Tesla is the worst performing stock in the S&P 500. Analysts say it has further to fall

[winners]

All cars use glue and all new designs have teething problems. I've never said Tesla has a perfect product. Have panels fallen off every single cybertruck? I don't think so.

You've said too soon. If it's nothing serious nor related to safety, why bother to institute a recall? First and foremost, using glue to affix on external parts of a vehicle is the most retard engineering "ingenuity". The harsh weather conditions will cause it to deteriorate and even disintegrate in a matter of time. They are best to be welded, bolted or screwed where applicable. This is pure common sense. Yet only a moron can still praise such an initiative, derived to enable cost-cutting measures, deception and dishonesty.

I anticipate your counter argument will be to say: But.... but, Elon is not involved in the design nor engineering of the Cybertruck. It's alright, please go ahead to say and do anything that you deem fit. You are like an insurance agent, where black can be termed as white and vice versa.

Tesla recalls most Cybertrucks due to trim detaching from vehicle

(Reuters) -Tesla (TSLA) is recalling 46,096 Cybertruck vehicles in the U.S.- nearly all Cybertrucks made up to February - to fix an exterior panel that could detach while driving, adding to a series of call-backs for the pickup truck since last year.

While Tesla does not break out deliveries of its Cybertrucks, the recalled vehicles would represent a vast majority of the pickups on the road, based on analyst estimates.

The recall could prove to be a setback for Tesla, whose stock has lost about half its value this year as the company grapples with rising competition, an aging lineup, and backlash against CEO Elon Musk's controversial role overseeing cuts to federal spending in the Trump White House.

The recall is meant to address a stainless-steel exterior trim panel that can detach from the vehicle, making it a road hazard that boosts the risk of a crash, according to the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's (NHTSA) notice. Tesla's service will replace the assembly for free.

Demand for the unconventional EV pickup has already shown signs of weakness toward the end of last year, following several delays.

Shares of the EV maker fell 1.4% in premarket trading.

Tesla shares, initially boosted post-election due to Musk's relationship with U.S. President Donald Trump, have fallen nearly 42% this year.
Analysts have pointed to a change in sentiment toward the EV maker from existing customers and potential new buyers, as reactions toward the brand such as protests at Tesla stores across the U.S. and sales boycotts emerge.

Tesla accounts for a large portion of recalled vehicles in the U.S. In 2024, Tesla topped the list for U.S. recalls with its vehicles accounting for 5.1 million call-backs, according to recall management firm BizzyCar. However, most issues for the brand's cars were usually resolved with over-the-air software updates.

Source: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trum...owering-rates-as-tariffs-start-113545135.html

 

[Leongsam]

You've said too soon. If it's nothing serious nor related to safety, why bother to institute a recall? First and foremost, using glue to affix on external parts of a vehicle is the most retard engineering "ingenuity". The harsh weather conditions will cause it to deteriorate and even disintegrate in a matter of time. They are best to be welded, bolted or screwed where applicable. This is pure common sense. Yet only a moron can still praise such an initiative, derived to enable cost-cutting measures, deception and dishonesty.

I anticipate your counter argument will be to say: But.... but, Elon is not involved in the design nor engineering of the Cybertruck. It's alright, please go ahead to say and do anything that you deem fit. You are like an insurance agent, where black can be termed as white and vice versa.

Tesla recalls most Cybertrucks due to trim detaching from vehicle

(Reuters) -Tesla (TSLA) is recalling 46,096 Cybertruck vehicles in the U.S.- nearly all Cybertrucks made up to February - to fix an exterior panel that could detach while driving, adding to a series of call-backs for the pickup truck since last year.

While Tesla does not break out deliveries of its Cybertrucks, the recalled vehicles would represent a vast majority of the pickups on the road, based on analyst estimates.

The recall could prove to be a setback for Tesla, whose stock has lost about half its value this year as the company grapples with rising competition, an aging lineup, and backlash against CEO Elon Musk's controversial role overseeing cuts to federal spending in the Trump White House.

The recall is meant to address a stainless-steel exterior trim panel that can detach from the vehicle, making it a road hazard that boosts the risk of a crash, according to the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's (NHTSA) notice. Tesla's service will replace the assembly for free.

Demand for the unconventional EV pickup has already shown signs of weakness toward the end of last year, following several delays.

Shares of the EV maker fell 1.4% in premarket trading.

Tesla shares, initially boosted post-election due to Musk's relationship with U.S. President Donald Trump, have fallen nearly 42% this year.
Analysts have pointed to a change in sentiment toward the EV maker from existing customers and potential new buyers, as reactions toward the brand such as protests at Tesla stores across the U.S. and sales boycotts emerge.

Tesla accounts for a large portion of recalled vehicles in the U.S. In 2024, Tesla topped the list for U.S. recalls with its vehicles accounting for 5.1 million call-backs, according to recall management firm BizzyCar. However, most issues for the brand's cars were usually resolved with over-the-air software updates.

Source: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trum...owering-rates-as-tariffs-start-113545135.html

If the analysts were so smart they wouldn't be working as anal ysts. The death of Tesla has been predicted multiple times over by "experts" in the industry. When he bought Twitter everyone said "Twitter is dead... destroyed by Musk" and it's now better than ever

Everything will be fine. All companies have their ups and downs. Elon is a very smart guy he understands things far better than you do.

Adhesives are used extensively in modern auto assembly by all manufacturers. The problem is not the design I believe it has to be a bad batch of glue.

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Adhesives are used in numerous locations throughout the automobile assembly process to bond components, enhance structural integrity, and streamline production. Here’s a detailed look at where they’re applied:

1. Body Structure (Body-in-White):
   • Adhesives are used between metal panels like the roof, side panels, floor pans, and door frames. They’re often applied in hem flanges (edges where panels fold over) to bond and seal joints, boosting strength and corrosion resistance alongside welds or rivets.
2. Exterior Components:
   • Windshields and Windows: High-strength polyurethane adhesives secure the windshield, rear glass, and side windows to the vehicle frame, also adding to crash safety by reinforcing the structure.
   • Hoods and Trunk Lids: Adhesives bond outer panels to inner reinforcements, reducing weight and improving rigidity.
   • Trim and Badges: Exterior trim pieces, emblems, and moldings are often attached with double-sided adhesive tapes or specialty glues.
3. Interior Components:
   • Dashboards and Consoles: Adhesives attach plastic or composite panels, foam padding, and decorative coverings.
   • Carpets and Headliners: Spray or hot-melt adhesives fix carpets to the floor and headliners to the roof structure.
   • Seats: Glue bonds foam to frames and upholstery materials like leather or fabric to the foam.
4. Engine and Powertrain Areas:
   • Seals and Gaskets: Adhesive sealants are used around engine compartments or transmission housings to prevent leaks and reduce noise.
   • Heat Shields: Adhesives secure lightweight heat-resistant materials near exhaust systems or engines.
5. Battery Packs (Electric Vehicles):
   • In EVs, adhesives bond battery modules to trays or the chassis. Thermally conductive adhesives manage heat dissipation, while structural adhesives ensure the pack stays fixed under stress.
6. Chassis and Underbody:
   • Adhesives reinforce joints in the frame, like between crossmembers or suspension mounting points, often paired with mechanical fasteners.
   • Seam sealants (a type of adhesive) are applied along welds or overlaps to waterproof and protect against rust.
7. Noise and Vibration Control:
   • Liquid-applied sound deadeners or adhesive-backed damping pads are placed on firewall panels, doors, and the floor to reduce noise, vibration, and harshness (NVH).
8. Miscellaneous:
   • Weatherstripping: Adhesives attach rubber seals around doors and windows to keep out water and air.
   • Wiring Harnesses: Adhesive clips or tapes secure electrical wiring to the body.

Adhesives are strategically placed where strength, weight savings, or sealing is needed, often replacing or supplementing traditional fasteners. Their exact locations depend on the vehicle design—luxury cars or EVs might use more adhesives for performance or efficiency, while simpler models might lean on welds. Materials like steel, aluminum, composites, or plastics also dictate the type and placement of adhesives used.

 

[winners]

If the analysts were so smart they wouldn't be working as anal ysts. The death of Tesla has been predicted multiple times over by "experts" in the industry. When he bought Twitter everyone said "Twitter is dead... destroyed by Musk" and it's now better than ever

Everything will be fine. All companies have their ups and downs. Elon is a very smart guy he understands things far better than you do.

Adhesives are used extensively in modern auto assembly by all manufacturers. The problem is not the design I believe it has to be a bad batch of glue.

____________________________________

Adhesives are used in numerous locations throughout the automobile assembly process to bond components, enhance structural integrity, and streamline production. Here’s a detailed look at where they’re applied:

1. Body Structure (Body-in-White):
   • Adhesives are used between metal panels like the roof, side panels, floor pans, and door frames. They’re often applied in hem flanges (edges where panels fold over) to bond and seal joints, boosting strength and corrosion resistance alongside welds or rivets.
2. Exterior Components:
   • Windshields and Windows: High-strength polyurethane adhesives secure the windshield, rear glass, and side windows to the vehicle frame, also adding to crash safety by reinforcing the structure.
   • Hoods and Trunk Lids: Adhesives bond outer panels to inner reinforcements, reducing weight and improving rigidity.
   • Trim and Badges: Exterior trim pieces, emblems, and moldings are often attached with double-sided adhesive tapes or specialty glues.
3. Interior Components:
   • Dashboards and Consoles: Adhesives attach plastic or composite panels, foam padding, and decorative coverings.
   • Carpets and Headliners: Spray or hot-melt adhesives fix carpets to the floor and headliners to the roof structure.
   • Seats: Glue bonds foam to frames and upholstery materials like leather or fabric to the foam.
4. Engine and Powertrain Areas:
   • Seals and Gaskets: Adhesive sealants are used around engine compartments or transmission housings to prevent leaks and reduce noise.
   • Heat Shields: Adhesives secure lightweight heat-resistant materials near exhaust systems or engines.
5. Battery Packs (Electric Vehicles):
   • In EVs, adhesives bond battery modules to trays or the chassis. Thermally conductive adhesives manage heat dissipation, while structural adhesives ensure the pack stays fixed under stress.
6. Chassis and Underbody:
   • Adhesives reinforce joints in the frame, like between crossmembers or suspension mounting points, often paired with mechanical fasteners.
   • Seam sealants (a type of adhesive) are applied along welds or overlaps to waterproof and protect against rust.
7. Noise and Vibration Control:
   • Liquid-applied sound deadeners or adhesive-backed damping pads are placed on firewall panels, doors, and the floor to reduce noise, vibration, and harshness (NVH).
8. Miscellaneous:
   • Weatherstripping: Adhesives attach rubber seals around doors and windows to keep out water and air.
   • Wiring Harnesses: Adhesive clips or tapes secure electrical wiring to the body.

Adhesives are strategically placed where strength, weight savings, or sealing is needed, often replacing or supplementing traditional fasteners. Their exact locations depend on the vehicle design—luxury cars or EVs might use more adhesives for performance or efficiency, while simpler models might lean on welds. Materials like steel, aluminum, composites, or plastics also dictate the type and placement of adhesives used.

You are such a loser. No matter how wrong it can be, you'll still not admit to defeat. Tell me which car manufacturer uses adhesive on external panels to cover their A Pillars? If you have the time, just search and list to me just one and I'll concede defeat. If you tell me tomorrow the sun will rise from the West, do you think I will believe you?

The only part I know which is using adhesive is the windscreen. However, it is further reinforced with a cowling at the base of the windscreeen, which is then screwed onto the firewall of the vehicle's chassis. I know this because my own vehicle's windscreen was hit by a stone once and cracked. I had it replaced and saw the whole process of the replacement.

Elon is pretending to be smart, but he's not that smart actually. On the other hand, he's indeed very smart in trying to cut costs in order to make more bucks for himself at the expense of sacrificing the safety of his products. You'll be doing Elon a very big disservice if you are still not owning a TESLA. Come on, you surely can afford to show your patriotism to him. What are you waiting for?

 

[Leongsam]

You are such a loser. No matter how wrong it can be, you'll still not admit to defeat. Tell me which car manufacturer uses adhesive on external panels to cover their A Pillars? If you have the time, just search and list to me just one and I'll concede defeat. If you tell me tomorrow the sun will rise from the West, do you think I will believe you?

Elon is pretending to be smart, but he's not that smart actually. On the other hand, he's indeed very smart in trying to cut costs in order to make more bucks for himself at the expense of sacrificing the safety of his products. You'll be doing Elon a very big disservice if you are still not owning a TESLA. Come on, you surely can afford to show your patriotism to him. What are you waiting for?

I guess Elon and I are losers then. At least I have him for company in this category.

 

[True Believer]

Elon Musk must be regretting is decision to team up with Donald Trump.
Roman Abramovich, the Russian oligarch, also lost a fortune owing to his association with Vladimir Putin.

 

[Leongsam]

Elon Musk must be regretting is decision to team up with Donald Trump.
Roman Abramovich, the Russian oligarch, also lost a fortune owing to his association with Vladimir Putin.

I think otherwise. He sounds very optimistic. I'm sure he's faced tougher hurdles in his life.

 

[True Believer]

I think otherwise. He sounds very optimistic. I'm sure he's faced tougher hurdles in his life.

Like what? Having a doppelganger (right) from China???

 

[glockman]

Can trust musk or not? Even his top executives, board members and his own brother have sold off their shares.

Elon Musk urges Tesla employees to ‘hang on’ to their shares​

Billionaire rails against vandalism of cars and protests at dealerships in the US and Europe

Kana Inagaki in London
Published16 hours ago

Elon Musk has told Tesla’s employees that the future is “incredibly bright” and urged them to “hang on” to their shares in the carmaker despite plummeting sales, a series of safety recalls and vandalism spurred by his political activism.

The unusual communication to staff came after Donald Trump’s commerce secretary Howard Lutnick also urged Fox News viewers to “buy Tesla” in a sign of growing alarm as Tesla’s shares have plunged 51 per cent since mid-December.

“If you read the news, it feels like . . . Armageddon,” Musk, the carmaker’s chief executive, said during a meeting with employees broadcast on X late on Thursday.“

I understand if you don’t want to buy our product, but you don’t have to burn it down. Stop being psycho!” he said referring to the rise in vandalism cases against Tesla cars.

Tesla and its dealerships have become a target for protests in the US and Europe in response to the billionaire’s outsized influence in the White House, his attack on the US federal government as the de facto head of the so-called Department of Government Efficiency (Doge) and his support for the far-right AfD party in Germany.

Sales have also plunged in leading European markets in recent months while demand has soared for “I bought this before Elon went Crazy” car stickers on Amazon.

Danish pension fund AkademikerPension last week said it was considering placing Tesla on its exclusion list, blaming Musk’s involvement in US and European politics, alongside Tesla’s stance on labour rights and concerns over the board’s independence. “He has publicly supported controversial political figures, spread misinformation and criticised governments,” said chief executive Jens Munch Holst in a statement.

The company is also facing multiple regulatory probes into Musk’s claims about the capabilities of its driver-assistance systems. On Thursday, Tesla recalled more than 46,000 Cybertrucks in the US to replace an exterior panel that could fall off while driving.

Line chart of Share price, $ showing Tesla shares have plunged since mid-December“

There are times when there are rocky moments,” Musk said. “But what I’m here to tell you is that the future is incredibly bright and exciting,” he added, citing the company’s efforts in autonomous driving and robotics.

Musk has previously said Tesla’s pivot to autonomous driving and artificial intelligence could take its valuation as high as $5tn. The shares rose more than 2 per cent on Friday, taking the company’s market capitalisation to $760bn.“I think in five years, we’ll probably have regulatory approval I think globally, so you’ll have autonomous Teslas on every continent,” he said. “So what I’m saying is, hang on to your stock.”

But the Tesla chief has repeatedly missed targets to roll out self-driving taxis. He first promised fully autonomous rides from Los Angeles to New York by the end of 2017. In 2019, he predicted that 1mn robotaxis would be on the road by the following year.

JPMorgan last week lowered its end-of-year Tesla target price to $120 a share from $135 a share on concerns of rising negative perception towards the brand affecting sales. “The heightened change in sentiment towards the Tesla brand coincides with high profile CEO Elon Musk’s role as a senior adviser to the President,” JPM analysts said in a note.

https://www.ft.com/content/12da5460-3837-4f09-9cf3-b6656afa7b0e

 

[nightsafari]

Yeah, Elon Musk is full of shit. What about his claim of his sex doll which can also conceive and make babies? We all know, and common sense will prevail, that such things will never happen and has a ZERO (0%) percentage chance of a possibility. How the fuck can the sex doll provide nutrients (on a 24/7 basis) to the fetus? Also, what follow ups to his fucking idea of implanting neural chips into the human brain? In true facts, he's not as smart as he pretends to be. I'd say he's more of a con man to the fullest.

yup.

Elon Musk is a cruel autistic devil.

just a request. I'm also supposed to be autistic. This shit has nothing to do with autism. Everything to do with his shitty character.

I've read that when the batteries in TESLA cars are depleted or exhausted, its drive wheels will be locked and cannot be moved or towed, except being dragged and forced onto a tow truck bed. Also, the emergency auxiliary battery, which allowed the use of hazard lights and door locks will usually lasts no more than 1 hour of operation. You can imagine if a TESLA car were to break down in the middle of an unlit road in the night, the fucking vehicle cannot even be "pushed" to the side of the road and more dangerously, there will be no visual indication of its presence after that 1 hour's operation of its auxiliary battery has expired. This is definitely a big hazard to other drivers, who will not be able to see the broken down TESLA car in the middle of the road until it is too late and thus causing a serious rear-end collision. Sometimes, I wonder how the US' National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) authority can even approve such vehicles on their roads?

https://electrek.co/2025/03/16/tesla-autopilot-drives-into-wall-camera-vs-lidar-test/

that is the greatest mystery. How he gets all of the US government to hand over cash and approve his death machines.

Elon is also fighting for the legal rights for TESLA not to submit their in-car collision videos and data to the owners and car insurance companies for their subsequent investigations into the causes of the crashes involved with TESLA cars. This is clearly a fucking attempt to hide its flaws and only the fucking EVIL MUSK will advocate such a demeaning move in order to save his TESLA's reputation or disreputation, if I should say. This bastard ex-South African should have just remained and rot in South Africa instead.

'nuff said.

 

[nightsafari]

No point arguing about the future. Only the future will reveal what the future holds. Let's revisit this thread in a few months time.

 

[nightsafari]

I think people are confused because they see charts like this one which includes low cost hybrids and phevs.

Comparisons need to be EV numbers only because Tesla has no hybrid or phev low cost models.


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regarding this. just go and check out a BYD. Stupid name and all.

 

[nightsafari]

I don't feel superior, but I despise such people who takes your money and gives you shitty and dangerous products. And presently, more and more Starlink satellites are beginning to fall off the sky. It'll create more debris in outer space and make it more dangerous. Is Elon concern about this? NO.... All he wants is just to make fast bucks.

My main issue. Take money and give shit. Then blame customers who point out that it is shit. Dishonest.

 

[nightsafari]

Starmer was the chief prosecutor from 2008 to 2013. I leave it to you to draw your own conclusions all the info is publicly available.

Starmer is shit. Doesn't make the goons in the US any better. It is possible and even likely for both the left and the right to be shit.

 

[nightsafari]

I agree that the US has been taken advantage of by the world. I was watching this interview, and this guy said something to the effect of : after ww2, the US felt it had the responsibility to help nurture the world back to peace and democracy. To help shape the world into a peaceful one, and to avoid authoritarianism. Hence, it's foreign policy was geared to support this. Support with money, tech transfer, human capital/knowledge.

Not so glockie.

As it happens one of my prior areas of specialization is American industrialization. It's been quite a few years since I've touched the stuff so my numbers are a bit fuzzy, but I still remember the main points.

Prior to WW2, the US was a technological and cultural backwater. Something like 20-something in the worlds top powers. Maybe higher but definitely out of the top 10. To cut a long story short. Two major things happened before they entered ww2. One was Britain had to hand over every single technological and intellectual advance they had over the rest of the world. I forgot the name of the operation, but some guy had to fly over with all that info to hand to the Americans. Tech leap #2. The second was lend-lease.

Tech leap #1 was taking all those fleeing Jewish and non-Jewish scientists from Europe.

Sometime in the 00s, I remember reading that Britain finally made the last payment on the lend-lease act. That's right. The UK was paying the US for all the war materiel and whatnot supplied for ww2. Every single bullet that Britain fired was cash going from the British empire to the US. For half a century. Without signing this act, the US refused to enter ww2.

Tech leaps #3 and #4 came after the end of ww2. All the German scientists that escaped penalties were subsequently hired by the US. Even more egregious NONE of the Nip scientists who were responsible for warcrimes were ever sentenced. They all went to work for US concerns. For exmaple, Unit 713's scientists were all directly or indirectly under the protection and employ of US corps. If you've never heard of unit 713, be disgusted first for why they buried that info then be disgusted by what they did.

This is what led to the incredible wealth and upsurge of US influence post ww2. Prior to that, all international navigation had to speak French. Hence Mayday. They're still sore at it today...

Trump is right to want to rein this in, it has cost the US too much. But he could've chosen more diplomatic ways to do this. I am sure foreign leaders would be more receptive to such an approach.

That's also incorrect. Having dealt with the US government on more than one occasion, I can tell you that it is inefficient. i.e. they need a kick up the pants. Because everything takes too long.

But what Trump is doing is not giving a kick up the pants. He's lobotomizing them so he can run rampant and unchecked. Even more, all the things he's doing to the US government is literally handing the world to China and Russia on a silver platter. Those foreign aid agencies? That's how China doesn't even own more of the world than it does now. All the services and spending he's cutting? He's positioning the US and it's ex-Allies to not be able to withstand a Russian onslaught whether it's military or technological (cyberwarfare).

On a less onerous note, have you ever wondered why your computers run microsoft, apple and google? Yup, you guessed right. Those foreign "aid" payments. It's a very cheap cost for guaranteeing a world market for their movies, TV shows and software. All this additional money allows them to have additional US bases and diplomatic missions (soft power) overseas. Incredibly cheap for the return.

Tariffs alone are a disaster. Say what you want for the rest of the world. It may suffer, but it will move on. The US will forever be hobbled in isolation. The only reason they've flown so high and continue to fly high is that the rest of the world pays into them. Now with tariffs that will stop. With foreign "aid" cut, no one will be forced to enforce US laws overseas. Remember when we used to able to get software anywhere? Guess how it got killed off.

He's not right. He's an imbecile of incredible proportions and his policies appear to have been suggested to him. He's nothing but a TV host reciting the script fed to him. I doubt he even understands a fraction of what he's saying. While I'm not surprised dumb Americans swallow his shtick, I'm perplexed at how many outside the country can't even gather a moment's critical thinking to dispel this utter horseshit.

 

[nightsafari]

Elon Musk must be regretting is decision to team up with Donald Trump.

Musk is doing it for his own survival. He already foresees his business going into the dumps.

Roman Abramovich, the Russian oligarch, also lost a fortune owing to his association with Vladimir Putin.

Abramovich only got the fortune in the 1st place because of his association with Putin.

You don't have to feel sorry for either. They chose to deal with the devil for their own benefit.

 

[winners]

https://electrek.co/2025/03/16/tesla-autopilot-drives-into-wall-camera-vs-lidar-test/

I'm technically trained. To be qualified for Level 5 FSD, Lidar and Radar sensors are definitely a must. Only that moron @Leongsam and that evil bastard Elon, will still insist that this is possible just with Imaging Technology. There is no way that Imaging Technology alone can fulfill the safety requirement and protocols

In one instance in China, there was one (I think it's a Xiaomi) EV which "saw" a large billboard vehicle advertisement upon approaching an overhead bridge. Its system then mistook it for an actual stationary vehicle and automatically applied emergency braking. It was of course rear ended and also caused a chain collision to those vehicles on its rear. WTF?

 

[glockman]

Not so glockie.

As it happens one of my prior areas of specialization is American industrialization. It's been quite a few years since I've touched the stuff so my numbers are a bit fuzzy, but I still remember the main points.

Prior to WW2, the US was a technological and cultural backwater. Something like 20-something in the worlds top powers. Maybe higher but definitely out of the top 10. To cut a long story short. Two major things happened before they entered ww2. One was Britain had to hand over every single technological and intellectual advance they had over the rest of the world. I forgot the name of the operation, but some guy had to fly over with all that info to hand to the Americans. Tech leap #2. The second was lend-lease.

Tech leap #1 was taking all those fleeing Jewish and non-Jewish scientists from Europe.

Sometime in the 00s, I remember reading that Britain finally made the last payment on the lend-lease act. That's right. The UK was paying the US for all the war materiel and whatnot supplied for ww2. Every single bullet that Britain fired was cash going from the British empire to the US. For half a century. Without signing this act, the US refused to enter ww2.

Tech leaps #3 and #4 came after the end of ww2. All the German scientists that escaped penalties were subsequently hired by the US. Even more egregious NONE of the Nip scientists who were responsible for warcrimes were ever sentenced. They all went to work for US concerns. For exmaple, Unit 713's scientists were all directly or indirectly under the protection and employ of US corps. If you've never heard of unit 713, be disgusted first for why they buried that info then be disgusted by what they did.

This is what led to the incredible wealth and upsurge of US influence post ww2. Prior to that, all international navigation had to speak French. Hence Mayday. They're still sore at it today...

That's also incorrect. Having dealt with the US government on more than one occasion, I can tell you that it is inefficient. i.e. they need a kick up the pants. Because everything takes too long.

But what Trump is doing is not giving a kick up the pants. He's lobotomizing them so he can run rampant and unchecked. Even more, all the things he's doing to the US government is literally handing the world to China and Russia on a silver platter. Those foreign aid agencies? That's how China doesn't even own more of the world than it does now. All the services and spending he's cutting? He's positioning the US and it's ex-Allies to not be able to withstand a Russian onslaught whether it's military or technological (cyberwarfare).

On a less onerous note, have you ever wondered why your computers run microsoft, apple and google? Yup, you guessed right. Those foreign "aid" payments. It's a very cheap cost for guaranteeing a world market for their movies, TV shows and software. All this additional money allows them to have additional US bases and diplomatic missions (soft power) overseas. Incredibly cheap for the return.

Tariffs alone are a disaster. Say what you want for the rest of the world. It may suffer, but it will move on. The US will forever be hobbled in isolation. The only reason they've flown so high and continue to fly high is that the rest of the world pays into them. Now with tariffs that will stop. With foreign "aid" cut, no one will be forced to enforce US laws overseas. Remember when we used to able to get software anywhere? Guess how it got killed off.

He's not right. He's an imbecile of incredible proportions and his policies appear to have been suggested to him. He's nothing but a TV host reciting the script fed to him. I doubt he even understands a fraction of what he's saying. While I'm not surprised dumb Americans swallow his shtick, I'm perplexed at how many outside the country can't even gather a moment's critical thinking to dispel this utter horseshit.


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Yep, I read somewhere that after WW1, the US focused more on domestic matters seeing how much the war had cost them. It became isolationist, and did not want to interfere in foreign matters. Seems Trump is reverting to this.

You brought up the Land-Lease Act of 1941, so I looked it up. Text in italics are quoted.

Materiel delivered under the act was supplied at no cost, to be used until returned or destroyed. In practice, most equipment was destroyed, although some hardware (such as ships) was returned after the war. Supplies that arrived after the termination date were sold to the United Kingdom at a large discount for £1.075 billion, using long-term loans from the United States, which were finally repaid in 2006. Similarly, the Soviet Union repaid $722 million in 1971, with the remainder of the debt written off.

Lend-Lease weakened the United States' neutrality which had been enshrined in the Neutrality Acts of the 1930s. It was a decisive step away from non-interventionist policy and toward open support for the Allies. Lend-Lease's precise significance to Allied victory in World War II is debated. Khrushchev claimed that Stalin told him that Lend-Lease enabled the Soviet Union to defeat Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

Before this Act, the US could not supply arms due to the Neutrality Acts of 1935, 1936, and 1937. Intended to keep the United States out of war by making it illegal for Americans to sell or transport arms or other war materials to warring nations, be they aggressors or defenders.

Then the Neutrality Act of 1939 was passed to allow the sale and supply of arms, when they saw what the Germans, Japs and Italians were doing. And then the day of infamy happened, and the US was all in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

Yes unit 713, the horrid Jap bio-chem lab, doing what mengele was doing at auschwitz. I watched a documentary on it a while back.

Trump's tariff is an ill conceived strategy. It's going to hurt the US badly, lots of export jobs will be lost and many will or are already pissed with him. He scolded Zelensky that he wanted to start WW3. Trump is the one who wants to start WW3. He knows well that putin and xi only understand and respect strength. Yet he has weakened the US and its alliance with canada and europe. Thereby weakening everyone. What a dumb fuck.

Back to my point of the US after WW2 assuming the role of helping the world (from an interview I watched), they were able to do that because of their incredible wealth and upsurge of US influence (I am quoting you). The way they did it may not be textbook ethical, but countries reaped the benefits. The world regained hope, and gained peace. And the US was able to shape the world the way it wanted.

 

[nightsafari]

I'm technically trained. To be qualified for Level 5 FSD, Lidar and Radar sensors are definitely a must. Only that moron @Leongsam and that evil bastard Elon, will still insist that this is possible just with Imaging Technology. There is no way that Imaging Technology alone can fulfill the safety requirement and protocols

In one instance in China, there was one (I think it's a Xiaomi) EV which "saw" a large billboard vehicle advertisement upon approaching an overhead bridge. Its system then mistook it for an actual stationary vehicle and automatically applied emergency braking. It was of course rear ended and also caused a chain collision to those vehicles on its rear. WTF?

Yes. Lidar is a must. I'd also bet on radar in addition. The Muskrat is definitely playing fast and loose with people's lives.

 

[nightsafari]

Yep, I read somewhere that after WW1, the US focused more on domestic matters seeing how much the war had cost them. It became isolationist, and did not want to interfere in foreign matters. Seems Trump is reverting to this.

You brought up the Land-Lease Act of 1941, so I looked it up. Text in italics are quoted.

Materiel delivered under the act was supplied at no cost, to be used until returned or destroyed. In practice, most equipment was destroyed, although some hardware (such as ships) was returned after the war. Supplies that arrived after the termination date were sold to the United Kingdom at a large discount for £1.075 billion, using long-term loans from the United States, which were finally repaid in 2006. Similarly, the Soviet Union repaid $722 million in 1971, with the remainder of the debt written off.

Lend-Lease weakened the United States' neutrality which had been enshrined in the Neutrality Acts of the 1930s. It was a decisive step away from non-interventionist policy and toward open support for the Allies. Lend-Lease's precise significance to Allied victory in World War II is debated. Khrushchev claimed that Stalin told him that Lend-Lease enabled the Soviet Union to defeat Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

Before this Act, the US could not supply arms due to the Neutrality Acts of 1935, 1936, and 1937. Intended to keep the United States out of war by making it illegal for Americans to sell or transport arms or other war materials to warring nations, be they aggressors or defenders.

Then the Neutrality Act of 1939 was passed to allow the sale and supply of arms, when they saw what the Germans, Japs and Italians were doing. And then the day of infamy happened, and the US was all in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

Yes unit 713, the horrid Jap bio-chem lab, doing what mengele was doing at auschwitz. I watched a documentary on it a while back.

This doesn't accurately reflect how much money was made by the US. All that stuff resulted in full employment during the war and round the clock factories. All that is GDP. Discounted or "no cost" is a red-herring. The result was they had a strong economy while Europe was in shambles and had a leg up post war AND a cash stream to count on. It worked so well for them that they decided to engage in multiple wars after that. A far cry from the pre-war policy. Korea, Vietnam and the ME. With each one succeedingly being less profitable and more costly.

Bottom line no matter the minor details is that the US benefited from overseas involvement by numbers far exceeding their inputs with a few serious miscalculations. They didn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts no matter how they sell it.

Trump's tariff is an ill conceived strategy. It's going to hurt the US badly, lots of export jobs will be lost and many will or are already pissed with him. He scolded Zelensky that he wanted to start WW3. Trump is the one who wants to start WW3. He knows well that putin and xi only understand and respect strength. Yet he has weakened the US and its alliance with canada and europe. Thereby weakening everyone. What a dumb fuck.

yes. dumbest act I've seen in my life from a "leader".

Back to my point of the US after WW2 assuming the role of helping the world (from an interview I watched), they were able to do that because of their incredible wealth and upsurge of US influence (I am quoting you). The way they did it may not be textbook ethical, but countries reaped the benefits. The world regained hope, and gained peace. And the US was able to shape the world the way it wanted.

The result was they did improve the world, but make no mistake, what actually got them up in the morning was self-benefit. I don't mind. It was still a better place. Until an orange baboon and his legion of losers came along.

 

[laksaboy]

Can't wait for these liberal lunatics to get Tiananmen'ed.