The Truth Behind Dinesh Raman Death

[winnipegjets]

evidently everything wrong is pap fault ...yes that is wat some ppl here feel.

Who runs the country? It is the PAP. They are overall responsible. If something goes wrong in the administration, it is of course the government of the day that is accountable.

no doubt pap is far from perfect but anything negative is pap is abit extreme.

Come on, we don't need one more apologist of the PAP ...we are fed day and night in every media that the PAP is god's gift to sinkapore and that without them this island will collapse. If that propaganda from the PAP is not extreme, why is our criticism of PAP's failure considered extreme??????

there is no dispute that he attacked the warden n he was subdued. govt acknowledged action was overdone n punished the warden...wat else to appease the deceased side n the mob here ? home affairs minister to quit perhaps ?

Ever heard of ministerial accountability? In a true democracy, the minister would have had to resign. Here, the minister just made a sacrificial lamb. Even that sacrifice was an insult; that guy just received a $10k fine, probably an amount less than a month's pay!
Who says there is NO dispute that the victim attacked the warden? How do you know? You take everything from the government as the truth? I don't because the government has tried to shut down any further investigation. Why? The excuse that it is a waste of public resources is total bs. The cops concluded that Shane Todd's death was a suicide, yet there was a widely publicized coroner inquiry. Why shouldn't this death have the similar inquiry? In fact, I would argue that a judicial inquiry should be called to investigate abuse of inmates in prison.

dinesh was in the cooler bcos he committed a crime n he was subdued bcos he attacked a warden ...u dont do that in a prison. y he attacked the warden bcos he doolan he was deprived of yard time which was bcos he committed another offense. that sjows something isnt it ? that dinesh is not a goodie boy despite being in prison.

If that's the story, then let's have a public inquiry so that this line and other contentions can be investigated.

u guys noe well in army....maybe he thio marked liao bcos of his antics but ask y he thio marked...wat did he do ? if he has been behaving...there r so mny inmates in changi resort....child molestors rapist swindlers they dont get marked ? how cum we dun hear they get whacked ?

It is common knowledge how minions in powers are sadistic. And they are cowards too ...they abuse those inmates whom they know will not be able to retaliate in the future.
Let's have a public inquiry on abuse of inmates.

 

[winnipegjets]

Facts my ass you're just operating on your opinion that the wardens purposely set out to kill this asshole. That's it.

I didn't claim that the prison officers intended to kill this inmate. But they should that their abuse could get out of hand and lead to death. You want to play with fire, then prepare to face the consequence of starting a fire. Is that too difficult for you to comprehend?

Hey no shit not everything the press prints is the truth but they don't hide everything. Do you think they hide the facts on the CHC case? Do you think they hide the facts on reports of say weather, traffic jams, crime etc? If yes well then don't ever bother to read anything from the press or are you just being selective? So do you think the press reports factually on the chc case?

But in this case, there could be more skeletons in the closet. That's why the government wanted to close the chapter asap, doing away with the coroner inquiry and coming out hard on the family. In such situation, you can count on the PAP press to mislead us.

He kicked a warden. If you kick a warden you will suffer consequences. It happens in prisons all over the world. Would you like to kick the warden in say a US prison and see if they don't beat you up in retaliation?

Why did he kicked the warden? Was he provoked? Or was he defending himself? Who knows? Let's have a public inquiry. Are you telling me that all the prison officers are saints and they will not abuse the inmates?

It's odd you seem to think it's ok for him to kick a warden.

It is sad that you only entertain one story line ...that the victim was the instigator. Who knows for a fact?

 

[Scrooball (clone)]

It must be very difficult to understand why this secret society thug beat up a prison officer without provocation. But you must understand the mentality and processing abilities of these thugs. Anything and i mean absolutely every fucking thing can be seen as insulting them. But i am not surprised. This asshole asked for it. Who beats up a prison officer unless he's asking for it?

 

[winnipegjets]

It must be very difficult to understand why this secret society thug beat up a prison officer without provocation. But you must understand the mentality and processing abilities of these thugs. Anything and i mean absolutely every fucking thing can be seen as insulting them. But i am not surprised. This asshole asked for it. Who beats up a prison officer unless he's asking for it?

Why is it so difficult to contemplate that this guy could have been abused by the guards?

 

[Scrooball (clone)]

Why is it so difficult to contemplate that this guy could have been abused by the guards?

Ok let's see.....a chao prison inmate assault a prison officer without provocation. And pepper spray was used on him. Oh wow....sure sounds like 'abuse'. He deserves at least a few kicks to keep him in check.

Maybe it's difficult for you to understand this concept. In prison, those monkey convicts see and copy. So if he has gotten off lightly, there will be prison officers getting beaten up daily. There should be a law to cane those scumbags who misbehave in the prison.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

I didn't claim that the prison officers intended to kill this inmate. But they should that their abuse could get out of hand and lead to death. You want to play with fire, then prepare to face the consequence of starting a fire. Is that too difficult for you to comprehend?

WTF is this shit? They probably gave him a standard beat down any inmate would have gotten if he assaulted a warden.

But in this case, there could be more skeletons in the closet. That's why the government wanted to close the chapter asap, doing away with the coroner inquiry and coming out hard on the family. In such situation, you can count on the PAP press to mislead us.

That is only your conjecture you see you're only selective when it comes to claiming the country's news are not honest with their reporting.

Why did he kicked the warden? Was he provoked? Or was he defending himself? Who knows? Let's have a public inquiry. Are you telling me that all the prison officers are saints and they will not abuse the inmates?

I was actually told that the warden said something which isn't offensive or provocative at all. He didn't insult anyone's mum or said something vulgar to that effect. This asshole dinesh deserved everything he got.

It is sad that you only entertain one story line ...that the victim was the instigator. Who knows for a fact?

Ok mind telling me what other scenerios do you have in mind? I actually created one myself if you care to read back. Let's see what you have. Yet at the end of the day it's you just making up stuff. You don't have the evidence all you have is this BS made up stance that somehow the wardens have to be at fault and anyone that disagrees with you is pro pap and might i add that is actually a pap tactic.

 

[zeddy]

Why is it so difficult to contemplate that this guy could have been abused by the guards?

I'm not defending the system but I have intimate knowledge on how our Prison Service works and btw I'm not an ex convict.. The Prison service have changed drastically over the years.. Its not the same as 20, 30 years ago when lowly educated Prison warders with only Pr 6 education were whacking the shit out the prisoners.. There were mutual respect then between prisoners and the wardens.. You don't step over the line if you don't want your cheek to feel the hot burning feeling of ' Chapati' from the palms of these Prison wardens.. Ex convicts should know the term ' Chapati '..

Ex CID director Chua Chin Kiat changed it all when he was appointed Director of Prisons during the late 90s.. Prison officers had to follow tough strict guidelines set by the Chua and his team.. Corruption cases and whackings of prisoners were common then before Chua took over the reins.. Chua put a stop to all these and inmates were given many avenues for them to air their grievances should they be assaulted by Prison staff or by a fellow inmate.. After Chua step down, his successors then followed suit the soft but firm approach method towards the prisoners..

IMHO, this was an unfortunate case.. Maybe the Prison officers were too over zealous in restraining the dead thug.. But you can't blame the wardens.. FYI, there were also many cases of Prisoners assaulting Prison staff too..That's why you can't take any chances when dealing with a violent prisoner..

 

[zeddy]

Ok let's see.....a chao prison inmate assault a prison officer without provocation. And pepper spray was used on him. Oh wow....sure sounds like 'abuse'. He deserves at least a few kicks to keep him in check.

Maybe it's difficult for you to understand this concept. In prison, those monkey convicts see and copy. So if he has gotten off lightly, there will be prison officers getting beaten up daily. There should be a law to cane those scumbags who misbehave in the prison.

There are caning punishments for prisoners who fights with fellow prisoner, assault of Prison officers.. Caning done by SPEAR officers..

Their sentence will also be extended.. They will be put inside the crammed a hot stuffy solitary cell and deprived of their ' yard ' sessions..

 

[winnipegjets]

I'm not defending the system but I have intimate knowledge on how our Prison Service works and btw I'm not an ex convict.. The Prison service have changed drastically over the years.. Its not the same as 20, 30 years ago when lowly educated Prison warders with only Pr 6 education were whacking the shit out the prisoners.. There were mutual respect then between prisoners and the wardens.. You don't step over the line if you don't want your cheek to feel the hot burning feeling of ' Chapati' from the palms of these Prison wardens.. Ex convicts should know the term ' Chapati '..

Ex CID director Chua Chin Kiat changed it all when he was appointed Director of Prisons during the late 90s.. Prison officers had to follow tough strict guidelines set by the Chua and his team.. Corruption cases and whackings of prisoners were common then before Chua took over the reins.. Chua put a stop to all these and inmates were given many avenues for them to air their grievances should they be assaulted by Prison staff or by a fellow inmate.. After Chua step down, his successors then followed suit the soft but firm approach method towards the prisoners..

IMHO, this was an unfortunate case.. Maybe the Prison officers were too over zealous in restraining the dead thug.. But you can't blame the wardens.. FYI, there were also many cases of Prisoners assaulting Prison staff too..That's why you can't take any chances when dealing with a violent prisoner..

I don't deny that possibility nor do I concede that abuse could have happened. All we have is the government's story. That the ministry was quick to end the coroner inquiry, the slap on the wrist sentencing and the harsh public attack on the family suggest that there are skeletons in the closet which the government doesn't want sinkees to know about.

 

[scoobydoo]

Ex CID director Chua Chin Kiat changed it all when he was appointed Director of Prisons during the late 90s.. Prison officers had to follow tough strict guidelines set by the Chua and his team.. Corruption cases and whackings of prisoners were common then before Chua took over the reins.. Chua put a stop to all these and inmates were given many avenues for them to air their grievances should they be assaulted by Prison staff or by a fellow inmate.. After Chua step down, his successors then followed suit the soft but firm approach method towards the prisoners..

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hmm, now they got Yellow Ribbon project.
can get Jobs fasterer and betterer than WDA, e2i, etc.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

I'm not defending the system but I have intimate knowledge on how our Prison Service works and btw I'm not an ex convict.. The Prison service have changed drastically over the years.. Its not the same as 20, 30 years ago when lowly educated Prison warders with only Pr 6 education were whacking the shit out the prisoners.. There were mutual respect then between prisoners and the wardens.. You don't step over the line if you don't want your cheek to feel the hot burning feeling of ' Chapati' from the palms of these Prison wardens.. Ex convicts should know the term ' Chapati '..

Ex CID director Chua Chin Kiat changed it all when he was appointed Director of Prisons during the late 90s.. Prison officers had to follow tough strict guidelines set by the Chua and his team.. Corruption cases and whackings of prisoners were common then before Chua took over the reins.. Chua put a stop to all these and inmates were given many avenues for them to air their grievances should they be assaulted by Prison staff or by a fellow inmate.. After Chua step down, his successors then followed suit the soft but firm approach method towards the prisoners..

IMHO, this was an unfortunate case.. Maybe the Prison officers were too over zealous in restraining the dead thug.. But you can't blame the wardens.. FYI, there were also many cases of Prisoners assaulting Prison staff too..That's why you can't take any chances when dealing with a violent prisoner..

Thanks for informing us about this and giving more insight into how the present prison system works and now nobody can make up allegations that the wardens are thugs that just abuse the prisoners for fun and because they have the authority to do so. Shows that singapore does have some standards too.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

I don't deny that possibility nor do I concede that abuse could have happened. All we have is the government's story. That the ministry was quick to end the coroner inquiry, the slap on the wrist sentencing and the harsh public attack on the family suggest that there are skeletons in the closet which the government doesn't want sinkees to know about.

What slap on the wrist sentencing? The punishment meted out to the offenders was sufficient. They definitely needed to restrain a recalcitrant offender that openly abused a warden.

Seems that you have changed your stance somewhat. I suppose with zeddy's posting you cannot make up shit like oh the wardens were bullying the prisoner anymore and you have stopped calling ppl that support the wardens as pappy dogs.

 

[zeddy]

I have mentioned this before on another thread last week..

The Prison Service had their fair of shame in the past when it comes to assaults of prisoners..

During the mid 90s, a hardore Malay inmate was assaulted and beaten to death by a Senior Malay Prison Officer and his 2 fellow Malay officers who were Junior Officers.. Incident took place at the old Queenstown Prison.. There was no sweeping of the dirt under the carpet in this case..

Investigations were done by the Police, Prisons Service under directions from the MHA.. The 3 Prison officers were charged for manslaughter were found guilty by the Court and sentenced to imprisonment.. I'm not sure whether the deceased family demanded any monetary compensation from the Govt..

Then in early 2000s, an inmate who was warded at Changi General Hospital for treatment was assaulted viciously by a group of SPEAR officers while he was still in handcuffs.. He then lodged a report.. Immediate investigations were held.. The SPEAR officers involved in the attack were sentenced to imprisonment for assault..

These incidents that I have higlighted shows that there were no cover ups by the Prison Service in the past when their officers abused their powers.. And I don't see why they would do any cover up now for the case of this dead Mama..

 

[Scrooball (clone)]

winnipegjets must have been watching too many Chow Yun Fatt's prison shows where prisoners get abused.

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[Jah_rastafar_I]

I have mentioned this before on another thread last week..

The Prison Service had their fair of shame when it comes to assaults of prisoners.. During the mid 90s, a hardore Malay inmate was assaulted and beaten to death by a Senior Malay Prison Officer and his 2 fellow Malay assistants.. Incident took place at the old Queenstown Prison.. There was no sweeping of the dirt under the carpet.. Investigations were done by the Police, Prisons Service under directions from the MHA.. The 3 Prison officers were charged for manslaughter were found guilty by the Court and sentenced to imprisonment.. I'm not sure whether the deceased family demanded any monetary compensation from the Govt..

Then in early 2000s, an inmate who was warded at Changi General Hospital for treatment was assaulted viciously by a group of SPEAR officers while he was still in handcuffs.. He then lodged a report.. Immediate investigations were held.. The SPEAR officers involved in the attack were sentenced to imprisonment for assault..

These incidents that I have higlighted shows that there were no cover ups by the Prison Service in the past when their officers abused their powers.. And I don't see why they would do any cover up now for the case of this dead Mama..

Why did the spear officers assault this inmate? Seems like there must be some backstory to it.

 

[zeddy]

Why did the spear officers assault this inmate? Seems like there must be some backstory to it.

FYI, there is a ward at CGH specifically for Prisoners.. Restricted area, so many members of public are usually not aware of this particular ward for Prisoners.. There is a special lift entrance for these prisoners in the hospital.. The ward are guarded by Police officers and SPEAR personnel..

Back to your question.. The prisoner was sick and had to go to the loo.. He was also whinging continuously due to his ailment.. Disturbed those lazy SPEAR officers who were resting watching TV outside the prisoners's ward.. Irritated by his antics, they vent their anger at the prisoner by whacking him..

 

[zeddy]

Why did the spear officers assault this inmate? Seems like there must be some backstory to it.

If my memory serves me right, few weeks after the incident, a sister of the inmate visited him in Prisons..The sister who was a lawyer observed that there were bruises on the face of his brother.. The chap then told her what happened.. The lawyer then took up the matter with the Prisons Service..

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

FYI, there is a ward at CGH specifically for Prisoners.. Restricted area, so many members of public are usually not aware of this particular ward for Prisoners.. There is a special lift entrance for these prisoners in the hospital.. The ward are guarded by Police officers and SPEAR personnel..

Back to your question.. The prisoner was sick and had to go to the loo.. He was also whinging continuously due to his ailment.. Disturbed those lazy SPEAR officers who were resting watching TV outside the prisoners's ward.. Irritated by his antics, they vent their anger at the prisoner by whacking him..

If my memory serves me right, few weeks after the incident, a sister of the inmate visited him in Prisons..The sister who was a lawyer observed that there were bruises on the face of his brother.. The chap then told her what happened.. The lawyer then took up the matter with the Prisons Service..

Holy fucking shit that is truly fucked up. Thank god the spears guys got dealt with assaulting an ill person in cuffs.

 

[zeddy]

Inside our Prisons, an old bird prisoner who had ' seen it all done it all ' hardcore seasoned gangster would always keep a low profile during their imprisonment.. Even though they detest some of the Prison staff and the rigid environment, they tend to respect authority inside the Prison..

Its not because they are sissies, but they just can't be bothered to get into trouble because they know that any trouble committed by them will have serious repercussions as the Prisons Service has the right to extend their imprisonment duration should they misbehave inside the Prison..

These old time prisoners can't afford to misbehave as they too yearn to get out of prison ASAP so that they can be reunited with their loved ones soon and enjoy the freedom once more..

IMO, young punks like Dinesh who are the troublesome lot always eager to make a name for themselves inside the Prison so that they can brag to their Kaki Langs when released.. Assaulting a Prison staff will earn a prisoner respect and fame among fellow prisoners.. This is just a stupid mentality of a typical bird brain wet behind the ears young punks..

Words would soon get around fast among prisoners on the crime that you have committed when you are first admitted inside the prison..Prisoners have their sources..They know what's goin on outside..

Doing a bank robbery or a jewellery shop heist will earn the immediate respects of your fellow prisoners but not by doing petty crimes like rioting and robbing a 711 store..

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Zeddy you have shown that this dinesh fucker deserves what he is getting to him. Let's be fucking honest. Do you think an inmate that behaves himself and doesn't create trouble would have 10 wardens trying to restrain him or do anything to him?

What's even worse is that some assholes try and make it seem like this is a vs PAP thing when it's just some low life shit skin that deserved what he's getting out of his miserable life. At least his family and others wouldn't have to suffer his criminal acts again. Good riddance.