Simple Question on Big Bang

[zhihau]

Didn't know you are so well versed in movies. Thought you had taken Clairvoyance as a subject.

erm... bro, film modules are easier for me because me is a movie buff :p:p:p
haven't ventured into the realms of metaphysics yet :o:o:o

 

[zhihau]

u see the kind of ang mo i write LOL.

me ang moh C6 one ok?

 

[Fook Seng]

erm... bro, film modules are easier for me because me is a movie buff :p:p:p
haven't ventured into the realms of metaphysics yet :o:o:o

If not clairvoyance, time-travel then. Achieves the same end. Incidentally I agree with your comments on the conduct of scientific discourse. A properly proposed theory has to be open for other scientists to check for flaws in its mathematical analyses and logical deductions, including the duplication of any experiment which derives the indicated results. And if flaws are found, like in the original climate change studies, the conclusions are re-looked at and revised. Because of the rigour in such an approach even if it is only a hypothesis, not a theory, it can still gain a lot of support and recognition from the scientific community.

 

[vamjok]

true! we are always open to new theories which makes more sense and support experimental observation.

 

[vamjok]

me ang moh C6 one ok?

me GP D7 LOL go in have to take extra english mod LOL

 

[zhihau]

it can still gain a lot of support and recognition from the scientific community

time travel... do thoughts travel faster than the speed of light?

 

[Kinana]

time travel... do thoughts travel faster than the speed of light?

Why not? You can think of a planet far away faster than light travelling from you to the planet.

 

[zhihau]

Why not? You can think of a planet far away faster than light travelling from you to the planet.

now that's a thought... you could be right! light takes 8 minutes to travel from the surface of the sun to earth; the moment we think about the sun, our thoughts can conjure the image of the sun in less than a fraction of a second.

 

[zhihau]

If not clairvoyance, time-travel then. Achieves the same end.

bro,
kinana and myself had just proven that it is possible for time-travel, perhaps only in our mind. for the physical body to move freely in the time-space continuum, the speed barrier still must spend some effort to overcome.

 

[vamjok]

now that's a thought... you could be right! light takes 8 minutes to travel from the surface of the sun to earth; the moment we think about the sun, our thoughts can conjure the image of the sun in less than a fraction of a second.

actually this is similar to the schrodinger's cat issue.

a drawer has 4 socks 2 green 2 red. Person A blindfold himself and draw 2 socks randomly, person B perform the same act as well. person B travel to another universe far away.

Question: what is the colour of the sock on person A
Answer: rr, rg and gg (similar to wave function)

Question: what is the colour of the sock on person B
Answer: rr, rg and gg (similar to wave function)

now situation change person B check that his socks is gg, so what is the colour of the sock of person A
Ans: rr (collapsed of wave function)

so the colour of the socks on A depends on B which is at another universe does he check the colour of the socks a not. if he never look at it, the colour of the socks are rr, rg and gg just like the cat situation, both dead and alive LOL

the moment someone check the colour of the socks, the colour of the socks become fix. information is indeed travelling faster than time.

 

[vamjok]

http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080813/full/news.2008.1038.html

see this, spooky!

 

[vamjok]

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[fishbuff]

If not clairvoyance, time-travel then. Achieves the same end. Incidentally I agree with your comments on the conduct of scientific discourse. A properly proposed theory has to be open for other scientists to check for flaws in its mathematical analyses and logical deductions, including the duplication of any experiment which derives the indicated results. And if flaws are found, like in the original climate change studies, the conclusions are re-looked at and revised. Because of the rigour in such an approach even if it is only a hypothesis, not a theory, it can still gain a lot of support and recognition from the scientific community.

here's my fav late scientist presenter, carl sagan, explaining the scientific method.
[video=youtube;Sj5TkVbGQLY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj5TkVbGQLY[/video]

 

[Fook Seng]

time travel... do thoughts travel faster than the speed of light?

No. Quite slow in fact. Study has shown that by looking at brain activities you can predict what the brain and person will do next.

 

[zhihau]

No. Quite slow in fact. Study has shown that by looking at brain activities you can predict what the brain and person will do next.

saw the experiment on the MRI imaging of the brain activity, the signals suggests brain activities but does not reveal the exact thought. at best, it shows the innate predictive skills the test subject possesses, i.e in anticipation of the subsequent image flashed to him/her and the decision making process to press that button/trigger in the hand. no?

 

[zhihau]

the moment someone check the colour of the socks, the colour of the socks become fix. information is indeed travelling faster than time.

heheh... how does A know of the result even when B knows? aren't they far apart? the box for A is still closed. until the information containing what is found in B's posession had been transmitted to A, then the mystery is truly revealed for A only

 

[Fook Seng]

saw the experiment on the MRI imaging of the brain activity, the signals suggests brain activities but does not reveal the exact thought. at best, it shows the innate predictive skills the test subject possesses, i.e in anticipation of the subsequent image flashed to him/her and the decision making process to press that button/trigger in the hand. no?

The person doing the thinking won't know what he is thinking until the entire thought process is completed which involves various parts of the brain. He would be very surprised when someone observing his brain patterns could know what he would do next even before he knew it himself. A yes-no decision is only a simple demo of how the brain works. More complex thought processes are probably carried out in the same way, if not even in a more convoluted fashion. The experiment shows that someone observing the brain activities at the speed of light arrives at the answer earlier than the subject himself who depends on thought processes that function via electrons and charged molecules.

 

[zhihau]

The experiment shows that someone observing the brain activities at the speed of light arrives at the answer earlier than the subject himself who depends on thought processes that function via electrons and charged molecules.

heheh... then me have to watch the video again
question thou', if the brain signals the observers see are indicative of the test subject's decision, are those signals triggered from the command to depress the button the test subject is holding? if so, then it is only the lag in muscular response time that gives an impression that the observers knew of the test subject's decision, no?
me love neuro-biology quite a fair bit myself, so good learning opportunity here

 

[vamjok]

heheh... how does A know of the result even when B knows? aren't they far apart? the box for A is still closed. until the information containing what is found in B's posession had been transmitted to A, then the mystery is truly revealed for A only

cos wave function has already collapsed for A (even B did not know A checked), so automatically it will collapsed for B (the result for B is linked with A as they are taken from the same drawer - their link). distance how far they are apart does not matters.

its the same as the cat situation, before you open the box, its dead and alive. once u check its either dead or alive, but the result is already there. even you close the box another person did not know you have already check it, the result is already fix as the wave function has collapsed the moment you open it.

by the way this example if i am not wrong is from a great scientist (cannot remember who LOL). he use this to attack einstein that nothing is faster than light if i am not wrong (einstein lose in this, this is an example of information can travel faster than light)

 

[zhihau]

cos wave function has already collapsed for A (even B did not know A checked), so automatically it will collapsed for B.

hmm... is this relativity or quantum mechanics at play?
in the scenario me had posted, A wouldn't know if he got rr, rg, or gg until either he checks them or he is told of B's selection. much as the wave function had collapsed for B since he had opened the proverbial box, A would still be clueless about his selection, i.e. the wave function still exist only for A, but not for B or the other independent observers like us since B knows his selection. correct?