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[Forvendet]

Forv, my sincere words. JW? Johnny Walker? Red, black, green, blue label? Never mind lah, though I just joined recently I've been reading this forum just about the same time as you'd joined. Understanding the many characteristics and style I don't say I've mastered liao, I don't find the accusation matching. Just like you now, I felt I was tested but I
couldn't care less and continued to being what I am, I just ignored them. JUST CONTINUE TO BE YOURSELF. Cheers

Thanks. I'll do with a sip of my Chivas Regal now. Cheers!

 

[scroobal]

Nobody is questioning your expertise in dealing with exotic wildlife. Just telling that your claims that AVA was not smart is not the right picture. Not that you were smart but they could not be bothered as they are not interested in CITES or pleasing NGOS and the Americans. If you were smuggling cigarettes it's a major priority as it hits Govt excise. There is a full intelligence and enforcement team. ACRES does more than AVA.

I also cited that Barter Trade Centre of old where exotic animals were going in and out in contravention and it is a Govt protected site with Police post and manned entry and exit. So making claims of stealth and outsmarting AVA in smuggling thru Singapore seems out of whack. AVA

In essence and to make an exaggerated point - unless you carried a clouded leopard on your head and wearing high heels with thick lipstick, with short skirt they can't be bothered. It is not in the agenda of this Govt. It's of no national interest. Just don't sell it openly for perception purpose.

This is the full mission statement of AVAhttp://www.ava.gov.sg/AboutAVA/VisionMissionValues/
Ensure a resilient supply of safe food;
Ensure the health & safeguard the welfare of animals;
Safeguard the health of plants;
Facilitate agri-trade; andNurture and inspire staff to be the best we can be!

Note nothing about CITES and smuggling.

As to exotic wildlife no clue , you are the boss. Got the picture now.

i did cross fire with him once on animals thread ...he act as he know what is going around reptiles trade and AVA ..for that ,it pissed me off as i have been in exotic pets business for almost 20years ( even when im in singapore ) .

 

[drifter]

Nobody is questioning your expertise in dealing with exotic wildlife. Just telling that your claims that AVA was not smart is not the right picture. Not that you were smart but they could not be bothered as they are not interested in CITES or pleasing NGOS and the Americans. If you were smuggling cigarettes it's a major priority as it hits Govt excise. There is a full intelligence and enforcement team. ACRES does more than AVA.

I also cited that Barter Trade Centre of old where exotic animals were going in and out in contravention and it is a Govt protected site with Police post and manned entry and exit. So making claims of stealth and outsmarting AVA in smuggling thru Singapore seems out of whack. AVA

In essence and to make an exaggerated point - unless you carried a clouded leopard on your head and wearing high heels with thick lipstick, with short skirt they can't be bothered. It is not in the agenda of this Govt. It's of no national interest. Just don't sell it openly for perception purpose.

This is the full mission statement of AVAhttp://www.ava.gov.sg/AboutAVA/VisionMissionValues/
Ensure a resilient supply of safe food;
Ensure the health & safeguard the welfare of animals;
Safeguard the health of plants;
Facilitate agri-trade; andNurture and inspire staff to be the best we can be!

Note nothing about CITES and smuggling.

As to exotic wildlife no clue , you are the boss. Got the picture now.

for your information ...ACRES does not do more then AVA ...louis ng is busy collecting funds from the public ..all he does is creating an image that he is doing his job to generate more income for himself from road show . if AVA really do not bother to please NGO or the american then why needed CITES law in the first place ? just for show ? Barter Trade Centre is not the only place where live animals are being smuggle ..theres tons of ways to smuggle illiegal wildlife to singapore ( here , im not going to mention how and where ) . It is not in the agenda of this Govt. It's of no national interest ? lol ...you must be joking !!!do you know those court fine can make any person rich ? go and check out the amount of fine if kena caught smuggling ( since your goverment love money so much ) . dont you know fine is another way that your goverment generate their filthy income ? oh yes , singapore is indeed a "fine " country .. .

 

[drifter]

Under the Act, it is an offence to import and export any endangered species without a permit from AVA. It is also an offence to possess, sell, offer or expose for sale, or display to the public any of these species, if it has been illegally imported. Any person or company caught violating the ESA is liable to be prosecuted in Court and fined up to a maximum of S$50,000 for EACH animal or plant ( but not to exceed in the aggregate S$500,000 ) and/or to imprisonment for a term up to 2 years.

 

[scroobal]

Before you sit down and have that sip. JW5 is one of the longest serving vet and has one of the best instincts. He does not bother about the majority of mindless trolls but the rare and unusual ones with an agenda. The issue is not you per se but Ramseth. I have called him Teflon for a reason - nothing sticks on him. He is well refined version of Yap Keng Hoe - background not known, missing patches but very interested in people involved in opposition politics, takes great trouble to meet them but has no philosophy, nor actual interest in politics. Has a police back ground and spent considerable time overseas. The moment TKL expressed interest in opposition politics, he latched on to TKL like a leech. He is been using GMS and CTL to get in closer to others

Guess what, just as his tour of duty seem to be ending, you turn up with near identical credentials, near identical writing style and your persona building is rather contrived. Also noticed that like Ramseth, close to WP but has never seem critical of the Govt. People assume that when someone is in the company of opposition identities they are critical of the estblaihment. Anyone can ever recall of any strong stand on politics of Ramseth despite his years mixing with opposition candidates. Can anyone recall Ramseth revealing anything damaging of the Govt. On the other hand he revealed that GMS was personally funding the deposit for the Malay candidates - not something that you reveal prior to the elections and damages the opposition.

I guess over the years, we have had a grandstand view. We have seen a chap here who was recruiting for WP in this forum but collating nics and matching real identities. By now you would know that WP has to be the most watched entity by the authorities. By now you would know that the 1985 Marxist conspiracy was nothing to do with the Church but articles that appeared in the Hammer and the people who worked on it were not registered members. By the way, your wife opening an account in Malaysia was quite amusing.

I am sure this topic will not die down anytime soon.

Thanks. I'll do with a sip of my Chivas Regal now. Cheers!

 

[scroobal]

377A is in the books but no one is going to be prosecuted. A position stated by the Govt. Just an example. Not politically expedient to take it out so it remains.

Under the Act, it is an offence to import and export any endangered species without a permit from AVA. It is also an offence to possess, sell, offer or expose for sale, or display to the public any of these species, if it has been illegally imported. Any person or company caught violating the ESA is liable to be prosecuted in Court and fined up to a maximum of S$50,000 for EACH animal or plant ( but not to exceed in the aggregate S$500,000 ) and/or to imprisonment for a term up to 2 years.

 

[drifter]

377A is in the books but no one is going to be prosecuted. A position stated by the Govt. Just an example. Not politically expedient to take it out so it remains.

and your point is ....

 

[scroobal]

Bro, nothing personal. AVA has more important functions. Contrand pork coming thru the causeway creates alarm bells and a note to Minister. A racehorse that breaches quarantine rules is a major event. An equine imported disease has the potential to cripple the turf club and the high gambling tax. 10 orang utan passing thru Singapore has no impact on Singapore. Contaminated food coming into Singapore is a major political disaster. One containerful of exotic animals does not register in the importance scale. But world perception wise, we have look good but we not going to break out back doing it. Not suggesting that ACRES is good or important. It's just another NGO. Frankly if ACRES did not exist, nobody could be bothered.

for your information ...ACRES does not do more then AVA ...louis ng is busy collecting funds from the public ..all he does is creating an image that he is doing his job to generate more income for himself from road show . if AVA really do not bother to please NGO or the american then why needed CITES law in the first place ? just for show ? Barter Trade Centre is not the only place where live animals are being smuggle ..theres tons of way to smuggle illiegal wildlife ( here , im not going to mention how and where ) . It is not in the agenda of this Govt. It's of no national interest ? lol ...you must be joking !!!do you know those court fine can make any person rich ? go and check out the amount of fine if kena caught smuggling ( since your goverment love money so much ) . dont you know fine is another way that your goverment generate their income ? oh yes , singapore is indeed a "fine " country .. .

 

[scroobal]

Some laws are there for show. You cited the Law and I gave you an example of a law that is there to please some joker

and your point is ....

 

[drifter]

Bro, nothing personal. AVA has more important functions. Contrand pork coming thru the causeway creates alarm bells and a note to Minister. A racehorse that breaches quarantine rules is a major event. An equine imported disease has the potential to cripple the turf club and the high gambling tax. 10 orang utan passing thru Singapore has no impact on Singapore. Contaminated food coming into Singapore is a major political disaster. One containerful of exotic animals does not register in the importance scale. But world perception wise, we have look good but we not going to break out back doing it. Not suggesting that ACRES is good or important. It's just another NGO. Frankly if ACRES did not exist, nobody could be bothered.

dude , of course AVA have agenda ,which is to send anyone that break the law to court for FINE ..same as contraband cig or should i say cig without TAX ( we are talking about max 50k per head for each illegally smuggle animal here ) ..the key word here is FINE . 10 orang utan passing thru Singapore has no impact on Singapore what about 100 orang utan running lose on the street ? what about 50k FINE per head for 100 primates ? those FINES are huge amount . by the way ACRES is not really NGO ...they do get some profit if not louis ng who say he only got 1500 a month from his con company can support his SUV car loan , house loan and his angmo house wife . ACRES exist is not because he love animals ...ACRES exist because theres money in the pot ....again the key word here is MONEY .

 

[drifter]

Some laws are there for show. You cited the Law and I gave you an example of a law that is there to please some joker

bro , when theres money ( fines ) involved ..theres no show from the goverment ..they are in Serious Business

 

[drifter]

got to grab some sweet dream now ..nice debating on AVA and ACRES issue here with you ...cheers .

 

[mollusk]

wah..this thread is for giving points..now become AVA thread...

 

[streetsmart73]

wah..this thread is for giving points..now become AVA thread...

hi there


1. bro, bingo!
2. honest, i am seeing stars now **************

 

[Forvendet]

Has a police back ground and spent considerable time overseas. The moment TKL expressed interest in opposition politics, he latched on to TKL like a leech.

Good that you noticed that Ramseth was NTUC Income man and ally of TKL. It was first revealed by PatrickV who was stalking Ramseth then, linking his real identity to TKL blog. I've checked out that blog too. Anyway, I understand that Ramseth has been open identity long ago since his open association with GMS. Ramseth nonchalantly admitted as much so and brushed his stalker aside. His stalker died a natural death. That I must learn from him.

I'm no supporter of TKL. I support TT for PE and now this attracts another stalker Bus64. We were on friendly terms until the impending PE heats up and I expressed support for TT, and he's since been stalking me every other post accusing me of "porlumpar" which I understand to mean "balls carrier." That's alright as I understand, nothing personal, he just hates PAP. See the difference?

I'm no hater of PAP too. I'm only against some of their policies. I voted against PAP because I think they have too much power and a team led by CST wasn't a bad alternative for my GRC. I can tell you frankly that if CSJ was able to stand and came to B-TP, I'd have voted for PAP. I have no strong hatred for PAP though I won't support them blindly too. But I have strong distaste against SDP under CSJ. I'll vote against them for the sake of voting against them.

 

[jw5]

To those chaps who believed in my judgement or said that I'm an ok forummer like KNNBCCB, Windsor, Drifter, Scroobal, etc, thanks.

To Forvendet aka Ramseth:
What I find most interesting is the way you have "retaliated". You called me a troll and a stalker. Anyone who has been in this forum and the old delphi forum long enough will say that I must be the worst troll and stalker ever. It's also interesting how you have told BusNo64 that I'm worse than him, someone who called you vulgarities and "porlumpar". Guess being called "porlumpar" doesn't hurt you, but being called out on a new nickname and fake persona that you have carefully cultivated does huh.

I don't want this to escalate any further because the long timers will remember how the old forum was damaged by persistent flame wars.
Just think about this. I have been using this same nickname since 1999. Ramseth since perhaps 2002 or 3. I never went after him all that time even during the above mentioned flame wars.
I only started this because you are now making a mockery of the forum and the forummers with this fake bullshit persona.
You claim not to understand why I did this. This is the reason.
And I know why you need to continue pretending. Because Ramseth is not supposed to post on "controversial issues", but Forvendet can, as long as he is not known to be Ramseth.
Last words on this matter.

 

[Forvendet]

Last words on this matter.

OK. Last words. I'm sick and tired of this too.

 

[mollusk]

wah liao..both of you can become best buddies in real life..

 

[drifter]

wah..this thread is for giving points..now become AVA thread...

sorry bro...

 

[drifter]

hi there


1. bro, bingo!
2. honest, i am seeing stars now **************

bro...paiseh to make you see stars ......