday school lessons - or sometimes fighting over toys.
Then it is time to welcome newcomers. A young girl from Inner Mongolia, accompanied by her colleague to a house church for the first time, introduces herself. 'Thanks for showing so much care and warmth to me,' she says shyly.
'Welcome, we have green bean soup for you!' calls out Mr Li, as the congregation laughs and applauds.
 
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[Please use the message here as the Lord leads, but nothing on the message must be used for profit!]​

Today’s Scripture Reading [September 5, 2010]

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. [Romans 3:25-26. KJV]


Today’s message is taken from Romans 3:25-26 (KJV). These verses further reinforce God’s stern warning that our sins can only cleansed and washed away by the blood of His Son, Jesus. Sadly, many people have refused to accept this stern warning. They have even come boldly to ‘evangelize’ to the world to the very contrary of the redeeming blood of Jesus. We tend to get impatient when we read and hear of their blasphemous messages. Jesus knew too well of our impatience and our earnest desire to rebuke these blasphemous messages and to defend His gospel, and hence giving us these comforting words: Be patient until His coming and to establish our hearts for His coming is at hand (James 5:7-8).

So, where are we now in God’s calendar? Just look around us – the world events, the regional and local news and compared to what the Bible has prophesied. Satan knows that his time is running out and because he knows that the time is not on his side, he is taking every possible opportunity to raise up as many false teachers and using as many doers of iniquities to deceive people (Matthew 24:11) as he possibly could. The tricks of Satan are not new – he will just lie and lie and lie! There is nothing new in his tricks and his purpose is: “Go and tell God’s precious souls that the blood of Jesus has no power to save you from eternal destruction.” The end result of being deceived into believing this is anything but eternal destruction. Even in this life, we can see the lifestyle of those people who rejected the blood of Jesus; they are pervasive and perverse in their speech when it comes to rebuking God’s truth. They falsely declare to the world that there is no God, there is no heaven, there is no hell, there is no life after death, there is no eternal judgment. Besides misleading themselves, they also try to mislead others. These doers of iniquities pronounced angrily and foully to the world that Jesus is not God, He was not born of a virgin, He died not on the cross, He did not resurrect from the dead, He did not ascend to heaven, men are no sinners. They denounce outright that the Bible is the Word of God. They tell you that “soon many will come to know that Bible is a fake book.” It is too obvious that they have completely lost their sanity on time dimension because the Bible is already more two thousand years ago and more people than ever before are putting their trust in this Greatest Book of the Universe! Furthermore, the Bible is very clear that life after death is an absolute reality, these false teachers nonetheless contradict themselves by preaching to the contrary and yet they tell you “to only pray to your dead ancestors and everything will be just fine for you”. What is the purpose of praying to the dead when there is no life after death. It is as good (or as bad) as praying to a blank wall! They are simply blinded by this dark age. They have already made up their mind and corruptly concluded that only a fool would accept the necessity of the blood for redemption and only a fool will accept Jesus is God.

As our faith is continuously under threat, we must always examine and test ourselves of our faith in Christ Jesus (2 Corinthians 13:5). Perhaps the best test of your faith now is to answer this question: Do you believe that Jesus did not die as it was said in the Bible, and instead He died at age 66 in London in front of St Peter Cathedral? This is exactly the message that is ‘evangelized’ by some people. Satan must be having a good laugh how could his workers of iniquities could come out with such message that he himself perhaps may not have even thought of it!

For us as born-again Christians, the crucifixion and the death of Christ at Calvary at age 33 (and not in London at age 66!) are absolutely essential because His blood had to be shed and applied to the mercy seat in Heaven. Everything concerning our Lord Jesus Christ was leading up to the blood atonement in Heaven (not in front of St. Peter Cathedral). Christ’s death was absolutely necessary to validate the blood atonement. Jesus’ Virgin Birth would have been in vain had He not applied the blood in Heaven. The same is true of Jesus’ sinless life, His death, His burial and His resurrection. These all would have meant nothing had Jesus not presented Himself before the Father in Heaven. False teachers will bring in damnable heresies, denying the redemptive work of our Lord Jesus, and they will bring upon themselves swift destruction. We are also warned that many will follow their destructive ways and to spread their blasphemous messages about the way of truth (2 Peter 2:2).

How then do we know who these false teachers are? There many ways for us to know. Among them is that false teachers will exploit people with stories they have made up (2 Peter 2:3); they fail to teach Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection, according to scriptures (Galatians 1:9); they will walk after the flesh in the lust of cleanliness (like the use of vulgarity and foul language without blinking their eyes) and they are not afraid to speak of dignitaries (2 Peter 2:10). So, are there examples of these false teachers? Definitely! And what can be more obvious than just go to the Sammyboy forum here and you will discover yourself these corrupted false teachings are aplenty. The foul use of language and their unedifying messages and statements are repugnant to even a child let alone believe in them. In Romans 16:17, we are warned to stay away from these false teachers and from people who speak of foul words because their message can spread like cancer (2 Timothy 2:17). Besides staying away from these false teachers, in 2 Timothy 2:15 we are instructed to study the Word of God, the Bible diligently and we must not be ashamed of His righteousness for which our heart believed and what our mouth confessed, we will receive salvation of eternal life (Romans 10:9-10). It is also important to note that the scripture encourages us to reprove and rebuke false teachers (2 Timothy 4:2-3), and they can be easily identified because in Matthew 6:17 we are told that we should know by their fruits and by their fruits you will know them (Matthew 6:20). By the grace of God, the Spirit of Christ that dwelt in us will give us the much needed wisdom to discern who these false teachers are (2 Corinthians 13:5). As we move forward boldly to defend the Gospel of Jesus Christ, we must be reminded that we are not alone as Psalmist has said: I have set the LORD always before me; because He is at my right hand I shall not be removed (Psalm 16:8), and in Romans 8:31, Apostle Paul has reinforced the mighty love of God and His continued presence in us by telling us “if God is with us, who can be against us.”

Nonetheless, the cancerous unspiritual message of denying Jesus is our Saviour is not new. Quite to the contrary, it is so widespread then ever before. Satan, the master of all lies and the greatest false teacher had tried on our Lord Jesus when Jesus faced the test . Satan took Jesus to a high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the earth, and their glory. Satan did not mind surrendering his authority to Jesus. He didn't mind a universe without pornography or religion or abortion or nuclear weaponry. But Satan’s only worry is about "revival" or "getting back to God." It is all too clear that what Satan opposes was (and still is) the gospel of Christ crucified and resurrected for the sins of the world. Had Jesus given in to the temptations, Jesus would not have to go to the Cavalry Cross. This is the main objective of Satan because without the blood of Jesus, the victory over death would never be won!

The discussions in the news media that we hear every day and the magazines that we read reflect exactly this state of affair – intense hatred of the gospel of Jesus Christ and His redeeming blood; people preferred to be left alone to do what they like with due regard to God’s law; don’t tell others that Jesus is God, or ‘better’ still, convince others that there is no God. There will always be people get astoundingly ‘geared up’ or ‘charged up’ to oppose the gospel of Christ crucified and resurrected. Just scroll through the threads here and all these will become alive.

As we can see, read and hear, when the true gospel is not accepted, it will be replaced with something else, something that will fill the void of our inner-self such as therapy, consumerism, entertainment, resentment, utopian politics, crazy conspiracy theories of the right; anything will do. The prophet Isaiah warned us of such conspiracies replacing the Word of God centuries ago and encourage us not to be afraid of threads nor be troubled (Isaiah 8:12). As long as the dangerous Serpent's voice: "You shall not surely die (Genesis 3:4)” is not removed from our ears and our minds, it is going to be a powerful force that will draw us away from God and instead pull us towards eternal destruction. Contrary to the Serpent’s voice, we are told in the Bible that “we will surely die (Genesis 2:17).” The real question is:” What’s next after we leave this world because we are surely to leave this world?” A decision only you can decide for yourself.

This reminds me of a particular stanza in an old gospel song the Old Rugged Cross: "I will cling to an old rugged cross, and exchange it some day for a crown." The true gospel of Jesus crucified and resurrected is a message of divine exchange: If you believe this gospel you will receive His crown of life, and if you reject this gospel, you will receive eternal punishment. Even while you are on earth, believing to the contrary that only the redeeming blood of Jesus can save will set you up for trouble, gloom of anguish and you will be driven into darkness (Isaiah 8:22).
 
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Dear Psalm23.
Thank you for your post.Im sure most Christians do appreciate your efforts here.
If the Bible makes sense to you then i wish you well.
Good luck in your journey.


I do believe in Jesus ..just not the way you do.
I do not believe that Jesus died for my sins. I shall bear them alone by my own sincere repentance and if i never repeat them i am confident GOD will forgive me.

On the other hand for me to believe that Jesus has already paid for my sins as you mentioned then what need is there for me to ask for forgiveness?If He had already forgiven us thru the blood of Jesus then God is reneging in his deal if he has to forgive us again.
And to demand a blood sacrifice just so He can forgive the world is not really forgiving is it? If God wants to forgive then just forgive la why sacrifice an innocent being because after all God is able to do all things.
The argument that God has to show his mercy to the world by sacrificing His Son therefore to me does not gel and there is just no logic to it.I have time and again posted that GOD is not the author of confusion. Keep it simple God forgives whomsoever He deems worthy so no need for blood sacrifice
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[COLOR="_______"]For you theres three and they are one thats what i can never accept.If that means i will be damned..then at the end of the day when faced with God Almighty i will say to Him i did not set up any partners with Him..Nay ,but God is One to me and there is none other than HIM.He can never have a son in the literal sense of the word >He sent Jesus as a prophet only to the lost sheep of Israel and not to all mankind.(in fact whoami posted some excellent quotes on this frm the Bible so you should really consider them wrt to God having sons like Adam David John Ephraim ISrael and Jesus)

Even his own disciples never believed in His divinity only Paul who never walked with Jesus started to proclaim this years after Jesus had departed.
You warned us about false prophets and to many , Paul fits the bill to a tee.Sorry to dispute you on this but refer to Cor 9:22
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"When I am with people whose faith is weak, I live as they do to win them. I do everything I can to win everyone I possibly can." (CEV[/COLOR][/COLOR])

In other words, Paul can even deceive lie and cheat to get as many ppl on his side as he can.

So i urge you to really study Jesus if you really love Him then listen attentively to what He said not what Paul said about him.Follow Jesus ..not worship Him.


Peace
 
Dear Psalm23.
Thank you for your post.Im sure most Christians do appreciate your efforts here.
If the Bible makes sense to you then i wish you well.
Good luck in your journey.



Dear guy-interrupted,

I like to reciprocate by saying that I too respect people of their belief. It is, however, a good observation that we can disagree on topics - for example: some say pornography is ok, others say not ok; some say there is nothing wrong to have a casino, other strongly objected it; and so on. But regardless of what the topic is, over time, it simply fizzled away. A good example is our Integrated Resort cum Casino. At the beginning, there were alot of discussions. From religious organizations to social and community institutions, people were terribly concerned with (and sadly they are all right looking at what's happening now in our two casinos). But you don't even hear a word. My point is: When it comes to religion, this is not so. This is something worth observing and for me as Christians, I will go to the word of God, the Bible and is very clear to point to us that we (i.e. believers) are fighting against principalities, against rulers of darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places (Ephesians 6:12) and not against the flesh and blood (like objecting and disagreeing to pornography or gambling). When it comes to religion or to God, the invisible forces of the good and evil are involved. For thousands of years, many controversial topics (like communism, democracy, etc) come and go, but the subject of "God or no God" will never go away! In fact, Bible warns that this battle of spiritual darkness is going to be more intense as the age of this world (i.e. the evil age) comes to an end. Mark my words - this simple message or comment of mine is going to attract some violent discussion - why? Because it's about God, about religion and the invisible of good and evil is involved!

Having said all these, let me come back to your point on the worship of Jesus. Apostle Paul was not the first to teaching about worshipping Jesus. In chapter 2 of Matthew, we are told that there were wise men from the East who saw the star of Bethlehem. This star directed them to the birth place of Jesus and they came to worship Jesus. There were theories whether these were Jews or non-Jewish and the general consensus among Bible scholars is that they were non-Jewish. This truly supported the prophecy that Jesus though was born of a Jew is going to be rejected by His own people (as foretold also in the OT). So, I would respectfully submit that worshipping of Jesus is in the Bible, in fact, even He was born people were inspired to come, hence has indicated to us of His deity that unless He is God, why should He be worshipped at.

One more comment on the death and resurrection of Jesus. The resurrection of Jesus is important because it is the resurrection of Jesus that defeated our greatest enemy: death. There are many stories both in the Bible and in other religious scriptures that dead were raised. But none have lived forever. They died and they were raised but they died eventually. Only Jesus was raised from the dead and He lives till today having ascended to heaven and He is now our Mediator and our Advocate.

God Bless
 
[Please use the message here as the Lord leads, but nothing on the message must be used for profit!]

Today’s Scripture Reading [September 5, 2010]
[Edited because of a minor spelling mistake]

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. [Romans 3:25-26. KJV]


Today’s message is taken from Romans 3:25-26 (KJV). These verses further reinforce God’s stern warning that our sins can only cleansed and washed away by the blood of His Son, Jesus. Sadly, many people have refused to accept this stern warning. They have even come boldly to ‘evangelize’ to the world to the very contrary of the redeeming blood of Jesus. We tend to get impatient when we read and hear of their blasphemous messages. Jesus knew too well of our impatience and our earnest desire to rebuke these blasphemous messages and to defend His gospel, and hence giving us these comforting words: Be patient until His coming and to establish our hearts for His coming is at hand (James 5:7-8).

So, where are we now in God’s calendar? Just look around us – the world events, the regional and local news and compared to what the Bible has prophesied. Satan knows that his time is running out and because he knows that the time is not on his side, he is taking every possible opportunity to raise up as many false teachers and using as many doers of iniquities to deceive people (Matthew 24:11) as he possibly could. The tricks of Satan are not new – he will just lie and lie and lie! There is nothing new in his tricks and his purpose is: “Go and tell God’s precious souls that the blood of Jesus has no power to save you from eternal destruction.” The end result of being deceived into believing this is anything but eternal destruction. Even in this life, we can see the lifestyle of those people who rejected the blood of Jesus; they are pervasive and perverse in their speech when it comes to rebuking God’s truth. They falsely declare to the world that there is no God, there is no heaven, there is no hell, there is no life after death, there is no eternal judgment. Besides misleading themselves, they also try to mislead others. These doers of iniquities pronounced angrily and foully to the world that Jesus is not God, He was not born of a virgin, He died not on the cross, He did not resurrect from the dead, He did not ascend to heaven, men are no sinners. They denounce outright that the Bible is the Word of God. They tell you that “soon many will come to know that Bible is a fake book.” It is too obvious that they have completely lost their sanity on time dimension because the Bible is already more two thousand years ago and more people than ever before are putting their trust in this Greatest Book of the Universe! Furthermore, the Bible is very clear that life after death is an absolute reality, these false teachers nonetheless contradict themselves by preaching to the contrary and yet they tell you “to only pray to your dead ancestors and everything will be just fine for you”. What is the purpose of praying to the dead when there is no life after death. It is as good (or as bad) as praying to a blank wall! They are simply blinded by this dark age. They have already made up their mind and corruptly concluded that only a fool would accept the necessity of the blood for redemption and only a fool will accept Jesus is God.

As our faith is continuously under threat, we must always examine and test ourselves of our faith in Christ Jesus (2 Corinthians 13:5). Perhaps the best test of your faith now is to answer this question: Do you believe that Jesus did not die as it was said in the Bible, and instead He died at age 66 in London in front of St Peter Cathedral? This is exactly the message that is ‘evangelized’ by some people. Satan must be having a good laugh how could his workers of iniquities could come out with such message that he himself perhaps may not have even thought of it!

For us as born-again Christians, the crucifixion and the death of Christ at Calvary at age 33 (and not in London at age 66!) are absolutely essential because His blood had to be shed and applied to the mercy seat in Heaven. Everything concerning our Lord Jesus Christ was leading up to the blood atonement in Heaven (not in front of St. Peter Cathedral). Christ’s death was absolutely necessary to validate the blood atonement. Jesus’ Virgin Birth would have been in vain had He not applied the blood in Heaven. The same is true of Jesus’ sinless life, His death, His burial and His resurrection. These all would have meant nothing had Jesus not presented Himself before the Father in Heaven. False teachers will bring in damnable heresies, denying the redemptive work of our Lord Jesus, and they will bring upon themselves swift destruction. We are also warned that many will follow their destructive ways and to spread their blasphemous messages about the way of truth (2 Peter 2:2).

How then do we know who these false teachers are? There many ways for us to know. Among them is that false teachers will exploit people with stories they have made up (2 Peter 2:3); they fail to teach Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection, according to scriptures (Galatians 1:9); they will walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanliness (like the use of vulgarity and foul language without blinking their eyes) and they are not afraid to speak of dignitaries (2 Peter 2:10). So, are there examples of these false teachers? Definitely! And what can be more obvious than just go to the Sammyboy forum here and you will discover yourself these corrupted false teachings are aplenty. The foul use of language and their unedifying messages and statements are repugnant to even a child let alone believe in them. In Romans 16:17, we are warned to stay away from these false teachers and from people who speak of foul words because their message can spread like cancer (2 Timothy 2:17). Besides staying away from these false teachers, in 2 Timothy 2:15 we are instructed to study the Word of God, the Bible diligently and we must not be ashamed of His righteousness for which our heart believed and what our mouth confessed, we will receive salvation of eternal life (Romans 10:9-10). It is also important to note that the scripture encourages us to reprove and rebuke false teachers (2 Timothy 4:2-3), and they can be easily identified because in Matthew 6:17 we are told that we should know by their fruits and by their fruits you will know them (Matthew 6:20). By the grace of God, the Spirit of Christ that dwelt in us will give us the much needed wisdom to discern who these false teachers are (2 Corinthians 13:5). As we move forward boldly to defend the Gospel of Jesus Christ, we must be reminded that we are not alone as Psalmist has said: I have set the LORD always before me; because He is at my right hand I shall not be removed (Psalm 16:8), and in Romans 8:31, Apostle Paul has reinforced the mighty love of God and His continued presence in us by telling us “if God is with us, who can be against us.”

Nonetheless, the cancerous unspiritual message of denying Jesus is our Saviour is not new. Quite to the contrary, it is so widespread then ever before. Satan, the master of all lies and the greatest false teacher had tried on our Lord Jesus when Jesus faced the test . Satan took Jesus to a high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the earth, and their glory. Satan did not mind surrendering his authority to Jesus. He didn't mind a universe without pornography or religion or abortion or nuclear weaponry. But Satan’s only worry is about "revival" or "getting back to God." It is all too clear that what Satan opposes was (and still is) the gospel of Christ crucified and resurrected for the sins of the world. Had Jesus given in to the temptations, Jesus would not have to go to the Cavalry Cross. This is the main objective of Satan because without the blood of Jesus, the victory over death would never be won!

The discussions in the news media that we hear every day and the magazines that we read reflect exactly this state of affair – intense hatred of the gospel of Jesus Christ and His redeeming blood; people preferred to be left alone to do what they like with due regard to God’s law; don’t tell others that Jesus is God, or ‘better’ still, convince others that there is no God. There will always be people get astoundingly ‘geared up’ or ‘charged up’ to oppose the gospel of Christ crucified and resurrected. Just scroll through the threads here and all these will become alive.

As we can see, read and hear, when the true gospel is not accepted, it will be replaced with something else, something that will fill the void of our inner-self such as therapy, consumerism, entertainment, resentment, utopian politics, crazy conspiracy theories of the right; anything will do. The prophet Isaiah warned us of such conspiracies replacing the Word of God centuries ago and encourage us not to be afraid of threads nor be troubled (Isaiah 8:12). As long as the dangerous Serpent's voice: "You shall not surely die (Genesis 3:4)” is not removed from our ears and our minds, it is going to be a powerful force that will draw us away from God and instead pull us towards eternal destruction. Contrary to the Serpent’s voice, we are told in the Bible that “we will surely die (Genesis 2:17).” The real question is:” What’s next after we leave this world because we are surely to leave this world?” A decision only you can decide for yourself.

This reminds me of a particular stanza in an old gospel song the Old Rugged Cross: "I will cling to an old rugged cross, and exchange it some day for a crown." The true gospel of Jesus crucified and resurrected is a message of divine exchange: If you believe this gospel you will receive His crown of life, and if you reject this gospel, you will receive eternal punishment. Even while you are on earth, believing to the contrary that only the redeeming blood of Jesus can save will set you up for trouble, gloom of anguish and you will be driven into darkness (Isaiah 8:22).
 
Chinese - The Language of God​
Click on the following URL link to judge for yourself; you don't even need to know Chinese to understand what they found:http://students.washington.edu/cbsf/cool/Chinese.swf

It appears that researchers and linquistics from the United States have found startling evidence to show that as far back as 4,500 years ago, the ancient Chinese have already started worshipping God. (i.e., a universal God as defined in ancient Hebrew.) They even knew about Genesis, the Garden of Eden, Tree of Knowledge and the ancient Ark then!

When I first read about it, I was not overly surprised because I have heard it before and I knew some Chinese words depicting the stories as told in the Bible. In ancient Hebrew, "El Shaddai" is translated as "God Almighty". In Cantonese, it is "Shiong Dai" while in Mandarin, it is "Shang Di". Till today, trditional Chinese families in Hongkong, Malaysia and Singapore place utmost importance to the worship of Shiong Dai as evidenced by the altar of Heaven (teen sen) in their homes. In China of course, Chairman Mao did away with all forms of worshipping - branding it is as supersition of the masses - but that's another story.

The Hebrews are not the only people who knew God. The Creator God is not only the God of the Jews but the Gentiles as well. When the Athenians tried to worship an unknown god, two thousand years before them, the Chinese were still worshipping the true and living God.

A visit to the temple of Heaven in the capital city of China will verify this fact to be true. This temple hosts no idols but an altar with an inscription iof “THE GLORIOUS HEAVENLY KING” or “THE GLORIOUS KING IN HEAVEN” who was worshipped by the ancient Chinese more than 4000 years ago.

In fact, the old name of China was called, "God's Country" (Shen Zhou in Chinese). The Chinese emperors were called the “Son of Heaven” who obtained a mandate to rule on God's behalf as a servant as well as an intermediary between this Creator God in heaven and the Chinese people.

The blood sacrifices of animals offered by the emperors at the border outside the city paralleled those sacrifices of the Old Testament pointing to the perfect sacrifice of the Lamb of God crucified outside the city of Jerusalem.

In fact, before God called Abraham to leave his home country, these emperors in China were already offering sacrifices to the Glorious King in Heaven. This shows that before Moses wrote the first five books of the Old Testament or the existence of the written words of God, the early Chinese knew the true and living God having been dispersed from the rebels at Babel.

So are the researchers correct when they claim to have found proof that Chinese is the Language of God?

Click on the following URL link to judge for yourself; you don't even need to know Chinese to understand what they found:​
 
Psalm23,

You think why I said just worship you ancestor will do and your fist ancestor is no other than God. Now you dickhead source your own history and end up God is your first ancestor!

And Jesus is not God or Sons of God. He is just a resistance freedom figthers for the Jews during the occupation of Roman.

 
Dickhead Psalm23,

Now you know about Chinese God and why were you mocking at Confucius and Buddha. Jesus in sermons on the mount (Mat)/plain (Luke) teaches Confucius philosphy and Buddha Dhamapada to you and you denied Jesus teaching to you. Now the Romans elevated Confucius and Buddha teaching to become Word of God. So I suggest you learn Chinese language well and start to know chinese history better.

Pray to your ancestor will do just fine.
 
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God has sent to every nation HIS message. So as psalm has posted even the chinese had worshipped the one true Creator long long before Christ. So worship the Creator... Not His creation!
 
God has sent to every nation HIS message. So as psalm has posted even the chinese had worshipped the one true Creator long long before Christ. So worship the Creator... Not His creation!

People started to worship creation because of their rebellious nature. In the OT, the Jews were so rebellious that even after they had seen God's miracles, they were delivered from Pharoah's tyranny, they went back to be idolaters. They crafted a golden calf and worship the golden calf. This was worst then worshipping the creation of God. They worship 'the creation of creation'. These crafted figurines have eyes but cannot see, have ears but cannot hear, have mouth but cannot speak, so how could they be their (and our) 'gods'? But we need to respect those who believe in worshipping idols because each of us have our rights to worship whoever or whatever they like. Before this turns into another 'fire work', let me apologize to those who are idol-worshippers. I am referring specifically to the earlier Jews who went to worship a golden calf as told in the Book of Exodus Chapter 32.

As you can see from Chinese ancient history, early emperors gave due respect to their predecessors and even though some emperors later changed some of the rules (or imperial laws) as laid down by their ancestors to ensure that the administration was relevant to his policies. They didn't worship their ancestors in the sense of asking them (i.e. their ancestors) nfor protectio nor blessing. This is because an emperor was supposed to be the Son of Heaven and have the authority to rule and hence they didn't need to ask for protection from their ancestors. The emperors worshipped the God of Heaven, the equivalent of the Jewish God, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. The altar in the Imperial Temple has no idols.

An interesting discovery was the tomb of the first emperor. Before he died, he ordered a tomb be built and brought with him thousands of clay soldiers. So, where were his ancestors? If he really believed that his ancestors could give him the protection, why he needed all these clay soldiers (and of course they couldn't protect him either. These clay soldiers are not fit for exhibitions as tourist attraction!) Thus to the first emperor of China, praying to ancestors was definitely not fine. He still needed several thousands of clay soldiers to bring him along.

The video is an outstanding message that tells us, especially the Chinese, that many of the stories (or rather history) are encoded in Chinese characters. If there is only one or two or three, we could say it's due to chance or pure coincidence. But if there are dozens, they cannot be due to chance. Ancient Chinese 4,000 - 5,000 years ago had witnessed the events and initially the stories were passed through verbally but later when the language was invented, they were encoded into some of the words.

You can see also from the Straits Times articles last week, there are many well educated people in China now turning to Christainty. Latest estimate is that there are 70 million and there are also many million Chinese outside China like those in the U.S., Taiwan, Britain. These are very educated people. Even you just take the top 1% who are the 'most educated', there are over 700,000 highly educated scholars. To tell the Chinese in China that they don't know about the teaching of Confucius or Buddhism, and for the Chinese worship Jesus, they are mocking Confucius and Buddha is an insult to them!

By the way, besides Chinese, there are two other languages of God and there are: the Hebrew and the Greek.

God Bless
 
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