SilkAir Flight 185 crashed. Minister fucked journalist.

[HTOLAS]

It's far more likely (but I have no way of confirming this) that someone banged the table (which would have been at his chest level is he were standing on the floor) when reporters broke the MSK escape.

 

[scroobal]

No. They were based at Clarke Air Force run by the Americans. I am not surprised. We educated a generation that had the impression that we left Malaysia on our own accord.

Here is another piece of information - RSAF has lost more than 20 pilots since we became a country.

i'm sorry is this some sort of urban legend? any air force to lose 5 airplanes in a single non-combat incident would have made headlines to mars, especially if it happens to the region's best airforce. you're kidding right?

 

[zuoom]

here's a more recent one. (May 2004)

http://www.necn.com/pages/landing?blockID=119092&tagID=24559

That crash happened in May 2004, when a pilot with the Singapore air force died after his jet went down during a training mission at an Air Force bombing range in southwest Arizona.

Brandon Loo Kwang Han - F16
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=204488&page=27

 

[Papsmearer]

You need to shoot your source for coming out with rubbish like that. Also need to shoot yourself for not having basic analytical skills and common sense.

The crash took place just after 4pm. By evening it was on TV news and all over the world. Whole of Singapore knew of the crash (except maybe you) by midnight. The newspaper came out the next morning and they obviously did not break the story as it was already broken, an omelet was made and eaten by then.

The scolding incident was a few days later for suggesting that the pilot was in financial distress and insinuating suicide. As usual the brothel put a lid on it. This pilot was one of 5 clowns flying formation in Philippines when they thought the highest mountain is as high as Bukit Timah Hill and 4 of them slammed into a mountainside when they broke thru a cloud. Only this clown escaped. This clown was the only one who missed and thought he was on a second life and began acting crazy. He was previously caught switching off the voice recorder and had been demoted and pushed to Silkair for disciplinary issues. He still was facing disciplinary issue when it occurred.

Just to clarify, it was actually only 4 planes flying formation, not 5. One of the crashed planes was a 2 seater, hence 4 pilots died in their Skyhawk. Very bad accident. The USAF and USN have been flying out of Clark AB for decades and use their range all the time, and never had an accident this bad. At that time, our Skyhawks were fitted with good navigation gear, but not ground avoidance radar. Still, should not have happened.

 

[shOUTloud]

Thanks for providing these information. I learnt something very new about the Silkair crash and the RSAF today.

Most prob, the pilot's brothers were calling to him when the Silkair crash occurred.

 

[scroobal]

You are right. By the way, another few years later another 2 planes and pilots lost and wreckage found on another Filipino mountain range about 2 weeks later.

Just to clarify, it was actually only 4 planes flying formation, not 5. One of the crashed planes was a 2 seater, hence 4 pilots died in their Skyhawk. Very bad accident. The USAF and USN have been flying out of Clark AB for decades and use their range all the time, and never had an accident this bad. At that time, our Skyhawks were fitted with good navigation gear, but not ground avoidance radar. Still, should not have happened.

 

[scroobal]

Apparently he was also treated it as second life or an extension not in the positive sense but in the negative sense.

I was told that commercial airlines tend to avoid fighter pilots. Its not he case in SIA. I wonder if anyone close to Aviation can throw some light.

Thanks for providing these information. I learnt something very new about the Silkair crash and the RSAF today.

Most prob, the pilot's brothers were calling to him when the Silkair crash occurred.

 

[Papsmearer]

You are right. By the way, another few years later another 2 planes and pilots lost and wreckage found on another Filipino mountain range about 2 weeks later.

I don't quite remember this one. In fact, I am not sure of this incident that u referring to. I recall the 1988 crash of a hawker Hunter near Clark, and also a Skyhawk crash in 1989 out of Clark AFB too. Both incidents after the 3 plane crash. The RSAF is notorious for mid air collisions, but I am not aware of this one you are talking about.

 

[Watchman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185

Interesting to note .

 

[Papsmearer]

Apparently he was also treated it as second life or an extension not in the positive sense but in the negative sense.

I was told that commercial airlines tend to avoid fighter pilots. Its not he case in SIA. I wonder if anyone close to Aviation can throw some light.

Ok, I see no one is attempting this answer. Its not true that commercial airlines avoid former fighter pilots. Its really a myth. If you look at commercial aviation in Asia in general, u will see that many asian countries do not have a strong commercial aviation history. When asian airlines started expanding rapidly in the 70s and 80s, very few local pilots had commercial multi engine ratings. Most of the airlines like SQ hired western commercial pilots initially, but national policy encouraged the development of a pool of local commercial pilots. In asia, the only people with many hours of jet experience were air force pilots. In the example of S'pore, the RSAF allowed a batch of their experienced pilots to go over to SIA at that time as flight engineers, navigators, and 1st officers on 707s and what not. When they build up the hours, they became captains. Today, you will find Airbus 340 and 777 flight instructors that are local sinkies. Repeat this scenario in South Korea, Taiwan, etc. The exception is maybe japan. That is why u will find many China airlines pilots are ex-fighter pilots too, for example.

Over in North America, you will find that many of the main carrier pilots are actually USAF reserve pilots and National Guard pilots. They will fly their commercial planes for most of the month, than once or twice a month, they will report to their reserve unit to fly their F-16s, F-15s etc. Even though they don't need the money, many of them love to fly the fighters, so they keep active on single engine fast jets that way.

 

[scroobal]

There was a time when our skies did not have 24 hr protection because 2 bozos flying the AWAC forgot to lower the landing gear and actually landed it. Quietly the work was done on the undercarriage over months.

Then you had another clown whose towing cable for pulling targets got stuck and instead of going to Tengah, still headed to Paya Lebar and killed an innocent motorist on a busy road.

Then they appointed a scholar married to a foreigner to be psychologist keeping watch on pilots. Someone forgot to do a security check and all hell broke loose.

Then we have a whole bunch of OCS training Officers lying under oath during a coroner's inquiry requiring the then minister of Defence GCT to intervene.

Then ........... the list goes on.

I don't quite remember this one. In fact, I am not sure of this incident that u referring to. I recall the 1988 crash of a hawker Hunter near Clark, and also a Skyhawk crash in 1989 out of Clark AFB too. Both incidents after the 3 plane crash. The RSAF is notorious for mid air collisions, but I am not aware of this one you are talking about.

 

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[Watchman]

Death

Hicks was on-board SilkAir Flight 185, a scheduled passenger service from Jakarta, Indonesia to Singapore. On December 19, 1997, the ill-fated flight crashed into the Musi River on the Indonesian island of Sumatra, killing all 104 on board. The aircraft broke into pieces before impact and the debris was scattered over several kilometers. No bodies or body parts were recovered.[13] [14]

 

[moolightaffairs]

Slapping incident, not 2 want to resing, 3 of them. Richard, tony, and dhana.

bro, izzit the dragon prince slapping incident?

 

[Papsmearer]

There was a time when our skies did not have 24 hr protection because 2 bozos flying the AWAC forgot to lower the landing gear and actually landed it. Quietly the work was done on the undercarriage over months.

I thought we were talking abiut Clark AFB accidents. Anyway, in the E-2 accident, it happens. Its easy to say they are bozos. But human error happens all the time on planes. even very experienced pilot have forgotten to do that. I can't remember the exact circumstances, but they could have been doing touch and go circuits in which case, its sometimes confusing to remember whether your landing gear is down. Its true, they should have gone thru the checklist, but ATC is also supposed to eyeball their plane and let them know whether the undercart is up or down. When u pancake land like that, much more than the undercart is repaired. U have to rebuild the under belly, engines, and check over the whole avionics suite, etc. By the way, 24 hours protection over the skies is NOT necessary in S'pore.

Then you had another clown whose towing cable for pulling targets got stuck and instead of going to Tengah, still headed to Paya Lebar and killed an innocent motorist on a busy road.

Then they appointed a scholar married to a foreigner to be psychologist keeping watch on pilots. Someone forgot to do a security check and all hell broke loose.

Nothing new and no big deal mah. The Chief of the navy was at one time a Taiwanese born in ROC and was a senior naval officer in the ROC navy. Got a PR in Sinkie pore and became RSN chief. i think there are no secrets not known to the ROC Navy now.

Then we have a whole bunch of OCS training Officers lying under oath during a coroner's inquiry requiring the then minister of Defence GCT to intervene.

Then ........... the list goes on.

The list may go on, but these are accidents that will happen again. not only in singapore, but other country;s air force. I don't view them as any reflection ion the RSAF.

 

[scroobal]

Yes, they do all the time, but unlike other countries , they appear in the press and action is taken against those culpable. Singaporeans have impression that we are perfect. I got an email from a stunned chap when I revealed that over 20 pilots have lost their lives and I did not include Heli pilots.

The list may go on, but these are accidents that will happen again. not only in singapore, but other country;s air force. I don't view them as any reflection ion the RSAF.

 

[zuoom]

Then you had another clown whose towing cable for pulling targets got stuck and instead of going to Tengah, still headed to Paya Lebar and killed an innocent motorist on a busy road.

i vaguely remember hearing about this incident. can't remember if it was on the main news of some people talking about it.

safety oversight/issue.

 

[Papsmearer]

Yes, they do all the time, but unlike other countries , they appear in the press and action is taken against those culpable. Singaporeans have impression that we are perfect. I got an email from a stunned chap when I revealed that over 20 pilots have lost their lives and I did not include Heli pilots.

The list is actually more than 30 pilots. As far as i know, all RSAF fatalities have been reported as they have to go thru a coroner's inquest. Incident rate involving fatalities has declined in recent years due to the newer fleet age. Most of the deaths occured on Hunters and Skyhawks. I think sinkies know that the SAF in general is far from perfect, and the RSAF is the least screwed up section of the SAF. I certainly do not have the impression they are perfect at all.

 

[Rogue Trader]

i vaguely remember hearing about this incident. can't remember if it was on the main news of some people talking about it.

safety oversight/issue.

i remember the story of one pilot eject from a training jet and the plane crash land in to a kampung house and kill a man in toilet. I think it is Lim chu kang or some sampat area.

 

[scroobal]

Its not only the RSAF but the various services of govt. Just look at the comments from forummers when such cases are mentioned. They are not aware of it.

As to having the coroner's inquiry - you have no idea the pressure that coroner's have been facing. During the CI when the entire lot of OCS trainers lied under oath except for one, the GCT called the coroner directly and instructed him to return a verdict and close the inquiry. As to the towing incident, SAF resisted investigation by the Police and the Coroner had to demand progress report to answers on a number of occasions.

I think I better stop here.

The list is actually more than 30 pilots. As far as i know, all RSAF fatalities have been reported as they have to go thru a coroner's inquest. Incident rate involving fatalities has declined in recent years due to the newer fleet age. Most of the deaths occured on Hunters and Skyhawks. I think sinkies know that the SAF in general is far from perfect, and the RSAF is the least screwed up section of the SAF. I certainly do not have the impression they are perfect at all.