Tesla is the worst performing stock in the S&P 500. Analysts say it has further to fall

[winners]

NPNT


2 or 3 lifetimes is a better estimate. No guessing needed.

Their fully autonomous humanoid robot :





He who laughs last laughs best.

Yeah, Elon Musk is full of shit. What about his claim of his sex doll which can also conceive and make babies? We all know, and common sense will prevail, that such things will never happen and has a ZERO (0%) percentage chance of a possibility. How the fuck can the sex doll provide nutrients (on a 24/7 basis) to the fetus? Also, what follow ups to his fucking idea of implanting neural chips into the human brain? In true facts, he's not as smart as he pretends to be. I'd say he's more of a con man to the fullest.

Elon Musk is a cruel autistic devil. I've read that when the batteries in TESLA cars are depleted or exhausted, its drive wheels will be locked and cannot be moved or towed, except being dragged and forced onto a tow truck bed. Also, the emergency auxiliary battery, which allowed the use of hazard lights and door locks will usually lasts no more than 1 hour of operation. You can imagine if a TESLA car were to break down in the middle of an unlit road in the night, the fucking vehicle cannot even be "pushed" to the side of the road and more dangerously, there will be no visual indication of its presence after that 1 hour's operation of its auxiliary battery has expired. This is definitely a big hazard to other drivers, who will not be able to see the broken down TESLA car in the middle of the road until it is too late and thus causing a serious rear-end collision. Sometimes, I wonder how the US' National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) authority can even approve such vehicles on their roads?

Elon is also fighting for the legal rights for TESLA not to submit their in-car collision videos and data to the owners and car insurance companies for their subsequent investigations into the causes of the crashes involved with TESLA cars. This is clearly a fucking attempt to hide its flaws and only the fucking EVIL MUSK will advocate such a demeaning move in order to save his TESLA's reputation or disreputation, if I should say. This bastard ex-South African should have just remained and rot in South Africa instead.

 

[Leongsam]

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-stock-price-crash-byd-battery-tech-musk-rbc-downgrade-2025-3

4 reasons why Tesla's 53% stock crash is accelerating today​

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• Tesla stock is barreling toward a ninth-straight weekly drop, falling another 5% on Tuesday.
• Shares have now plummeted 53% from record highs reached in mid-December.
• There are two new factors behind the Tesla sell-off, and two evergreen issues weighing on shares.

Tesla investors had another rocky day on Tuesday, with shares down as much as 7% before closing 5% lower.

Is this accurate?

 

[Leongsam]

I think people are confused because they see charts like this one which includes low cost hybrids and phevs.

Comparisons need to be EV numbers only because Tesla has no hybrid or phev low cost models.

 

[k1976]

 

[glockman]

tesla stock seems to have stabilised the past few weeks after massive sell offs by Tesla board members, top executives, musk's brother, shareholders. It's been going sideways at ~$220-250. I am praying that egomaniac lunatic asshole musk doesn't do anything stupid to fuck things up further.

There are also calls for him to resign as tesla CEO.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...leadership-overload/articleshow/119219475.cms

 

[Leongsam]

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[Leongsam]

tesla stock seems to have stabilised the past few weeks after massive sell offs by Tesla board members, top executives, musk's brother, shareholders. It's been going sideways at ~$220-250. I am praying that egomaniac lunatic asshole musk doesn't do anything stupid to fuck things up further.

There are also calls for him to resign as tesla CEO.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...leadership-overload/articleshow/119219475.cms

I don't think he has done anything stupid in the first place.

Based on what I have seen he has :

1. Exposed massive fraud and waste within the bureaucracy and is on target to save a trillion dollars a year in taxpayer money.

2. Made Twitter (X) way better than what it was before and recent valuations place it at or above what it cost him.

3. Brought Tesla FSD to the cusp of approval in all major jurisdictions.

4. Caught stage 1 of starship rocket 3 times in a row flawlessly. Once they have ironed out the issues with the starship itself the world's largest ever rocket is ready for flight to the planets.

5. Cybertruck is the best selling EV truck of all time.

6. Run all his companies based purely on merit and without surrendering to the loony left DEI mob that has ruined many once great companies eg Boeing.

As for Space X there is simply no comparison. Elon saved the US space program. Without him the US would still have to depend on the Russians to get to and from the space station. Space X launched about 90% of all payload to space last year and the fact that it can reuse its rockets when no other rocket company can do the same puts it way ahead of the competition.

There is no way that mere mortals like you and me are in a position to criticise this amazing individual regardless of his political leanings nor should we let the dislike for his politics cloud our judgement. The man and his capacity for innovation is simply out of this world. I don't have 1/10000 of his drive and I'm probably 50 points or more lower than he is in IQ scores. He may not have my love but he has certainly earned my utmost respect based upon his achievements.

If you call this guy stupid what does that make the rest of us who have achieved nothing of significance? My crowning glory was starting a commercial sex site.My net worth is peanuts. Musk is the richest man on earth.

 

[Leongsam]

 

[Leongsam]

Oh I forgot... he owns Starlink which saved Ukraine when it was first invaded by the Russians.

All those who stand with Ukraine should be kissing his ass in gratitude.

 

[winners]

tesla stock seems to have stabilised the past few weeks after massive sell offs by Tesla board members, top executives, musk's brother, shareholders. It's been going sideways at ~$220-250. I am praying that egomaniac lunatic asshole musk doesn't do anything stupid to fuck things up further.

There are also calls for him to resign as tesla CEO.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...leadership-overload/articleshow/119219475.cms

I suppose you are holding on to TESLA shares as well, no?

 

[winners]

Oh I forgot... he owns Starlink which saved Ukraine when it was first invaded by the Russians.

All those who stand with Ukraine should be kissing his ass in gratitude.

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Starlink services are not being offered to Ukraine for free. Poland helps to pay for most of it.

Also, his cybertruck is the worst selling model in TESLA's history. It's the weirdest looking truck with sharp and dangerous pointed edges that nobody wants to buy. In fact, it's on fire sale now and they have even declared to entirely halt its production. Go read up.

 

[winners]

NPNT

Bro, give him the benefit of doubt lah. No doubt that he's not the richest man on earth, but probably the richest man in this forum.

 

[Leongsam]

Starlink services are not being offered to Ukraine for free. Poland helps to pay for most of it.

Also, his cybertruck is the worst selling model in TESLA's history. It's the weirdest looking truck with sharp and dangerous pointed edges that nobody wants to buy. In fact, it's on fire sale now and they have even declared to entirely halt its production. Go read up.

The initial Cybertruck production ramp started with the most expensive models of all ie the all wheel drive dual motor and the 3 motor monster so current figures are for a niche market of early adopters who can afford the astronomical USD80,000 to USD100,000 prices.

Nevertheless the Cybertruck was still the top selling EV truck in the USA for 2024 easily outselling the Ford F150 lightning and the Rivian.

I'm pretty sure sales will pick up when the mass production USD60,000 model starts production this year. Let's see how it goes.

Note also that the Cybertruck is only available in the USA at the moment but orders are being taken from around the world NZ included. At the moment it is too early to judge the success or failure of this product.

https://www.tesla.com/en_nz/cybertruck

 

[winners]

I'm pretty sure sales will pick up when the mass production USD60,000 model starts production this year. Let's see how it goes.

I'm still skeptical and not convinced.

TESLA's CYBERTRUCK NIGHTMARE: Buyers Backing Out In Droves!​

LOL, just look at how shitty about the quality of the cybertruck? Goodness gracious, they use glue to adhere their panels! What a disgrace? This is how that autistic devil undercuts you.

Cybertruck Stainless Panels are falling off in Freezing Temperatures- THIS needs to be fixed​

 

[Leongsam]

I'm still skeptical and not convinced.

TESLA's CYBERTRUCK NIGHTMARE: Buyers Backing Out In Droves!​

LOL, just look at how shitty about the quality of the cybertruck? Goodness gracious, they use glue to adhere their panels! What a disgrace? This is how that autistic devil undercuts you.

Cybertruck Stainless Panels are falling off in Freezing Temperatures- THIS needs to be fixed​

All cars use glue and all new designs have teething problems. I've never said Tesla has a perfect product. Have panels fallen off every single cybertruck? I don't think so.

However this does not alter the fact that Tesla is on the path of continuous and groundbreaking improvements and when you test the limits things can go wrong at the beginning. The concept of using stainless steel in a mass production vehicle has never been done successfully before. Someone has to take the first step.

Just look at the Space X Falcon program the concept of re-usability was conceived way back in 2002. It took more than a DECADE with a large number of failures along the way. It was not until 2015 that a successful ground landing was achieved and it took another year to successfully land at sea. Today landings are so routine everyone takes them for granted but it took someone like Musk to persevere while lesser mortals were laughing at these lame attempts to land a rocket. NASA never even tried and neither did any other rocket company.

Here's a compilation of his disasters from 8 years ago.



The tall poppy syndrome is alive around the world. For some reason it seems to be built into the human psyche to try to belittle the efforts of those who are way smarter and better than us.

Does it make you feel somehow superior when you pour scorn at the efforts of the world's foremost innovator from your keyboard because things have not gone his way all the time?

Remember when it comes to innovation there are going to be way more failures than successes along the way. Without failures nothing is learned. If his STARSHIP didn't keep blowing up there would be no improvements to the design. The engineers would assume that all was well with what they had put together. It takes many failures to discover where all the weak spots and design flaws are so that when it comes to taking man to the planets and beyond the chances of failure are a lot more remote.

There is so much to celebrate. Why the negativity? We live in such exciting times.

 

[Leongsam]

Boeing vs Space X a study of contrasts.

Boeing’s CST-100 Starliner and SpaceX’s Crew Dragon are both crewed spacecraft developed under NASA’s Commercial Crew Program to ferry astronauts to the International Space Station (ISS) and back. While they share the goal of providing reliable, reusable transport to low Earth orbit, their design, development, performance, and operational histories reveal stark differences. Here’s a detailed comparison based on their specs, track records, and key features as of March 20, 2025.
Design and Specifications

• Size and Capacity:
  • Starliner: Slightly wider but shorter, with a 15-foot diameter and 16.5-foot height (including service module). It’s designed to carry up to seven passengers, though NASA missions typically use four seats. Interior volume is about 390 cubic feet.
  • Crew Dragon: Slimmer and taller, at 13 feet in diameter and 26.5 feet high (including trunk). It also has a seven-person capacity, but NASA missions cap at four. Pressurized volume is 328 cubic feet, with an additional 1,300 cubic feet in the unpressurized trunk for cargo.
  • Difference: Starliner offers a bit more crew space, while Dragon’s trunk gives it superior cargo flexibility.
• Launch Vehicle:
  • Starliner: Rides atop the United Launch Alliance (ULA) Atlas V rocket, a proven but expendable launcher costing around $120 million per flight.
  • Crew Dragon: Launches on SpaceX’s Falcon 9 Block 5, a reusable rocket with a base cost of ~$67 million, dropping further with booster reuse.
  • Difference: Falcon 9’s reusability slashes launch costs, while Atlas V’s one-and-done design keeps expenses higher.
• Propulsion and Abort Systems:
  • Starliner: Features four launch abort engines in its service module, producing 40,000 pounds of thrust total, plus 20 orbital maneuvering thrusters (1,500 pounds each) and 28 reaction control thrusters (100 pounds each). It’s fully autonomous with manual override via physical switches and buttons.
  • Crew Dragon: Equipped with eight SuperDraco engines (16,000 pounds each, 128,000 pounds total thrust) for launch escape, and 16 Draco thrusters (90 pounds each) for maneuvering. It’s also autonomous but uses sleek touchscreens for manual control.
  • Difference: Dragon’s abort system has more raw power, while Starliner’s traditional cockpit contrasts with Dragon’s futuristic interface.
• Landing Method:
  • Starliner: Lands on solid ground in the southwestern U.S. (e.g., White Sands, New Mexico) using three parachutes and six airbags for a soft touchdown at ~4 mph.
  • Crew Dragon: Splashes down in the ocean (typically Gulf of Mexico or Atlantic) with four parachutes, requiring ship recovery.
  • Difference: Starliner’s land-based approach avoids saltwater corrosion and recovery ships, potentially simplifying refurbishment, while Dragon’s water landings leverage a proven, simpler descent profile.

Development and Cost

• Funding and Timeline:
  • Starliner: NASA awarded Boeing $4.2 billion in 2014, later bumped to $5.1 billion with additional funds. Development began from scratch, with the first uncrewed test flight in December 2019 (failed to reach ISS) and a successful redo in May 2022. First crewed flight: June 5, 2024, marred by issues.
  • Crew Dragon: SpaceX received $2.6 billion (later $3.1 billion total). Built on the cargo Dragon’s foundation, it flew its first uncrewed test in March 2019, crewed test in May 2020, and entered service in November 2020—four years ahead of Starliner.
  • Difference: SpaceX delivered faster and cheaper, leveraging prior tech, while Boeing’s higher budget and delays reflect a more conservative, ground-up approach.
• Cost per Seat:
  • Starliner: Estimated at $90 million per astronaut, per a 2019 NASA OIG report, driven by higher development and Atlas V costs.
  • Crew Dragon: Around $55 million per seat, thanks to Falcon 9 reuse and lower program costs.
  • Difference: Dragon is ~40% cheaper per seat, a major win for NASA’s budget.

Performance and Track Record

• Missions Flown:
  • Starliner: By March 2025, it’s completed two uncrewed flights (one partial failure in 2019, one success in 2022) and one crewed test flight in 2024, which docked to the ISS but returned uncrewed due to thruster and helium leak issues. No operational missions yet; certification is pending.
  • Crew Dragon: By March 2025, it’s flown 12 crewed missions to the ISS (plus one private Axiom flight), 9 uncrewed cargo runs, and multiple test flights since 2019. Total Falcon 9 launches in 2024 alone: 132, with 128 booster landings.
  • Difference: Dragon’s operational reliability dwarfs Starliner’s nascent, troubled record.
• Reliability Issues:
  • Starliner: Plagued by software glitches (2019), valve problems (2021), helium leaks, and thruster failures (2024), extending its crewed test mission from 10 days to 9 months. NASA opted for Dragon to return the stranded astronauts in February 2025.
  • Crew Dragon: Early hiccups (2015 parachute issues, 2019 explosion) were resolved by 2020. Since then, it’s had near-perfect success, with occasional minor parachute delays but no mission failures.
  • Difference: Dragon’s issues were ironed out years ago; Starliner’s persist, casting doubt on its readiness.

Operational Features

• Docking and Duration:
  • Starliner: Uses an International Docking System Standard (IDSS) port, capable of staying docked to the ISS for up to 210 days (7 months).
  • Crew Dragon: Also IDSS-compatible, designed for 180 days but certified for 210, matching Starliner and Soyuz.
  • Difference: Both are equal here, meeting NASA’s long-duration needs.
• Reusability:
  • Starliner: Rated for up to 10 flights with a six-month turnaround, though only two capsules are planned for regular use.
  • Crew Dragon: Four capsules built (production halted in 2022), each reused multiple times—e.g., Endeavour flew five missions by 2024. Refurbishment is costlier due to saltwater exposure.
  • Difference: Starliner’s land landings may ease reuse, but Dragon’s proven it in practice.

Broader Context

• Company Approach:
  • Boeing, a legacy aerospace giant, took a risk-averse, traditional path, reflected in Starliner’s design and higher costs. Delays and $1.5 billion in overruns have hurt its reputation.
  • SpaceX, a newer player, iterated rapidly, leveraging reuse and innovation to outpace Boeing, aligning with Elon Musk’s cost-cutting ethos.
• NASA’s Perspective:
  • NASA wants both for redundancy, but Dragon’s dominance since 2020 has made it the workhorse, while Starliner’s struggles leave its future uncertain. If certified, Starliner could join routine rotations; if not, Boeing faces a major setback.

Conclusion
Crew Dragon outperforms Starliner in cost, speed of development, reliability, and operational success. It’s cheaper ($55M vs. $90M per seat), more proven (12 crewed flights vs. 1 troubled test), and backed by a reusable rocket. Starliner offers a larger crew cabin and innovative land landing, but its delays, technical issues, and higher price tag make it the underdog. As of March 2025, Dragon dominates space travel, while Starliner’s fate hinges on NASA’s next call.

 

[glockman]

I don't think he has done anything stupid in the first place.

Based on what I have seen he has :

1. Exposed massive fraud and waste within the bureaucracy and is on target to save a trillion dollars a year in taxpayer money.

2. Made Twitter (X) way better than what it was before and recent valuations place it at or above what it cost him.

3. Brought Tesla FSD to the cusp of approval in all major jurisdictions.

4. Caught stage 1 of starship rocket 3 times in a row flawlessly. Once they have ironed out the issues with the starship itself the world's largest ever rocket is ready for flight to the planets.

5. Cybertruck is the best selling EV truck of all time.

6. Run all his companies based purely on merit and without surrendering to the loony left DEI mob that has ruined many once great companies eg Boeing.

As for Space X there is simply no comparison. Elon saved the US space program. Without him the US would still have to depend on the Russians to get to and from the space station. Space X launched about 90% of all payload to space last year and the fact that it can reuse its rockets when no other rocket company can do the same puts it way ahead of the competition.

There is no way that mere mortals like you and me are in a position to criticise this amazing individual regardless of his political leanings nor should we let the dislike for his politics cloud our judgement. The man and his capacity for innovation is simply out of this world. I don't have 1/10000 of his drive and I'm probably 50 points or more lower than he is in IQ scores. He may not have my love but he has certainly earned my utmost respect based upon his achievements.

If you call this guy stupid what does that make the rest of us who have achieved nothing of significance? My crowning glory was starting a commercial sex site.My net worth is peanuts. Musk is the richest man on earth.

I agree with the points you stated. There is no doubt that he's brilliant and extremely driven. I'll probably never be able to match that in a hundred lifetimes. Most folks were supportive of him and appreciate what he has done, and respected him. And I believe his autism, great wealth, and alliance with the US President made him say stupid things to offend, which is unfortunate. He's become toxic (I used this term on him in a post last week and it's coincidentally being used in the article below), to the brands he is associated with. Pls read the article, it spells out what's really happening with him and tesla. Pls don't say this is a hit piece by a biased anti-musk anti-trump media outlet.

He underestimated how nationalistic people are, and people do not appreciate when an influential foreigner bashes their country and government. E.g., France, UK, Canada, Germany etc. People get emotional and protective.

At least you have a successful commercial sex site, I have no such achievement. Some quarters say the richest man on earth is Putin.

Tesla's challenges run deeper than 'toxic' controversy around Elon Musk​

9 hours ago

Theo Leggett
International Business Correspondent

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz61vwjel2zo

 

[winners]

All cars use glue and all new designs have teething problems. I've never said Tesla has a perfect product. Have panels fallen off every single cybertruck? I don't think so.

Yes, but only on internal parts and accessories, not externally and especially on body panels. Probably the Chinese would also do the same, but how can you compare TESLA to the Chinese auto makers? Since you have so much praise for TESLA and Elon, are you owning a TESLA now? If not, you should very well be, to prove your patriotism to him.

To use glue for adhering external panels and especially stainless steel (not plastics) panels in this case, do you know how dangerous it can be should it be dislodged as a result of strong frontal air-flow during high speed? It'll become like a flying spear. Most of your arguments are flawed just because you are totally mesmerized by Elon. Just like your frequent reference of drivers as cyclists, intentionally or otherwise. You are crazy.

 

[Leongsam]

I agree with the points you stated. There is no doubt that he's brilliant and extremely driven. I'll probably never be able to match that in a hundred lifetimes. Most folks were supportive of him and appreciate what he has done, and respected him. And I believe his autism, great wealth, and alliance with the US President made him say stupid things to offend, which is unfortunate. He's become toxic (I used this term on him in a post last week and it's coincidentally being used in the article below), to the brands he is associated with. Pls read the article, it spells out what's really happening with him and tesla. Pls don't say this is a hit piece by a biased anti-musk anti-trump media outlet.

He underestimated how nationalistic people are, and people do not appreciate when an influential foreigner bashes their country and government. E.g., France, UK, Canada, Germany etc. People get emotional and protective.

At least you have a successful commercial sex site, I have no such achievement. Some quarters say the richest man on earth is Putin.

Tesla's challenges run deeper than 'toxic' controversy around Elon Musk​

9 hours ago

Theo Leggett
International Business Correspondent

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz61vwjel2zo

When I saw "BBC" in the link I knew what was coming.

The article follows the standard playbook of labeling any party that promotes national pride as "far right".

Using this definition everyone who criticises the flood of CECAs and Tiongs into Singapore and tries to defend the Singapore way of life would fall under the same category.

And Musk is also dead right about Starmer. The guy is a disgusting lowlife. I leave it to you to do the research but he has literally sold his country to devil. I have first hand knowledge when it comes to the UK. Whole towns have been taken over and you'd think you're in Pakistan. They then take over the council, the schools and try to impose their laws and customs. How would you like that happening where you live? In certain way it has already crept into Singapore's way of life which is why you can't get bacon at Macdonald's anymore

There is nothing wrong with wanting to retain your language, your culture and your way of life. World wars were fought for this very reason.

 

[glockman]

Oh I forgot... he owns Starlink which saved Ukraine when it was first invaded by the Russians.

All those who stand with Ukraine should be kissing his ass in gratitude.

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Starlink services are not being offered to Ukraine for free. Poland helps to pay for most of it.

Also, his cybertruck is the worst selling model in TESLA's history. It's the weirdest looking truck with sharp and dangerous pointed edges that nobody wants to buy. In fact, it's on fire sale now and they have even declared to entirely halt its production. Go read up.

That fucker Musk needlessly created huge concerns when he wrote this on x.com

my Starlink system is the backbone of the Ukrainian army. Their entire front line would collapse if I turned it off.


And when a Polish minister wrote that they are paying $50m a year, Musk wrote back, Be quiet little man. Very rude and arrogant. Cannot tahan this fucker.