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SGH 1st magnet hospital? Any SGH horror stories to share?

palden

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you write disrespectfully with contempt and disdain....about doctors and call them dogs....you think it's right and proper to do that?

your character mirrors what you will get in life...

If that happens to you, I would like to see your respect. The whole point is that last year I was told my dad is gone case and just give him quality in life.

We had proven otherwise. If even the dogs have no fighting spirit, why are they there in the first place. Go to the cancer ward, everyone is dying. Let's face itif we do nothing about it things will get worse and in fact we are now the dogs. Why threaten an old dying man?
 

SneeringTree

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you write disrespectfully with contempt and disdain....about doctors and call them dogs....you think it's right and proper to do that?

your character mirrors what you will get in life...

If what he writes is true, then the doctors dserved to be called dogs. Probably worse than dogs.
 

palden

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It's true! Detect my disrespect, contempt and disdain. Actually wanting to call them vets but when my dog died, the vet cried so I cannot call them vets without disrespect to the vets
 

palden

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Any Bros go contacts for cancer specialist in JB, Melaka or KL? Don't want to continue in SGH anymore. They view cancer as sure lose case. In fact everyone is going to die some day so why seek medical? I feel we must have a positive mindset. There are cases where poeple live on after cancer and my dad is close to that already. Mount E is just too ex though they did a great job. Is the the gahment responsibility to provide quality medical care for us? It need not be free but should it be at least affordable?
 
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middaydog

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Any Bros go contacts for cancer specialist in JB, Melaka or KL? Don't want to continue in SGH anymore. They view cancer as sure lose case. In fact everyone is going to die some day so why seek medical? I feel we must have a positive mindset. There are cases where poeple live on after cancer and my dad is close to that already. Mount E is just too ex though they did a great job. Is the the gahment responsibility to provide quality medical care for us? It need not be free but should it be at least affordable?

Is there differences between SGH and National Cancer Centre? Why should not your father be treat at NCC? I found that most doctors working under NCC are a compassionate lot though quite a number of them, just to quote one_ Ang Peng Thiam, have left for their own private practice and the remaining have to work under heavy work load

one name worth mentioning is Dr Khoo Hwen Sin
 

johnny333

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Saw him on a wheelchair talking on his mobile with all his bodyguards moving very fast and an old uncle type doctor trying to catch up behind.

They say you can't avoid death & taxes. Even though LKY doesn't have to pay taxes, he still has an appointment with the grim reaper.

No matter how fast he runs, it's going to catch up with him :smile:
 

am55

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S'pore that is run by this govt have become very pragmatic and practical, this policy has infected most govt organisations. SGH is a place where docs follow a set procedure when dealing with patients. The docs are very mechanical, professional but very cold and few docs have an emotional connection with their patients.

My friend was admitted to sgh because he could not breath, in AE he was quickly attend to and was warded within 2 hrs usually it will take from 4 hrs onwards to be warded. After doing countless blood test, scans and more tests it was discovered that his kidneys were failing what followed was an aggressive fight by the docs to save his kidneys and yes a team of docs were attending to him led by a proffessor who only saw him once but docs visited him about 4 times daily. When his kidneys even with all the aggressive medications failed. He was sent a counsellor and a renal coordinator to educate him on dialysis and break the bad news to him. The docs were cold and left the hand holding to the counsellor and the renal coodinator. He was warded in a B2 ward
 

palden

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Is there differences between SGH and National Cancer Centre? Why should not your father be treat at NCC? I found that most doctors working under NCC are a compassionate lot though quite a number of them, just to quote one_ Ang Peng Thiam, have left for their own private practice and the remaining have to work under heavy work load

one name worth mentioning is Dr Khoo Hwen Sin

Ang Peng Thiam is a good doctor. Don't know about Dr Khoo but the dog who threaten my father and act like big shot is from NCC. By the way I do understand their workload. Got nothing against doctors by it's the dogs that are giving docs a bad name. Majority I feel is the system's fault which cause most docs to become dogs. But the system is set by someone who got elected and had a good life. Doesn't know the hardship of life. Even if we complain, the system will never change.
 

knowwhatyouwantinlife

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sad to hear about your plight, but really, esp in SG, all healthcare workers are burnt out, even the high paying senior consultants...some points:

(1.) For the nurses, most are doing shift duties. So for example if I am doing PM shift today (start at 2 and end at 9.30) and the next day i am rostered AM (start at 7 finish at 2.30), i virtually do not sleep much, maybe 4 or 5 hours, so imagine i am already tired and grouchy, and sometimes one whole shift of staff are on such schedule, how do you think they will treat the patients and their families?

(2.) Moreover the pay is also low, you compare the expertise needed and the effort put in, may it be for the staff nusrse or the dr, with those working in pen pushing jobs, well its no wonder very few locals are still in this industry (govt will tell you they want you to have affordable healthcare), so with the hiring of more foreigners, the most obvious is, language becomes a huge problem, esp to the older patients. Foreigners, esp the pinoys, like to "kai seow" and despite being in the industry and knowing so many of them, i have never seen one that is genuine compassionate to our local patients....I really do not know why they are working here as nurses when they lack compassion...fuck those who support this hiring of foreign nurses policy, hope one day they become old and their kids chuck them into a nursing home to be taken care by foreigners...

(3.) Patient care nowadays is more about legality, rather than genuine care and compassion. e.g. my sister once had viral fever, temp 39.2, went to ttsh a and e, the M.O there said they will only admit her if her temperature is above 39.5 and her blood tests is positive for dengue...i cannot imagine if I still have to crawl to the hospital if my temp is 39.6...its a very obvious fact, nowadays the DOGS that you mention (M.Os and Regs, both local and foreigners, in fact majority of foreign drs, quite the contrary from the nurses, show better care and compassion to their patients) somehow lack compassion and patience when dealing with patients (unless you are one who threaten to complain and can back it up with a lawyer letter, hospitals are very afraid of this...) which leads to...

(4.) The Dr selection criteria in NUS is still very wrong...not many people at the age of 18 (after JC) can make a decision on a life changing career, study 6 years and go to serve out a 6 year bond. Many become disillusioned by the work load (the senior consultants in my hospital, if they are on call, still have to work 12 days straight once every month, is it really worth their basic of $20K, legal issues, complains and all?) and become DOGS, proud and minimal compassion...and also very poor and insensitive communication skills...also due to the bond amount, children from well to do families are still favoured over the poor ones, academic results being equal...

(5.) is healthcare in SG the worst? I can rest assure you from a quality perspective, we are still miles ahead of the USA and definitely one of the best in the world, however it is just too bad every one is stressed out and only worry about their own ricebowl, hence compassion is lacking, and also the local hospital system has taught all of us to be task orientated rather than be patient focused..its really sad cos somehow, hospitals are really run by idiots (why in the world do you need so many CEOs running a healthgroup is beyond me...)
 

palden

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I agree it is the bloody system that is at fault. This world now is all about kpi. Whoever setup this stupid system will rot in hell till eternity comes to an end. I feel we need a new health minister or rather a new culture
 

knowwhatyouwantinlife

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hairdo lim was actually a pretty good health minister, well at least he was generous with the healthcare workers and he really showed care, concern and compassion for many...but i really do not understand why does PAP always get Engineers to become health ministers? with an engineer's mindset, you only worry about whether a mechanical device work or does not work, hence the stupid KPI...Whatever talks or conferences we go nowadays, speakers like to mention about how safe the airline industry is and how little accidents there are (per number of flights), but they fail to mention airline deal with dead things like engines and all, whereby healthcare deals with humans and lives...really sad and pathetic...who knows maybe vivian will actually make a good health minister since he was a Dr before...sigh...
 

danls79

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this is to tell you all got anything go to the private hospital after a very bad experiance that happen to my wife a few years ago now all my family members all go to the private doc only as for polyclinic just forget abt it man totally waste of time to go there......................the doc there are so under paid you think that they are so willing to serve us i rather got to my family doc at least he is having a private clinic thus no choice got to have good service to all
 

theblackhole

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if we want to pass judgement on anybody, let us have all the facts - not just one side of the story. we don't really know what actually happened.

sick people are very sensitive people. care-givers are also very sensitive people. and if we don't have the FACTS of the whole case, we cannot simply believe just one side of the story and draw conclusions...calling doctors dogs is not a kind thing to do.

don't you agree?
 

Ramseth

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My personal experience is, SGH is crap, TTSH is good, Rajyindee Hospital in Hatyai is best!
 

knowwhatyouwantinlife

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if we want to pass judgement on anybody, let us have all the facts - not just one side of the story. we don't really know what actually happened.

sick people are very sensitive people. care-givers are also very sensitive people. and if we don't have the FACTS of the whole case, we cannot simply believe just one side of the story and draw conclusions...calling doctors dogs is not a kind thing to do.

don't you agree?

what you say may be true as all of us could really be generalizing, but if you read the thread starter's post carefully, he is more or less implying that local Drs are not too good and deserved to be called dogs because from his personal experience, they are rude, and showed no care, concern and compassion(qualities expected of healthcare workers) to his father when he was admitted...and he did mention it is the "system's" fault to base everything on kpi, hence may produce insensitive drs...

since he and his father is somehow engaged as a service recipient from the hospital, a reasonably quality and standard of care is expected to be delivered, and he has the right to be angry...

pray tell if you were in his shoes, what would you have done to protect your loved ones?
 

johnny333

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if we want to pass judgement on anybody, let us have all the facts - not just one side of the story. we don't really know what actually happened.

sick people are very sensitive people. care-givers are also very sensitive people. and if we don't have the FACTS of the whole case, we cannot simply believe just one side of the story and draw conclusions...calling doctors dogs is not a kind thing to do.

don't you agree?

From my personal experience at being hospitalised in Canada & Spore, I can tell you how much better the Canadian sytem is, compared to Spore. For your information I paid very much more for my healthcare in Spore :(

If Spore was that good I'd continue going to a Spore hospitals but
I now choose to go to Malaysia for my healthcare needs. I've spoken to some Indonesians who agree with me.

In Spore there might be decent healthcare for those with $$$ & the correct connections :rolleyes: I'm sure people like LKY has a more positive experiences but even he & his family have chosen to go overseas :rolleyes:
 

palden

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hairdo lim was actually a pretty good health minister, well at least he was generous with the healthcare workers and he really showed care, concern and compassion for many...but i really do not understand why does PAP always get Engineers to become health ministers? with an engineer's mindset, you only worry about whether a mechanical device work or does not work, hence the stupid KPI...Whatever talks or conferences we go nowadays, speakers like to mention about how safe the airline industry is and how little accidents there are (per number of flights), but they fail to mention airline deal with dead things like engines and all, whereby healthcare deals with humans and lives...really sad and pathetic...who knows maybe vivian will actually make a good health minister since he was a Dr before...sigh...

PAPist just care about topline and bottom line. It's all dollars and cents. Doctors works 24 to 72 hours. How not to screw up? I agree, it humans not machines they are dealing with. Can't just say Oops change a capacitor or resistor. Moreover like HDB, I can't see how it is being subsidzised. Discount from market rate?
 

palden

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if we want to pass judgement on anybody, let us have all the facts - not just one side of the story. we don't really know what actually happened.

sick people are very sensitive people. care-givers are also very sensitive people. and if we don't have the FACTS of the whole case, we cannot simply believe just one side of the story and draw conclusions...calling doctors dogs is not a kind thing to do.

don't you agree?

Your time will come. We'll see what you call them then.... Infact everyone's time will come what then?
 
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