Simple Question on Big Bang

[vamjok]

hmm... is this relativity or quantum mechanics at play?
in the scenario me had posted, A wouldn't know if he got rr, rg, or gg until either he checks them or he is told of B's selection. much as the wave function had collapsed for B since he had opened the proverbial box, A would still be clueless about his selection, i.e. the wave function still exist only for A, but not for B or the other independent observers like us since B knows his selection. correct?

arrr A and B result u have to view as 1 (this is their linked, not 2 separate one), as long as someone observed the result (it does not matter A knows B observed a not, or B knows A did it.) the result becomes automatically fix the other end.

 

[zhihau]

the result becomes automatically fix the other end.

heheh...
didn't see your edition to the post some 3 minutes before my reply
need to chew over it to enjoy the essence of Schrodinger :p:p:p

 

[vamjok]

heheh...
didn't see your edition to the post some 3 minutes before my reply
need to chew over it to enjoy the essence of Schrodinger :p:p:p

quite fun to talk cock sing songs on such topic...
lol

 

[Fook Seng]

heheh... then me have to watch the video again
question thou', if the brain signals the observers see are indicative of the test subject's decision, are those signals triggered from the command to depress the button the test subject is holding? if so, then it is only the lag in muscular response time that gives an impression that the observers knew of the test subject's decision, no?
me love neuro-biology quite a fair bit myself, so good learning opportunity here

I believe it is a real delay. You tell the subject what his decision will be and he is shocked because he has not come to a decision as yet. That was my impression.

 

[vamjok]

Tomolo when i am free i go dig my things see can find that physics paper on socks LOL

 

[zhihau]

That was my impression.

heheh... then time to collect more data

 

[Fook Seng]

heheh... then time to collect more data

The video is somewhere in this forum. Has to find it.

 

[zhihau]

Tomolo when i am free i go dig my things see can find that physics paper

was recently digging thru' my own posts in Delphi and here; really like to find out what me had been smoking, quite frightened by my own thought processes

 

[Kinana]

This is already page 8, and yet none of you atheist can explain what exploded and where did the energy came from.

You gotta relook your philosophy fellas!

 

[vamjok]

This is already page 8, and yet none of you atheist can explain what exploded and where did the energy came from.

You gotta relook your philosophy fellas!

we already did, just that you are too stupid to get it

 

[vamjok]

was recently digging thru' my own posts in Delphi and here; really like to find out what me had been smoking, quite frightened by my own thought processes

dun need to take it too seriously la online. out to talk cock sing song one hahaha

 

[Kinana]

Nope you didn't, not one bit. Whenever I asked for clarifications to your claims, you ran away and started using profanity remember? If you coudl do it, you wouldn't have to resort to such behaviors would you?

Come on, lets have a reasinable and honest debate shall we?

 

[vamjok]

Nope you didn't, not one bit. Whenever I asked for clarifications to your claims, you ran away and started using profanity remember? If you coudl do it, you wouldn't have to resort to such behaviors would you?

Come on, lets have a reasinable and honest debate shall we?

run away? i throw the fucking answer at your face, even spoonfeed you. yet you are too stupid to understand it. talk to stupid people can really make your blood pressure goes up.

i have no idea i lost count how many times i put this down,

vacuum = energy. u are too stupid to get it that is your own fucking problem. go back to your stupid bible if this is too tough for your head, for stupid people it is indeed easier taking fairy tales for the truth.

 

[Kinana]

You threw claims bro, not logic nor evidence.

You tried to answer but created even more problem and ended up contradicting yourself.
If there is energy in vacuum, then where did that energy came from? You never answered.
And indeed if you want to talk about vaccum or zero point energy, then there would be an explosion since it is the lowest level of energy possible.

Get back and defend your claims now bro. I won't ;et you run away.

 

[vamjok]

You threw claims bro, not logic nor evidence.

You tried to answer but created even more problem and ended up contradicting yourself.
If there is energy in vacuum, then where did that energy came from? You never answered.
And indeed if you want to talk about vaccum or zero point energy, then there would be an explosion since it is the lowest level of energy possible.

Get back and defend your claims now bro. I won't ;et you run away.

these are not claims this is the truth, vacuum is indeed = energy. this has being proven in lab and the most direct evidence of it is Casimir effect. u refuse to accept it is your fucking problem, and with a basic degree will be able to get it. this very much shows how uneducated you are.

vacuum = energy, u are too stupid to view one as an object and the other as its property, this is classic physics level at lower level learning yes both are 2 view as one as "object" the other one as "property" the object has. ALL THE WHILE I HAVE BEING SAYING THEY ARE THE SAME THING AND THIS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT QUANTUM MECHANIC LEVEL FOR CLASSICAL LAWS NO LONGER WORKS STUPID FUCK. you cannot appreciate the beauty of quantum field that not my problem, i do not appreciate stupid people to do so.

asking where does energy comes from is as good as asking where does vacuum come from. YOU DO NOT NEED TO CREATE ANYTHING TO CREATE A VOID. are you really so stupid not to get this? this is in total agreement with the energy conversation principle that energy CANNOT BE CREATED NOR DESTROYED.

u have empty space, NOTHING IN THERE, BUT SPACE = ENERGY. so ENERGY IS ALWAYS THERE as space is energy. DO YOU NEED ANY FUCKER TO CREATE A SPACE? NO U DO NOT NEED. SO REPHRASE THE QUESTION TO WHERE DOES EMPTY SPACE COMES FROM? YOU WILL REALISED HOW STUPID YOUR QUESTION IS, COS THE ANSWER IS IT COMES FROM NOWHERE, IT IS ALREADY THERE

 

[zhihau]

You gotta relook your philosophy fellas!

or readers can marvel once again at your level of comprehension :p:p:p

 

[zhihau]

YOU WILL REALISED HOW STUPID YOUR QUESTION IS, COS THE ANSWER IS IT COMES FROM NOWHERE, IT IS ALREADY THERE

bro,

me wouldn't fault kinana that much, even my good self had been trapped in the past, viewing stuffs strictly in a 3 dimensional view point. we're all brought up that way, fearful of the unknown, attributing unexplained phenomenon to another unknown. don't we as mathematicians do that too? "let X be the number of apples bought." the concept simply eludes kinana, or as simple as his/her refusal to accept the explanation

the beauty of science is perhaps being able to explain the most complex phenomenon using the simplest methods so that even a young child can understand. therefore, if kinana couldn't understand the complexity of the big bang theory, it means that it hasn't been simplified enough. that's all. do you recall Einstein's paper in 1905? the first paper on E=mc2 was a mere 3 paged article with calculations all inclusive.

 

[vamjok]

bro,

me wouldn't fault kinana that much, even my good self had been trapped in the past, viewing stuffs strictly in a 3 dimensional view point. we're all brought up that way, fearful of the unknown, attributing unexplained phenomenon to another unknown. don't we as mathematicians do that too? "let X be the number of apples bought." the concept simply eludes kinana, or as simple as his/her refusal to accept the explanation

the beauty of science is perhaps being able to explain the most complex phenomenon using the simplest methods so that even a young child can understand. therefore, if kinana couldn't understand the complexity of the big bang theory, it means that it hasn't been simplified enough. that's all. do you recall Einstein's paper in 1905? the first paper on E=mc2 was a mere 3 paged article with calculations all inclusive.

bro, we all were trapped till our prof forced us to be enlightened in the finals LOL

 

[zhihau]

bro, we all were trapped till our prof forced us to be enlightened in the finals LOL

not really, bro, not all will be able to accept that there are things we wouldn't know now due to the limitation of our technology as well as the limitation in our sensory perception and/or limitation in our understanding capabilities. truth to be told, the same red coloration may appear different to two individuals because of the difference in the arrangement and/or distribution of rods and cones at the back of the retina.

if me had to take it one step further, it simply means folks have different levels of understand of how stuffs work, or perhaps even the definition of a subject, for example: big bang in this instance. kinana's inability to accept that the word bang doesn't have the notion of anything exploding haven't sink into him/her. would you fault him/her for that? me will give it a pass now and let the readers enjoy a moment of amusement.

moving on to the notion of where energy is derived to fuel that massive expansion, not many people are willing to accept the fact that space=energy, not all can accept that an atom is essentially empty space, save for the few particles zipping around and having their energy fields interacting with one another, as well as interacting with other atoms. then again, it boils down to our understanding of what energy really is. maybe we should check if we had the same understanding of what energy is, did we check with kinana?

 

[zhihau]

DO YOU NEED ANY F***** TO CREATE A SPACE? NO U DO NOT NEED.

bro,
if we give our mental capacity a little stretch, how big is that space? are we able to comprehend what can be found beyond the edges of the observable universe?