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Foreign media: The US military has tracked the Dongfeng 41 test shot but lost at least two warheads.



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Dongfeng 41 intercontinental missile debut in military parade



The service of Dongfeng 41 represents a multiple of China’s strategic counterattack capability

The reason why Dongfeng 41 caused the attention of other countries is because it is the ultimate weapon of the PLA rocket army. The Dongfeng 41 missile research and development project started the project with the code number of 204. In the next 10 years, the solid fuel technology problem of the missile was solved and the high ballistic test was completed. Especially in 2015, the missile was carried in a test. Two independently guided simulated nuclear warheads further demonstrate the status of their nuclear counterattack.



This special celebration cake showed that the launch of Dongfeng 41 was successful.

In the early years, a well-known defense website in the United States claimed that China’s nuclear counterattack technology and its scale are still at a relatively small and primitive level relative to the United States or Russia. It is even impossible to break through the US theater missile defense system and target the first island chain. attack. However, on December 13, 2013, with a test conducted by the Dongfeng 41 missile, the US military intelligence agency suddenly made a 180-degree turn in evaluation. At that time, a microblog of a famous Chinese military magazine published a special photo of a celebration cake. This cake can clearly see a missile launcher made of cream. Soon after, the US Strategic Assessment Center immediately publicly claimed that the Dongfeng 41 intercontinental missile launched by China was a solid-fuel missile with a range of more than 12,000 kilometers and capable of carrying ten sub-heads. The performance has surpassed that of the world's strongest. The US Peace Guardian MX missile, and unlike the MX missile, which is nearly 100 tons in total and can only be launched by the silo, Dongfeng 41 can smoothly launch through the road and railway. Undoubtedly, the United States' assessment of China's strategic counterattack capability also has an exaggerated side, but it does reflect the shock of Dongfeng 41 to the West.



Dongfeng 31A is still unable to meet the requirements of covering the entire imaginary enemy



The range of Dongfeng 41 is the most shocking performance for the West.

The improved Dongfeng 41 is enough to make the US missile defense system that has been spent years of hard work to face a state of powerlessness. At the beginning of 2018, China launched a long-range rocket on the Long March 11 to deliver six satellites at the same time. The launch vehicle used at that time was similar in height to the Dongfeng 41 launch vehicle. This shows that the Dongfeng 41 missile can be freely launched in the launch vehicle. Smoothly maneuver and launch at any time. Although the price of solid fuel is much higher than that of liquid fuel, the convenience brought by it cannot be ignored. In addition to the difference in survivability, if the liquid fuel missile is fired immediately after the fuel is injected, the fuel must be emptied and the missile cleaned. Internally, this is to prevent the internal lines of the missile from being corroded. Solid fuel missiles are equipped at the time of production, eliminating the need for troublesome cleaning and long-term storage. Therefore, most of the intercontinental missiles in the United States and Russia are now dominated by solid fuels. Because Dongfeng 41 can not only be launched through the silo, but also can not be restricted by the region and terrain, it can be deployed by the launch vehicle. This makes it difficult for the imaginary enemy to attack the advanced Chinese attack in a preemptive manner. It is also difficult to eliminate the main force of Dongfeng 41 at one time. .



The launch vehicle of the Long March 11 rocket and the launch vehicle of the Dongfeng 41 missile resemble

In addition, from the beginning of 2018, the Long March 11 rocket sent six satellites into space orbit. The number of warheads carried by Dongfeng 41 has far exceeded that of Dongfeng 31 series. Not only that, Dongfeng 41 uses multiple warheads to independently return to the atmosphere carrier technology to realize the adaptive orbiting of the launch vehicle and the submunition, so that each submunition has a specific trajectory, which can adjust the trajectory to attack different targets, and then let the other party The anti-missile system missed most of the warheads. Together with the computer-controlled inertial guidance system, the circumferential error of Dongfeng 41 is controlled within 200 meters. From the current known situation, when Dongfeng 41 enters the orbit, it will automatically spread more than 20 sub-goals, including not only real bullets, but also a considerable number of fake warheads, so the opponent’s anti-missile system must spend considerable Time to judge. There are two kinds of these fake warheads, including light weight and heavy mass of 20 kilograms. The light quality false warheads will always be accompanied by the warheads, while the heavy quality false warheads will simulate the various maneuvers of the real warheads. At present, the standard 3 series interception system radar in the United States can only identify up to 15 targets. In the face of Dongfeng 41, it is necessary to use manual judgment, but this will undoubtedly increase the probability that the Dongfeng 41's submunition will hit the target. It has been reported that after a launch of the Dongfeng 41, the US military conducted tracking and monitoring, but found that at least two of the warheads completely disappeared from the radar. (Author's signature: Camouflage)



When the Dongfeng 41 is the most, it may carry 10 submunitions.

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Instead of actually fighting the Chinese if they invade Taiwan why doesn't the United States just nuke them if China invades Taiwan?




Is it the concern of any country with regards to China and Taiwan?
What right do any country to intervene or to talk of intervening between China and Taiwan?
You seriously think China can be nuked just like that?
That China got only about 200 nukes and cannot deliver the nukes to USA?
And that you can gloat over a nuked China and laugh at the nuked Chinese?
When China was still almost in stone age condition in 1960s, China still developed the Hydrogen Bomb 3.3 Mtons just 32 months in June 1967 after China first fission bomb. China was using teams of Chinese working away at abacus as they had no computers or even electronic calculators then.

We all know China is a lot more advanced since the mid 60s.

US intelligence projection made late in the 1960s that China would have 435 nuclear weapons by 1973.
Karber’s report mentioned that “PRC data in 1995 gave the figure at 2,350.”

We all know China is a lot more advanced since 1995.

Why You Should Fear China's Nuclear Weapons
Try to read and know of the China Great Underground Wall. China’s complex tunnel system, which stretches 5,000 km (3,000 miles). Do you think that Great Underground Wall of 5000 km hide only 200 nukes?
The report determined that the stated Chinese nuclear arsenal is understated and as many as 3,000 nuclear warheads may be stored in the tunnel network
Underground Great Wall of China - Wikipedia

And remember the DF5s and DF31AG as well. About 100 or more of them, mirving 10 nukes or more.
China has at least three brigades of DF-5 missiles. Assuming all three brigades have been modernized, that's 360 thermonuclear warheads with a half-megaton on each warhead.

3 brigades DF-5B ICBM x 12 missiles per brigade x 10 MIRVs per missile = 360 thermonuclear warheads carried on DF-5B ICBMs
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DF-5B got throw weight of 5,000 kgs
In 2017, China successfully completed tests of DF-5C. Presumably with greater throw weight and greater accuracy in targetting.

7 brigades DF-31A ICBM (since 2007 introduction and adding one brigade per year) x 12 missiles per brigade x 3 MIRVs = 252 thermonuclear warheads carried on DF-31A ICBMs (assuming NO RELOAD missile per TEL; if you assume ONE reload missile per TEL then you double the number of warheads to 504 thermonuclear warheads).
Since then, China tested and got operational DF31AG and DF31B. Obviously able to throw more warheads than the DF31A. The DF31s are solid fuel and can fire within 3 to 5 minutes.

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And the H-6K bombers. H-6K can carry up to six YJ-12 and 6-7 ALCMs; and air launched missiles (CH-AS-X-13)
As at 2015, there are 15 numbers of H-6Ks, and 150 numbers of assorted H-6s.
Using just H-6Ks, there will be need for 15X10 , or 150 thermonuclear bombs.
2015 is 5 years ago. You can be sure there will be even more numbers of H-6K, and even more advanced bombers being build by China.

DF-41 - Wikipedia
The Dong Feng 41 (CSS-X-10) is a road- and rail-mobile intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM). The DF-41 completed all testing stages and deployed in the People’s Republic of China (PRC) since 2017. It is estimated to have an operational range of 12,000 to 15,000 km, which would make it the longest range missile in operation. It will likely have a top speed of Mach 25 and will be capable of delivering up to 10 MIRVed warheads. Throw weight of DF-41 is 2,500 kg.
The DF-41 is a three-stage solid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missile reported to have a maximum range of up to 15,000 kilometers (more than 9320 miles) and a top speed of Mach 25 (19,030 mph). It is said to be capable of carrying up to 10 multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRVs). Its launch preparation time is estimated to be between 3 to 5 minutes.

This would make the DF-41 the world's longest range missile, surpassing the range of the US LGM-30 Minuteman which has a reported range of 13,000 km. Throw weight of LGM-30 is only 1000kg or just 3 numbers of 170kton nukes. USA UGM-133 Trident II throw weight is only 2,800 kg.

As by Jan 2017, Chinese media have reported the deployment of three brigades of DF-41 ICBMs. There is photographic evidence of a possible fourth brigade of DF-41 ICBMs on the Tibetan plateau. However, we have only counted the number of DF-41 ICBM TELs (ie. Transporter Erector Launcher), or 4 X 12 TELs
It is inefficient to fire only one ballistic missile per launcher. It is more logical to fire two ballistic missiles per launcher. This process is called re-loading. A DF-41 TEL can either be re-loaded with another DF-41 ICBM missile nearby or the DF-41 TEL can drive to a hidden re-supply location for another DF-41 ICBM.
If you accept that China has one re-load missile for each DF-41 TEL then the total number of Chinese DF-41 ICBMs has to be doubled.
Four brigades of DF-41 ICBMs (Heilongjiang, Henan, Xinjiang, and Tibet Provinces) with one re-load per DF-41 TEL yields 96 total DF-41 ICBMs.

How many brigades of DF-41 since 2017 number of 4 brigades?
6 Brigades or 8 Brigades?

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Reported DF-41 Deployment: China 'Responding to US Missile Defense in Asia'
Expert: DF-41 among most advanced missiles in the world

If China got only 260 thermonukes like what everyone is saying and hoping, the surplus warheads will be delivering dim sum and tea bags and cleaned pressed laundry from Chinese laundrymen.
Please remember DF-41 got a very big brother coming up as well in case you think DF-41 not worthy enough to deliver dim sum and tea bags and cleaned laundry.
Russia’s RS-28 “Sarmat” ten-ton payload, rated as the most dangerous ICBM . Reportedly it may carry up to fifteen 350 kiloton warheads, or up to twenty-four of the new “Avangard” nuclear-armed Hypersonic Glide Vehicle (HGV) warheads. Sarmat will be dwarfed by Chinese new missile with even larger twenty-ton payload. That will be solid-fuel space-launch vehicle (SLV), and could form the basis for what might become the world’s largest “mobile” ICBM.


The Next China Military Threat: The World's Biggest Mobile ICBM?

And the JL3, on Chinese subs. JL3 navalised version of DF-41. There will be 8 number of Type 094 subs by 2020 (6 now) . And China building 6 numbers of Type 096 simultaneously, equivalent or better than Ohio, each will carry 24 JL-3.

You still feeling lucky?

SSBNs
Type 094 Jin Class SSBN

Currently 6 of type 094 but projected to be 8 in years to come.
Carrying 12 numbers of JL-2, mirving 3–4 thermonuclear warheads.
Or 288 nuclear warheads

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Type 096 Tang Class SSBN
This is similar to Ohio Class
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Carrying 24 JL-3 missiles , each mirving 5–7 warheads.
Currently, 6 numbers of 096 SSBNs are being build simultaneously.
Using 6x24x5, we have 720 thermonuclear warheads.
Or at least 1000 nukes can be delivered by China.
Or the warheads delivered are empty.
More likely than not, China got about 2000 to 3000 numbers of plutonium/U235 cores , together with assemblies of 2000 to 3000 thermonukes. Without the cores inserted and thereby making them a thermonuclear bomb, China got no nukes.
But if the situation is very dangerous, those 2000 to 3000 cores can be inserted in a matter of days into the 2000 to 3000 assemblies.
If China is ever turned into a nuclear wasteland, those that send nukes into China will be nuked into glowing and molten multicolored wasteland.


China promised never to use the first nuke. But if just one nuke land on China or her forces,

ALL THE USA BASES FROM EUROPE, DIEGO GARCIA , SINGAPORE . JAPAN AND USA HERSELF WILL BE SEAS AND LAKES OF MOLTEN MULTI COLOR GLASS.
None of the USA carriers will be spared.
The carriers will be taken out with nukes even if the carriers hide in Frisco Bay or in the Atlantic Ocean or any other ocean.


And as demonstrated so clearly in KSA a few days ago, the Aegis and Patriot systems defending Saudi a joke as the Aegis and Patriot cannot even detect a few sub Mach cruise missiles not to talk of taking them down. Even to now, no one sure where those came from and who flown them. Despite overlapping coverage of those Patriot and Aegis systems.
New sales pitch? US makes the world’s ‘finest’ anti-air systems, but sometimes they just don’t work, Pompeo explains
Saudi air defenses like Patriot & Aegis don’t match their advertised properties, unfit for real combat – Russian Army (MAP)
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How will the Aegis defend against 300–400++ Mach 3s AShMs aimed at each Murican CAGs???

How will the Patriot systems in USA defend against ICBMs coming in at speed of Mach 25 when they cannot even detect missiles at sub Mach or even know where the missiles came from despite overlapping coverage?

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And do not imagine there are only 260 Chinese nuclear warheads .

Allies of the country that nuke China will not go unpunished as well. Whether they could not stop USA or do not want to stop USA or USA do not want to listen to them will be irrelevant to China.

A nuked China will be very very weak. And China recalled the days where the British and French and Japan and USA came to carve her up when China was weak.
China will not allow that to happen again.

China will ensure those countries will be weaker than a nuked China,
or exist only in name after a nuked China

So please let peace prevail and it is irrelevant whether you think China only got 260 nukes
The lucky ones will be those that die in the first micro second.
Those still alive a year later will wish they gone at the very beginning.
And why the war fought or even started, no one will give a flying fuck as to the reasons.
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A simple calculation will show to you China ICBMs have collectively much greater throw weight of nukes, and coming into USA and USA bases and carrier locations and USA Allies via hypersonic delivery systems that cannot be intercepted.

Even so, China never ever threatened to use nukes. Other than if nuke used on China, China will retaliate and use nukes as well.

Unlike USA rednecks who threatened to use nukes for anything and everything like a spoiled child throwing tantrums, such as in raising this question.

So please be peaceful and respectful and more courtesy, and no more phony FONOPs and playing games of who will blink with China with phony FONOPs. Do not play with fire regarding Taiwan. AND DO NOT THREATEN TO NUKE CHINA.
 
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Chinese laser technology already way ahead of USA and is KING-ACE Globally. FBI stupid no big no small. Who want to steal out-dated poorer and more expensive junk USA technologies? Go fly kite!


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阅兵部队配备枪支上的全息瞄准器(红圈处)。
东南网宁德10月14日讯(本网记者 陈翊群)“教授,恭喜全息瞄准器参加阅兵式!”“恭喜教授!我们厦大人的骄傲!”“恭喜刘老,我们福安籍乡亲的骄傲!”……。虽然国庆70周年大阅兵已过去一周多,但厦门大学物理系教授、博导刘守的微信朋友圈仍然有来自五湖四海亲朋好友的祝福。国庆期间,刘教授接受本网记者采访时语重心长地说,“我们实验室(设计的全息瞄准器)终于在共和国的旗帜上有了一纳米的自豪!这一时刻是我们团队每一位成员的荣耀。”
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阅兵部队配备枪支上的全息瞄准器(红圈处)。图
刚刚过去的2019年天安门广场国庆大阅兵,场面空前,人民解放军阅兵方阵的钢铁洪流缓缓驶过天安门前的画面,相信在很多人脑海中仍记忆犹新。受阅部队新亮相的武器很多,其中高精尖装备也不少,实战部队战士的手中枪上的“激光全息瞄准器(镜)”是一亮点,它来自福建福安籍“厦门大学物理系”教授刘守团队设计。
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国庆阅兵截屏。
这个“相貌平平”却能在实际战场上发挥关键作用的“激光全息瞄准器”,它的设计背景怎样?原理如何?与国际领先的美国产全息瞄准器有何不同?国庆期间,记者在厦门大学物理系采访了刘守教授。
科研报国 他与激光全息技术结下不解之缘
刘守,1948年出生在福安县(旧时称呼,现为县级市)甘棠镇一个农民的家庭,生在新中国成立前夕,长在红旗下。如今年逾古稀依然神采奕奕,活跃于网球场上的争夺和实验室的研究中。
他1976年毕业于厦门大学物理系半导体专业,毕业后分配到武汉邮电科学研究院,在第四研究室与一起分配去的同学共同完成了HTL(高抗干扰双与非门集成电路)的研制工作。
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刘守留学时照片。受访者 供图
80年代初在北京邮电大学外籍院士徐大雄教授的指导下,进入“现代光学”专业学习,并且专门从事“激光全息术的研究及其应用”。
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刘守(中)在丹麦技术大学实验室工作照。受访者 供图
1986年导师徐大雄带刘守到丹麦技术大学物理系实验室,专攻“激光全息模压技术”。回国后与北邮几位老师在青岛政府的支持下,开办了我国第一家生产“激光模压产品”的公司。刘守任总工程师,带领10多位硕士和本科毕业生,开始了艰难的研发工作。经过日以继夜的奋战,一年后终于把这种原来在我国高校和相关科研单位10多年来只能一小块一小块做实验的全息图,以每分钟50多米的速度投放于市场,并且开拓了防伪、包装、装饰等领域的应用。现在中国已形成了一条可观的产业链。徐大雄院士曾对记者说:刘守现在被中国业界同仁尊称为“中国模压防伪全息图之父”。(《中国品牌与防伪》杂志第9期,2006年)
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刘守在聚精会神对比自己研发的全息瞄准器与美国产品。陈翊群 摄
1992年,刘守夫妻作为人才被厦门大学原校长林祖庚引进到厦大物理系工作。当时他妻子张向苏在英国获得博士学位并在做博士后。他们来到厦大的当年,就一起在物理系建立了具有国内一流水平的激光全息实验室。因此,在筹备、评估、审核厦大进入“211”“985”期间,时任物理系系主任后升任校长的陈传鸿说:刘守为厦大物理学科建设打下了“半壁江山”。
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刘守与该院副院长陈理想在交流自主研发产品与美国产品区别及细节。陈翊群 摄
1996年,刘守被破格晋升为教授、博士生导师,先后培养博士、硕士20多名。他的博士生毕业后基本上都在高校工作,有的在国外,在国内的目前大部分都已是教授、副教授;他的硕士生好几位在华为工作,目前都是该公司骨干。
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刘守(中)在实验室拿着枪瞄元件与该院副院长陈理想(右)、学生的学生(左)交流。陈翊群 摄
刘守团队完成了多项科研成果,曾获部、省级科技进步一、二、三等奖8项,发明奖3项。1993年一项成果在美国获得“国际最佳防伪全息图”奖(中央电视台专门报道);获发明专利20多项,实用新型专利20多项,先后在国内外发表论文140余篇。
上下求索 刘守侃侃而谈“中国智造”
“‘激光全息瞄准器’美军特种部队在上世纪90年代就开始使用,在国外一些战斗影片中也时有出现。作为一种新型瞄准器,激光全息瞄准器以其捕捉目标快速、准确,操作简单,隐蔽性好,能在恶劣环境下发挥可靠作用等功能,一直以来备受各国特种部队、武警的关注。但其制作专利是属于美国EOTech公司,”刘守滔滔不绝地介绍说。
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2012年5月23日于北京召开的“第六届中国国际警 用装备博览会”上,重庆建设工业集团展出的国产 CS-LS5-9毫米冲锋枪,装有刘守团队设计的全息瞄准器。受访者供图
“2000年后,我国相关单位也投入了研究,但基本上都是在仿制美国的技术,尤其是照抄他们的光学系统。然而有些技术还是仿不了,问题重重,出不了产品。这是我们后来了解到的情况,”刘守补充道,我们是2006年开始作为国防研究生(硕士)的学位论文才进入了这个课题的研究。后来在湖北、山东、重庆等军工厂的支持下,进入了实质性的研究工作。我们对自己提出目标:光学系统要创新,必须具备自主知识产权,实现低成本制作,同时保持“全息瞄准器”的所有优势。事实证明这很重要。当我们的全息瞄准器在美国枪展上出现时,FBI人员怀疑我们仿制美国技术,把我们的产品连人都带走了。后来经审查知道我们的产品完全是自己的技术,有自己的知识产权,很快就将人和产品都放了出来,继续参展。
我们产品的优势是:一个全息光学元件实现了激光束的准直、偏转、滤波三个功能,这使系统简化了;其次是系统元件之间数据匹配,实现自动补偿功能,从而解决了LD在使用过程中由于温度变化造成的波长漂移问题。刘守兴奋地说,美国这个问题的解决是在LD电源线路中下功夫,比我们的方法复杂得多。
这个项目看起来虽然很小,但整整研究了将近10年才获成功,获得8项发明专利。在研制过程中,得到总参轻武器研究所的支持以及相关兵工厂的大力配合,产品极具应用前景。
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针对刘守设计的产品在阅兵仪式亮相一事,在厦大物理系引起了强烈反响。厦门大学物理科学与技术学院副院长陈理想认为,这不是一朝一夕的成果,这是刘教授长期以来刻苦钻研,一步一个脚印、一次又一次对失败试验的积累总结,精益求精,勇攀科学高峰的最大认可。这也是我们身边一代又一代厦大人传承厦大“四种精神”的最好证明之一(“四种精神”即:陈嘉庚先生的爱国精神,罗扬才烈士的革命精神,抗战时期厦大内迁闽西艰苦办学的自强精神,以王亚南校长、陈景润教授为代表的科学精神)。
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刘守在做试验中。据悉,在刘守实验室,时常夜晚会看到他独自一人在做试验的身影。 陈翊群 摄
陈理想说,进入厦大工作十年左右,他经常看到已退休的刘教授在他对面的实验室(刘教授实验室)“加班”,深更半夜也经常看到刘教授熟悉的身影。“做科研实验的,特别是光波实验之类,怕声波振动波等,夜间比较静,各种干扰少。”陈理想如是说,刘教授年逾古稀,许多事情依旧亲力亲为,身体力行,对我们晚辈、同事来说是一种鼓舞激励。学院接下来要加强对刘教授事迹的宣传教育,更好地践行厦大人自强不息、奋发向上的“四种精神”。
“对于社会各界以及校方的点赞,对我们实验室每一位成员是鼓舞、是激励,更是责任。未来的时间,我们将尽全力做好传帮带工作。”刘守如是说。


The Chinese Defense Minister’s domineering speech is swiping. Who is warning?
The Chinese Defense Minister’s domineering speech is swiping. Who is warning?
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Original title: The anchor said that the broadcast | China's defense chief said that we are the only big country that has not achieved complete reunification.

Today is October 21st, the opening of the 9th Beijing Xiangshan Forum, "News Network" has been reported. State Councilor and Minister of National Defense Wei Feng and a domineering speech brushed the screen, how does Kang Hui think?
The anchor said the simulcast: Who is the Chinese Defense Minister’s domineering statement?

Kang Hui: The 9th Beijing Xiangshan Forum was opened today. President Xi Jinping sent a congratulatory letter and "News Network" has key reports.

At the forum, Wei Fenghe, State Councilor and Minister of National Defense, had a domineering speech and brushed the screen. He said that China is the only big country in the world that has not yet achieved complete reunification. Realizing the complete reunification of the motherland is the trend of the times, the righteousness of the righteousness, and the will of the people. It cannot be blocked by any people or forces. He also said that the South China Sea Islands, the Diaoyu Islands and their affiliated islands are China's inherent territory, and the land left by the ancestors cannot be lost.

In the recent past, we have noticed that there are always some people who try to use various small movements to split and make independence to shake the spirits and explore the bottom line. There are also some ulterior motives in individual countries, even at the expense of pressure on Chinese sanctions. purpose. Can the "big stick policy" and "long arm jurisdiction" work? The answer given by the Chinese Defense Minister is that the Chinese do not eat this set and are not afraid of this. We will never let the "Taiwan independence" elements take risks and will never sit idly by outside forces to intervene. The reunification of the motherland is the right path of the world, and splitting can only be a dead end.

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I found this image via twitter, in your opinion is this the product of GF geostationary earth observantion satellite? If the answer is yes, i think that chinese can in many circustances attack us carriers in south china sea with asbm and hypersonic weapons without many "kill chain arguments" in between.

They can run, but cannot hide.

And China got lots of very high flying drones above, and sea bed packed with listening devices, and lots of "fishing boats"

China will know at all times, every minute and every second, where the carriers are and what direction that they are going

And Mach 3-4 to Mach 10, and DF21Ds DF26Bs and DF17s and DF100s all lock and loaded.

ANGMOH NO MORE DUA DUA KEE



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[环球网军事报道 特约记者 杨铁虎]当地时间11月8日,俄罗斯国防部副部长阿列克谢·克里沃鲁奇科在阿穆尔河畔共青城对媒体表示,俄空天军将在2019年年底前接装首架量产型苏-57战机。
克里沃鲁奇科说,首架量产型苏-57实际上已经具备交付条件。年底前这架战机将交付给俄空天军。2020年,俄空天军还将再接装一架苏-57战机,然后将成倍扩大生产。
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克里沃鲁奇科表示,根据现有合同,俄空天军2028年前将接装76架苏-57战机。
苏-57是俄罗斯自行研发的第五代战斗机,2010年1月29日首飞,此前的项目代号为T-50,具有超音速巡航、高度隐形、超级机动性等特点。
2018年8月,俄罗斯国防部签署了在2020年前接收两架苏-57的合同,第一架苏-57定于今年交付部队。2019年6月,俄国防部在“军队-2019”国际军事技术论坛期间又签署合同,正式采购76架苏-57,计划装备俄空天军的3个航空团。(完)

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Russian Deputy Defense Minister confirmed: Air Force Army will pick up the first mass-produced Su 57 fighter before the end of the year.



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[Global Network Military Report Special Reporter Yang Tiehu] On November 8, local time, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivo Ruccico told the media in Komsomolsk on the Amur River that the Russian Air Force will be in 2019. The first mass-produced Su-57 fighter will be picked up before the end of the year.

Krivo Ruccico said that the first mass-produced Su-57 is actually ready for delivery. The aircraft will be delivered to the Russian Air Force before the end of the year. In 2020, the Russian Air Force will also pick up a Su-57 fighter, which will then double production.



Krivo Ruccico said that according to the existing contract, the Russian Air Force will pick up 76 Su-57 fighters by 2028.

Su-57 is the fifth-generation fighter developed by Russia itself. It flew for the first time on January 29, 2010. The previous project code was T-50, featuring supersonic cruise, high stealth and super maneuverability.

In August 2018, the Russian Ministry of Defence signed a contract to receive two Su-57s by 2020. The first Su-57 is scheduled to be delivered this year. In June 2019, the Russian Ministry of Defense signed a contract during the "Military-2019" International Military Technology Forum, officially purchasing 76 Su-57s, and plans to equip three air regimes of the Russian Air Force. (Finish)

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Watch insecure ABNN Modi dig out Rupees from his bleeding ass to pay for 50 SU-57.

PAK-FA / T-50 was developed using Indian funding, by Putin, before it became SU-57.

Reason why model changed to SU-57 is 57 = 35 + 22 which Russians said it is STRONGER N BETTER THAN USAF F-35 & F-22

ABNN Modi CANCELLED Purchase Orders for it initially, after Putin gave India 2 units of T-50 prototypes without documentation to teach Sh Neh how to build them! Ah Nehs got played out, Tu-Lan. But the programme agreement was Russia to develop it and give 2 units to Ah Nehs who paid many billions for this 5G stealth warplane project.

Putin told Ah Neh that contract is such that if Ah Nehs aborted the projects, there won't be discount for this model jets, according to the contract. Hence it will cost Ah Nehs 200‰ to 300% later to re-enter a new contract.

Now Xijinping got it means Ah Nehs will get terrible nightmare unless they buy lots of them, paying through their bleeding ass!

Huat Ah!
 

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Instead of actually fighting the Chinese if they invade Taiwan why doesn't the United States just nuke them if China invades Taiwan?




Is it the concern of any country with regards to China and Taiwan?
What right do any country to intervene or to talk of intervening between China and Taiwan?
You seriously think China can be nuked just like that?
That China got only about 200 nukes and cannot deliver the nukes to USA?
And that you can gloat over a nuked China and laugh at the nuked Chinese?
When China was still almost in stone age condition in 1960s, China still developed the Hydrogen Bomb 3.3 Mtons just 32 months in June 1967 after China first fission bomb. China was using teams of Chinese working away at abacus as they had no computers or even electronic calculators then.

We all know China is a lot more advanced since the mid 60s.

US intelligence projection made late in the 1960s that China would have 435 nuclear weapons by 1973.
Karber’s report mentioned that “PRC data in 1995 gave the figure at 2,350.”

We all know China is a lot more advanced since 1995.

Why You Should Fear China's Nuclear Weapons
Try to read and know of the China Great Underground Wall. China’s complex tunnel system, which stretches 5,000 km (3,000 miles). Do you think that Great Underground Wall of 5000 km hide only 200 nukes?
The report determined that the stated Chinese nuclear arsenal is understated and as many as 3,000 nuclear warheads may be stored in the tunnel network
Underground Great Wall of China - Wikipedia

And remember the DF5s and DF31AG as well. About 100 or more of them, mirving 10 nukes or more.
China has at least three brigades of DF-5 missiles. Assuming all three brigades have been modernized, that's 360 thermonuclear warheads with a half-megaton on each warhead.

3 brigades DF-5B ICBM x 12 missiles per brigade x 10 MIRVs per missile = 360 thermonuclear warheads carried on DF-5B ICBMs
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DF-5B got throw weight of 5,000 kgs
In 2017, China successfully completed tests of DF-5C. Presumably with greater throw weight and greater accuracy in targetting.

7 brigades DF-31A ICBM (since 2007 introduction and adding one brigade per year) x 12 missiles per brigade x 3 MIRVs = 252 thermonuclear warheads carried on DF-31A ICBMs (assuming NO RELOAD missile per TEL; if you assume ONE reload missile per TEL then you double the number of warheads to 504 thermonuclear warheads).
Since then, China tested and got operational DF31AG and DF31B. Obviously able to throw more warheads than the DF31A. The DF31s are solid fuel and can fire within 3 to 5 minutes.

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And the H-6K bombers. H-6K can carry up to six YJ-12 and 6-7 ALCMs; and air launched missiles (CH-AS-X-13)
As at 2015, there are 15 numbers of H-6Ks, and 150 numbers of assorted H-6s.
Using just H-6Ks, there will be need for 15X10 , or 150 thermonuclear bombs.
2015 is 5 years ago. You can be sure there will be even more numbers of H-6K, and even more advanced bombers being build by China.

DF-41 - Wikipedia
The Dong Feng 41 (CSS-X-10) is a road- and rail-mobile intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM). The DF-41 completed all testing stages and deployed in the People’s Republic of China (PRC) since 2017. It is estimated to have an operational range of 12,000 to 15,000 km, which would make it the longest range missile in operation. It will likely have a top speed of Mach 25 and will be capable of delivering up to 10 MIRVed warheads. Throw weight of DF-41 is 2,500 kg.
The DF-41 is a three-stage solid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missile reported to have a maximum range of up to 15,000 kilometers (more than 9320 miles) and a top speed of Mach 25 (19,030 mph). It is said to be capable of carrying up to 10 multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRVs). Its launch preparation time is estimated to be between 3 to 5 minutes.

This would make the DF-41 the world's longest range missile, surpassing the range of the US LGM-30 Minuteman which has a reported range of 13,000 km. Throw weight of LGM-30 is only 1000kg or just 3 numbers of 170kton nukes. USA UGM-133 Trident II throw weight is only 2,800 kg.

As by Jan 2017, Chinese media have reported the deployment of three brigades of DF-41 ICBMs. There is photographic evidence of a possible fourth brigade of DF-41 ICBMs on the Tibetan plateau. However, we have only counted the number of DF-41 ICBM TELs (ie. Transporter Erector Launcher), or 4 X 12 TELs
It is inefficient to fire only one ballistic missile per launcher. It is more logical to fire two ballistic missiles per launcher. This process is called re-loading. A DF-41 TEL can either be re-loaded with another DF-41 ICBM missile nearby or the DF-41 TEL can drive to a hidden re-supply location for another DF-41 ICBM.
If you accept that China has one re-load missile for each DF-41 TEL then the total number of Chinese DF-41 ICBMs has to be doubled.
Four brigades of DF-41 ICBMs (Heilongjiang, Henan, Xinjiang, and Tibet Provinces) with one re-load per DF-41 TEL yields 96 total DF-41 ICBMs.

How many brigades of DF-41 since 2017 number of 4 brigades?
6 Brigades or 8 Brigades?

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Expert: DF-41 among most advanced missiles in the world

If China got only 260 thermonukes like what everyone is saying and hoping, the surplus warheads will be delivering dim sum and tea bags and cleaned pressed laundry from Chinese laundrymen.
Please remember DF-41 got a very big brother coming up as well in case you think DF-41 not worthy enough to deliver dim sum and tea bags and cleaned laundry.
Russia’s RS-28 “Sarmat” ten-ton payload, rated as the most dangerous ICBM . Reportedly it may carry up to fifteen 350 kiloton warheads, or up to twenty-four of the new “Avangard” nuclear-armed Hypersonic Glide Vehicle (HGV) warheads. Sarmat will be dwarfed by Chinese new missile with even larger twenty-ton payload. That will be solid-fuel space-launch vehicle (SLV), and could form the basis for what might become the world’s largest “mobile” ICBM.


The Next China Military Threat: The World's Biggest Mobile ICBM?

And the JL3, on Chinese subs. JL3 navalised version of DF-41. There will be 8 number of Type 094 subs by 2020 (6 now) . And China building 6 numbers of Type 096 simultaneously, equivalent or better than Ohio, each will carry 24 JL-3.

You still feeling lucky?

SSBNs
Type 094 Jin Class SSBN

Currently 6 of type 094 but projected to be 8 in years to come.
Carrying 12 numbers of JL-2, mirving 3–4 thermonuclear warheads.
Or 288 nuclear warheads

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Type 096 Tang Class SSBN
This is similar to Ohio Class
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Carrying 24 JL-3 missiles , each mirving 5–7 warheads.
Currently, 6 numbers of 096 SSBNs are being build simultaneously.
Using 6x24x5, we have 720 thermonuclear warheads.
Or at least 1000 nukes can be delivered by China.
Or the warheads delivered are empty.
More likely than not, China got about 2000 to 3000 numbers of plutonium/U235 cores , together with assemblies of 2000 to 3000 thermonukes. Without the cores inserted and thereby making them a thermonuclear bomb, China got no nukes.
But if the situation is very dangerous, those 2000 to 3000 cores can be inserted in a matter of days into the 2000 to 3000 assemblies.
If China is ever turned into a nuclear wasteland, those that send nukes into China will be nuked into glowing and molten multicolored wasteland.


China promised never to use the first nuke. But if just one nuke land on China or her forces,

ALL THE USA BASES FROM EUROPE, DIEGO GARCIA , SINGAPORE . JAPAN AND USA HERSELF WILL BE SEAS AND LAKES OF MOLTEN MULTI COLOR GLASS.
None of the USA carriers will be spared.
The carriers will be taken out with nukes even if the carriers hide in Frisco Bay or in the Atlantic Ocean or any other ocean.


And as demonstrated so clearly in KSA a few days ago, the Aegis and Patriot systems defending Saudi a joke as the Aegis and Patriot cannot even detect a few sub Mach cruise missiles not to talk of taking them down. Even to now, no one sure where those came from and who flown them. Despite overlapping coverage of those Patriot and Aegis systems.
New sales pitch? US makes the world’s ‘finest’ anti-air systems, but sometimes they just don’t work, Pompeo explains
Saudi air defenses like Patriot & Aegis don’t match their advertised properties, unfit for real combat – Russian Army (MAP)
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How will the Aegis defend against 300–400++ Mach 3s AShMs aimed at each Murican CAGs???

How will the Patriot systems in USA defend against ICBMs coming in at speed of Mach 25 when they cannot even detect missiles at sub Mach or even know where the missiles came from despite overlapping coverage?

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And do not imagine there are only 260 Chinese nuclear warheads .

Allies of the country that nuke China will not go unpunished as well. Whether they could not stop USA or do not want to stop USA or USA do not want to listen to them will be irrelevant to China.

A nuked China will be very very weak. And China recalled the days where the British and French and Japan and USA came to carve her up when China was weak.
China will not allow that to happen again.

China will ensure those countries will be weaker than a nuked China,
or exist only in name after a nuked China

So please let peace prevail and it is irrelevant whether you think China only got 260 nukes
The lucky ones will be those that die in the first micro second.
Those still alive a year later will wish they gone at the very beginning.
And why the war fought or even started, no one will give a flying fuck as to the reasons.
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A simple calculation will show to you China ICBMs have collectively much greater throw weight of nukes, and coming into USA and USA bases and carrier locations and USA Allies via hypersonic delivery systems that cannot be intercepted.

Even so, China never ever threatened to use nukes. Other than if nuke used on China, China will retaliate and use nukes as well.

Unlike USA rednecks who threatened to use nukes for anything and everything like a spoiled child throwing tantrums, such as in raising this question.

So please be peaceful and respectful and more courtesy, and no more phony FONOPs and playing games of who will blink with China with phony FONOPs. Do not play with fire regarding Taiwan. AND DO NOT THREATEN TO NUKE CHINA.


I never get this.

How come ang moh morons believe, or propagate this false belief, that Tiongs who are the world's factory and who built hydrogen bomb some five decades ago still got only 260 nukes?

WTF!

Even Norkies or Jews could do better.

Tiongkok with 1.4 billion people must have had at least 1,000 nukes if not more.

If the nonexisting Soviets could field more than 20k nukes and so did the USA in the past, what prevents Tiongs from upping the ante?

It's a joke, really. Who the hell came up with this nonsense in the first place?

I have no doubt that any moronic yankee president who dares to nuke tiongkok will invite nuclear retaliation on yankee homeland.

And so will yankee allies be nuked because as that reply explains, Tiongs have no patience or tolerance for yankee poodles - which includes stinkypore today, thanks in no small part to ah loong. Tiongs, rightly so, will not allow bystanding yankee poodles to get stronger after tiongkok is nuked so that they can lord over tiongs.
 

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I never get this.

How come ang moh morons believe, or propagate this false belief, that Tiongs who are the world's factory and who built hydrogen bomb some five decades ago still got only 260 nukes?

WTF!

Even Norkies or Jews could do better.

Tiongkok with 1.4 billion people must have had at least 1,000 nukes if not more.

If the nonexisting Soviets could field more than 20k nukes and so did the USA in the past, what prevents Tiongs from upping the ante?

It's a joke, really. Who the hell came up with this nonsense in the first place?

I have no doubt that any moronic yankee president who dares to nuke tiongkok will invite nuclear retaliation on yankee homeland.

And so will yankee allies be nuked because as that reply explains, Tiongs have no patience or tolerance for yankee poodles - which includes stinkypore today, thanks in no small part to ah loong. Tiongs, rightly so, will not allow bystanding yankee poodles to get stronger after tiongkok is nuked so that they can lord over tiongs.



If you want war with China, then go and do that.
If war is not going to be nuclear and just naval battle, this will be the shape of that war.
Quora User's answer to What would a naval war between China and the U.S. look like?
Which in all likelihood, lead to a nuclear war.
And if you think China got 260 nukes, think again.
Read below as to the nukes China is likely to have.
Wuming Chan's answer to Could China's 200 nukes realistically kill more than 50% of the US population in a nuclear war?
Wuming Chan's answer to Given that China has thousands of kilometres of "underground nuclear wall", is it credible that it has only 270 warheads?
China already got the world most deadly ICBM the DF-41 . Wuming Chan's answer to Which missile can be considered as the world's most dangerous Intercontinental Ballistic missile (ICBM) ?
The DF-41 is a three-stage solid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missile reported to have a maximum range of up to 15,000 kilometers (more than 9320 miles) and a top speed of Mach 25 (19,030 mph). It is said to be capable of carrying up to 10 multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRVs). Its launch preparation time is estimated to be between 3 to 5 minutes.
China has at least 100 DF-41s, operational and organised in 4 Brigades.
As by Jan 2017, Chinese media have reported the deployment of three brigades of DF-41 ICBMs. There is photographic evidence of a possible fourth brigade of DF-41 ICBMs on the Tibetan plateau. However, we have only counted the number of DF-41 ICBM TELs (ie. Transporter Erector Launcher).

Then also consider that while China got 200 ++ nukes as so claimed, there is also a strong possibility China got 2000 to 3000 U235/Pu cores AND 2000-3000 assemblies.
Without the cores inserted, no nukes, or just 200++ nukes. But in time of crisis, China can insert those 2 to 3000 cores into the assemblies in a matter of days. That the warheads delivered be sending more than just dim sum or General Tso sweet and sour chicken or cleaned pressed laundry.

So please, let there be peace.
No one will give a flying fuck as to why the many suns be shining on Earth or why that started.
 

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Who wants to conquer China? It does not have an abundance of natural resources. Just lots and lots of people.

And people are a PROBLEM!

So no. Nobody will go to war (military) with China to conquer China.

But they will fight to get money from China.
 

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下午4时许,交接入列仪式开始,全场高唱中华人民共和国国歌,五星红旗冉冉升起。仪仗礼兵护卫着八一军旗、命名证书,正步行进到主席台前。习近平将八一军旗、命名证书分别授予山东舰舰长、政治委员。山东舰舰长、政治委员向习近平敬礼,从习近平手中接过八一军旗、命名证书。习近平同他们合影留念。交接入列仪式在中国人民解放军军歌声中结束。
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12月17日,我国第一艘国产航空母舰山东舰在海南三亚某军港交付海军。中共中央总书记、国家主席、中央军委主席习近平出席交接入列仪式并登舰视察。这是仪式结束后,习近平登上山东舰,检阅仪仗队。 新华社记者 李刚 摄
随后,习近平登上山东舰,检阅仪仗队。习近平察看有关装备,了解舰载机飞行员工作生活情况。习近平前往驾驶室,同官兵亲切交流,在航泊日志上郑重签名。
习近平在码头接见了航母部队官兵代表和航母建设单位代表。习近平对我国航母建设取得的成绩表示肯定,勉励他们再接再厉,为党和人民再立新功。
丁薛祥、刘鹤、何立峰,以及李作成出席仪式。张又侠主持仪式,宣布我国第一艘国产航母交接入列和舰名、舷号。
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12月17日,我国第一艘国产航空母舰山东舰在海南三亚某军港交付海军。中共中央总书记、国家主席、中央军委主席习近平出席交接入列仪式并登舰视察。这是习近平亲切接见航母部队官兵代表和航母建设单位代表。 新华社记者 李刚 摄
中国船舶集团有限公司董事长雷凡培、海军司令员沈金龙在仪式上先后发言。
经中央军委批准,我国第一艘国产航母命名为“中国人民解放军海军山东舰”,舷号为“17”。
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China's first domestic aircraft carrier delivered to navy Xi Jinping attends handover ceremony
2019-12-17 18:14:30 Source: Xinhuanet


Xinhua News Agency, Sanya, December 17 (Reporter Li Xuanliang, Li Yun) China's first domestic aircraft carrier Shandong ship was delivered to the Navy at a military port in Sanya, Hainan on the afternoon of the 17th. Xi Jinping, General Secretary of the CPC Central Committee, State President, and Chairman of the Central Military Commission attended the ceremony.



On December 17, China's first domestic aircraft carrier Shandong ship was delivered to the Navy at a military port in Sanya, Hainan. Xi Jinping, General Secretary of the CPC Central Committee, State President, and Chairman of the Central Military Commission attended the handover ceremony and boarded the ship for inspection. This is Xi Jinping's award of a banner and naming certificate to the naval receiving unit. Photo by Xinhua News Agency reporter Li Gang

三 Sanya, on the coast of the South China Sea, is full of water and clear sky. In the naval port, Shandong Ship Fubo was lying quietly and full of flags were flying high. About 5,000 representatives from the naval forces and aircraft carrier construction units were neatly lined up at the dock, and the atmosphere was grand and warm.

4 At 4 pm, the handover ceremony began, the audience sang the national anthem of the People's Republic of China, and the five-star red flag rose. Ceremonial ceremonies guarding the Bayi Army banner and naming certificate are walking to the podium. Xi Jinping awarded the Bayi flag and the naming certificate to the captain and political commissar of Shandong Ship, respectively. The captain and political commissar of the Shandong Ship saluted Xi Jinping, and received the Bayi flag and naming certificate from Xi Jinping. Xi Jinping took a group photo with them. The handover ceremony was concluded in the singing of the Chinese People's Liberation Army.



On December 17, China's first domestic aircraft carrier Shandong ship was delivered to the Navy at a military port in Sanya, Hainan. Xi Jinping, General Secretary of the CPC Central Committee, State President, and Chairman of the Central Military Commission attended the handover ceremony and boarded the ship for inspection. After the ceremony, Xi Jinping boarded the Shandong ship and inspected the guard of honor. Photo by Xinhua News Agency reporter Li Gang

Subsequently, Xi Jinping boarded the Shandong ship and inspected the guard of honor. Xi Jinping inspected the relevant equipment and understood the working and living conditions of the carrier-based pilots. Xi Jinping headed to the bridge, exchanged cordially with officers and men, and solemnly signed on the berth log.

Xi Jinping met with representatives of officers and soldiers of aircraft carrier forces and representatives of aircraft carrier construction units at the terminal. Xi Jinping affirmed the achievements of China's aircraft carrier construction and encouraged them to make persistent efforts and make new contributions to the party and the people.

Xi Ding Xuexiang, Liu He, He Lifeng, and Li Zuocheng attended the ceremony. Zhang Youxia presided over the ceremony, announcing that China's first domestic aircraft carrier was handed in, and the ship name and port number.



On December 17, China's first domestic aircraft carrier Shandong ship was delivered to the Navy at a military port in Sanya, Hainan. Xi Jinping, General Secretary of the CPC Central Committee, State President, and Chairman of the Central Military Commission attended the handover ceremony and boarded the ship for inspection. This is Xi Jinping's cordial meeting with representatives of the aircraft carrier forces officers and soldiers and aircraft carrier construction units. Photo by Xinhua News Agency reporter Li Gang

董事长 Lei Fanpei, chairman of China Shipbuilding Corporation, and Shen Jinlong, commander of the navy, spoke at the ceremony.

With the approval of the Central Military Commission, China's first domestically-made aircraft carrier was named "Shandong Ship of the Navy of the Chinese People's Liberation Army", and its port number was "17".

参加 Responsible comrades from the relevant departments of the central and state organs, the relevant departments of the military commission organs, the southern theater, the navy, Hainan Province, and the aircraft carrier construction unit attended the ceremony.


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As Obsolete as a Battleship: Why Is the U.S. Navy Still Building Aircraft Carriers?
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Sound policy will also require overcoming resistance to replacing manned subs with all manner of unmanned underwater vessels — from the very small to large-displacement unmanned vehicles.
“History,” it has been written, “does not repeat itself, but it rhymes.” Today it’s rhyming with Gen. Billy Mitchell. In the 1920s, Mitchell challenged conventional thinking by advocating air power at sea in the face of a naval establishment dominated by battleship proponents.
(This first appeared several years ago and is being reposted due to recent reader interest.)
The hubris of the “battleship Navy” was such that just nine days before Pearl Harbor, the official program for the 1941 Army-Navy game displayed a full page photograph of the battleship USS Arizona with language virtually extolling its invincibility.
Of course, the reason that no one had yet sunk a battleship from the air — in combat — was that no one had yet tried.
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In fact, Mitchell sank a captured German battleship, the Ostfriesland, in an aerial demonstration back in 1921, but the Navy said that the test proved nothing. Two of the observers that day were officials from Japan.
In addition, the architect of the Pearl Harbor attack, Isoroku Yamamoto, was a student at Harvard at the time and no doubt read accounts of the event that were widely reported in the newspapers.
The aircraft carrier decisively replaced the battleship as the Navy’s sea control capital ship, but its reign in that capacity was, in reality, quite brief. The aircraft carrier established its ascendancy in the Battle of Midway and was the centerpiece of five major sea battles between 1942 and 1944.
Yet, following the Battle of Leyte Gulf in 1944, the U.S. Navy repositioned the aircraft carrier as a platform to project power ashore. The United States did not lose a fleet carrier in the war after the Hornet went down in 1942, because Japan’s surface fleet had been devastated. Nor did Tokyo effectively use its submarines.
That track record, just as the boast in the Army/Navy game program, however, is not an indication that a carrier cannot be sunk — or put out of commission — but rather the fact that since 1945, the U.S. Navy has never engaged another navy in battle that tried.
“Projecting the past into the future is risky business — especially when we’re unsure what that past was,” James Holmes, a naval warfare expert at the U.S. Naval War College wrote.
Which brings us to today. The U.S. Navy has fallen into a troubling pattern of designing and acquiring new classes of ships that would arguably best be left as single ship — or at most in limited numbers. It’s also building several types of new aircraft that fail to meet specifications.
The Navy is developing a new class of supercarriers that cannot function properly, and has designed them to launch F-35 fighters that are not ready to fly their missions. This is all happening during an era of out-of-control budgets, which bodes poorly for American sea power and leadership ahead.
That the Navy is concentrating larger percentages of its total force structure on large, high signature and increasingly vulnerable ships endangers America’s future. Fortunately, there’s better options to the status quo if the Navy moves now.
Too expensive
Before asking whether it makes sense to continue to invest in aircraft carriers, we must ask the question whether we can afford them.
The Pentagon commissioned the USS George H.W. Bush in 2009 at a cost of $6.1 billion. America’s most recent aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald R. Ford, will cost more than double that in constant dollars. The carriers’ air wings cost about 70 percent again the cost of the ship itself.
In an era when personnel costs — including healthcare and pensions — are consuming the military from within, the fact that these craft require 46 percent of the Navy’s personnel to man and support places them in the crosshairs in an extreme budget-constrained environment.
The Center for Budgetary and Strategic Assessments stated that being the most expensive piece of military equipment in the world makes “them a prime — and perhaps even a necessary target — in this era of belt tightening.”
If 11 carriers — as required by legislation — is the minimal number required to have an effective supercarrier force, then carrier proponents are hoist upon their own petard.
“If our fleet of small numbers is so fragile that it cannot afford the loss of a single ship due to budgeting, how will it survive the inevitable losses of combat?” Commander Phillip E. Pournelle wrote in Proceedings.
That day has already come. As of early 2014, the Navy only has 10 operational supercarriers. Sequestration delayed the deployment of the Harry S. Trumanand has the Navy scrambling to come up with funds to refuel the Abraham Lincoln, raising the question whether the latter will ever come back into service.
It appears dubious that the Ford will have overcome major development issues to come into service in 2016.
Furthermore, if sequestration persists, the Navy might have to mothball four of nine air wings, making the discussion of 11 carrier platforms moot. Due to these substantial constraints, the Congressional Budget Office and former Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel both floated the possibility of the Navy going down to as few as eight supercarriers.
The Navy, like the other services, has proven itself incapable of running an effective weapons acquisition program in recent decades. Instead, the services pay increasingly more money for progressively fewer units that often fail to meet original specifications.
The current shipbuilding plan calls for the Navy to have 306 ships while the actual number has dwindled 285. The CBO recently concluded that there is approximately a 30 percent gap between what the Navy would require to meet its shipbuilding plan and what it will likely obtain through the appropriation process.
The Navy’s own acquisitions chief recently told Congress that given the current trends and budget outlook, the Navy could slip to as few as 240 shipsin the next several decades.
The commitment to aircraft carriers is literally cannibalizing the rest of the Navy and simultaneously interfering with its ability to meet emerging requirements and threats.
Work began in 2005 on the Ford at an estimated procurement cost of $10.5 billion, which later increased to $12.8 and most recently to $14.2 billion and rising. Unfortunately, as the General Accountability Office noted in a recent report — issued when the Ford was 56 percent complete — that “our previous work has shown that the full extent of cost growth does not usually manifest itself until after the ship is more than 60 percent complete.”
Stating that the “plan may prove unexecutable,” the GAO added that the Fordwill be unlikely to fill the gap created by the scheduled decommissioning of the Enterprise. Worse, the Ford would “likely face operational limitations that extend past commissioning and into initial deployments.”
The already stretched multi-year procurement budget assumes that the Navy will spend $43 billion to procure the Ford and two other carriers of this class at the pace of one every five years, which does not include any additional cost overruns.
Unfortunately, cost estimates for the F-35Cs slated to fly off the Ford’s decks have almost doubled while performance concerns continue to mount.
Calling the Navy estimates “optimistic,” the GAO exhorted the service to “improve the realism” of the budget projections. Meanwhile the CBO has floated various options including canceling future procurement of Ford-class carriers. The Navy is currently trying to shift part of the funding for completion until after delivery of the first ship in an apparent attempt to obscure the extent of the overruns.
The surface fleet procurement program has suffered a massive disconnect between emerging capabilities and system design. Naval Operations chief Adm. Jonathan Greenert discussed the revolution in precision-weaponry such that “instead of sorties per aimpoint, we now commonly speak of aimpoints per sortie.”
But instead of leveraging this massive improvement in precision weapons, the Ford-class carriers were designed prior to his tenure and the costs have driven through the roof. This was in order to include new, untested technologies that dramatically increased the number of sorties that could be launched even though the performance ratios were going dramatically in the opposite direction.
Vulnerable to attack
The economies of scale that favored the carrier as a force projection instrument were made possible by the ability of such behemoths to operate close to shore with impunity. That age is drawing to a close.
The famed Adm. Horatio Nelson observed that “a ship’s a fool to fight a fort.” In the new age that is dawning, the “fort” is an increasingly sophisticated range of over-the-horizon anti-ship missiles that render surface ships vulnerable, and which will deny them proximity to the coastlines where U.S. carriers have reigned for decades.
These include ballistic missiles fired from a wide range of platforms, including easy to conceal mobile launchers. In a sweeping 2013 paper on the carrier’s future, Navy Capt. Henry Hendrix estimated China could produce 1,227 DF-21D ballistic anti-ship missiles for the cost of a single U.S. carrier.
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Although one missile might not sink a carrier, a single missile might cause sufficient damage to take it out of commission.
Further, the radar signature of a 100,000-ton ship is very large and the sensors used on the carrier’s current defense systems only increase that signature.
In such an attack, the fleet must be able to defend against a large number of incoming weapons approaching on evasive trajectories at greater than twice the speed of sound, while the attacker needs to only score a few hits. These new anti-ship missiles “put U.S. forces on the wrong side of physics,” the U.S. Naval War College’s Andrew Erickson warned.
Emerging anti-ship technology also places the aircraft carrier on the wrong side of basic arithmetic.
In its capacity as a force projection platform, the carrier operates by launching various types of attack and tactical fighter aircraft from its decks. The unrefueled radius of the Navy’s current F/A-18E Super Hornet falls within 390–450 nautical miles. The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter will have an unrefueled combat radius of 730 nautical miles.
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The Department of Defense, however, estimates that the range of the DF-21D anti-ship missile to be 1,500–1,750 nautical miles and some speculate the range to be greater.
Recognizing the fact that these numbers will require placing the carrier strike groups well outside of their range, former Naval War College Dean Robert Rubel observed that “a successful defense of a carrier does no good if the carrier cannot in turn succeed in attacking enemy naval forces.”
Although a sustained attack from land-based ballistic missiles would be more than a challenge for the Navy’s current “hard kill” defense systems, the situation is potentially more serious.
The Navy’s plan to disrupt ballistic missile command-and-control systems with electronic measures would be inhibited by the same “range” arithmetic that keeps such craft far from shore.
“Even more ominous,” military analyst Robert Haddick wrote, “are the squadrons of maritime strike fighters capable of launching scores of long-range, high-speed anti-ship cruise missiles, in volumes that threaten to overwhelm the most modern fleet defenses.”
A reality-check exercise would be to conduct a theoretical battle with the rapidly developing People’s Liberation Army Navy. The Chinese have around 100 fast missile boats — primarily of the Hubei class with stealth catamaran hulls — that carry eight anti-ship cruise missiles with current ranges of 160 nautical miles.
A coordinated attack would also likely include aircraft and Sovremenny-class destroyers and, in the next decade, an estimated 75–80 submarines — both nuclear and diesel — armed with torpedoes and some with wave skimming, supersonic anti-ship missiles supplied by or copied from advanced Russian models.
Russia has been developing sea- and bomber-launched anti-ship missiles for decades. Russia is also a major arms merchant, making these anti-access systems potentially among its most attractive wares. In addition, those that are not purchased could also be reverse-engineered. Iran has, for obvious reasons, a very strong interest in and an unknown arsenal of such weapons.
As the costs of these weapons come down, the rate of proliferation will increase and place this technology in the hands of smaller states and potentially non-state groups. With such proliferation, the latitude of carrier task groups to own the coastlines along which they wish to operate in a power projection role will evaporate.
A troubling sign of things to come is a Russian firm that is reportedly selling a “Club-K” cruise missile concealable in shipping containers deployable on trucks, rail cars or merchant ships.
Although the saliency of this issue is now greater due to rapid advances in capabilities, there is nothing new in the vulnerability of aircraft carriers in specific and surface ships in general. Like the battleship admirals prior to Pearl Harbor, carrier advocates take solace from an unblemished record resulting from “the Cold War [having] ended without a Leyte Gulf,” Holmes noted.
A U.S. carrier group only came face-to-face with a Russian carrier task force during the Cold War once. During the tensions surrounding the Yom Kippur war, the presence of a “locally superior Russian force” resulted in the American ships having to reposition further west in the Mediterranean.
Soviet Adm. Sergei Gorchakov reportedly held the view that the U.S. had made a strategic miscalculation by relying on large and increasingly vulnerable aircraft carriers. The influential U.S. Adm. Hyman Rickover shared this view. In a 1982 congressional hearing, legislators asked him how long American carriers would survive in an actual war.
Rickover’s response? “Forty-eight hours,” he said.
Now let’s take a look at the unofficial record derived from war games. In 2002, the U.S. Navy held a large simulated war game, the Millennium Challenge, to test scenarios of attacks on the fleet by a hypothetical Gulf state — Iraq or possibly Iran.
The leader of the red team employed brilliant asymmetric tactics resulting in 16 U.S. ships, including two supercarriers, going to the bottom in a very short span of time. The Navy stopped the war game, prohibited the red team from using these tactics and then reran the exercise declaring victory on the second day.
As with Billy Mitchell and the Ostfriesland, according to the Navy the sinkings never happened. But, as Robert Gates noted in his memoirs, “the enemy always gets a vote.”
Ballistic missiles are just the most recent challenge to carrier vulnerability. “I would argue that you can put a ship out of action faster by putting a hole in the bottom [with a torpedo] than by putting a hole in the top [with a weapon like the DF-21],” former U.S. Naval Operations chief Gary Roughhead said.
This extends to diesel submarines. Although the number of simulated “sinkings” by ships of the Navy is officially unacknowledged, there are reports of around a dozen U.S. aircraft carriers being “sunk” in exercises with friendly countries including Canada, Denmark and Chile.
In 2005, the USS Ronald Reagan was “sunk” by the Gotland, an electric diesel sub that the U.S. Navy borrowed from Sweden between 2005 and 2007 and which was never detected in exercises by U.S. carrier groups during all that time.
Although it’s true that the Soviets and the Americans never faced off in an actual naval battle, there is every reason to believe that they would have had some success against the “invulnerable” carriers. As far back as 1968, a fast nuclear powered Russian submarine matched the Enterprise at top speed in the Pacific.
In 1995, Israeli Adm. Yedidia Ya’ri wrote in the 2005 Naval War College Review that the Russian SS-N-22 “Muskit” anti-ship missile “can probably penetrate any existing defense system, hard or soft-kill, especially when launched in salvos.”
In 2012, test of a slower and higher-flying surrogate of the Muski missile demonstrated that “the Aegis system could not be relied on for effective defense of itself or the aircraft carriers it was escorting,” Winslow Wheeler of the Straus Military Reform Project noted.
One carrier, the USS Kitty Hawk, used up three of its nine lives having been run into by an undetected Soviet sub in 1984, overflown by two undetected Russian planes — an Su-24 and an Su-27 — in 2000, and surprised by a Chinese Song-class attack submarine that surfaced undetected inside its perimeter and within torpedo range in 2006.
In March of this year, the French Navy reported that it had sunk the USSTheodore Roosevelt and half of its escorts in a war game, but hurriedly removed that information from its website.
The world, of course, is not standing still. Missile ranges and speeds will increase. Missiles will become more elusive and accurate — and could be nuclear-tipped. Sensors will see further and more accurately, significantly reducing the fog of war. Surface ships, no matter where located, will be increasingly vulnerable.
Supercavitating torpedoes — such as the Russian Shkval — already travel at 200 knots and can track ships for more than 1,000 kilometers. Above the surface, supersonic anti-ship missiles that currently travel at Mach 2 will be replaced by hypersonic missiles that will travel at Mach 5, and Mach 10 and Mach 25.
And well above the surface, newer electronic warfare weapons will reach into space and attack satellites and communications on which the modern information awareness of battle depends.
The future is drones and submarines
The modern aircraft carrier strike group stands at the very pinnacle in the history of warfare in terms of conventional lethality and sophistication. Unfortunately, in the modern context it resembles a Rube Goldberg device — the most complicated system that can be devised to perform a mission.
In order to deliver firepower on a target, the U.S. Navy fields an increasing unaffordable supercarrier which must be escorted by one Aegis cruiser, two destroyers, a nuclear attack submarine and a combined strike force crew of more than 6,000 to carry and launch an air wing of increasingly unaffordable airplanes with inadequate range.
The supercarrier requires an exponential and compounding set of very expensive investments. The total acquisition cost of a carrier strike group exceeds $25 billion, an air wing another $10 billion and the annual operating costs of perhaps $1 billion.
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Yet, a cruise missile fired from a wide range of lower signature ships costs less than a third of each bomb delivered by a fighter from the deck of a carrier. Nor do these platforms require a carrier’s defensive shield — and they can launch from beyond the range of carrier-based aircraft.
In another time, the battles of Crecy and Agincourt signaled the end of the age of the armored knight who could be defeated from a distance with advanced, low cost, armor-piercing arrows. The age of the cavalry ended with advances in artillery, mechanized armor and the machine gun in World War I.
A similar shift is occurring now and will displace the modern equivalent of the dashing cavalry officer — the fighter pilot. The knight class never passes willingly — as they take justifiable pride in their acumen and truly believe in their mission. However, the carrier and its air wing cannot be allowed to drive strategy or procurement.
Nonetheless, the U.S. Navy continues to pursue the next generation of fighter, the F-35C, and the next two Ford-class carriers to launch them in spite of an explosion of costs and questions about performance, including its stealthiness.
In what seems like a perversion of logic, the air-Navy “union” has even proposed using some of the new unmanned systems being developed by the Navy, not to replace the fighter, but as an aerial refueling tanker to try to keep the manned aircraft relevant.
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USNI News has also reported that the Navy plans to reduce the UCLASS drone to perform only surveillance functions in order to preserve manned fighters. More Rube Goldberg. It’s in no way to dishonor the bravery and skill of fighter pilots to recognize the facts of physiology and physics. Unmanned vehicles and missiles can operate at speeds and turn radiuses that are impossible for a human to withstand.
With the pilot no longer in the equation, the vehicles can also achieve greater stealth. Unmanned craft and missiles cost dramatically less and remove the loss of the pilot from the equation, thus opening up an entire range of strike options than would otherwise be unavailable or suicidal.
Although TV viewers were in awe of images of precision weapons during Desert Storm, precision guided munitions had improved in effectiveness by 12 to 20 fold by the time of the second Iraq war. Those improvements will continue to be matched by increases in range accompanied, in some instances, by hypersonic speed.
In the meantime, new passive and active methods– including the use of VHF and UHF from other sources — will make stealth increasingly elusive to achieve. Worryingly, Defense News has reported claims by Chinese sources that its DWL002 passive radar had already rendered the F-35 obsolete.
Concurrently, improvements and the ubiquitous placement of sensors feeding into massive computational systems will make total battlefield awareness — with the world being the battlefield — a reality. “Sooner or later most of the world’s oceans will fall under the shadow of land-based precision weaponry,” Holmes wrote.
The next two Ford-class carriers will not be completed for another decade — assuming the problems with the first vessel are resolved — and will have a life of 50 years. Can anyone possibly believe, given the pace of technological improvements, that by 2065 supercarriers and the manned aircraft that fly off of them will be anything other than relics?
Given these arguments, the Navy cannot and should not continue to pursue a force structure of 11 carriers. In 2013, an unmanned X-47B with a range three times the current carrier strike group — and twice that projected for the F-35C — landed on the deck of a carrier. Yet the Navy is spending too little on the revolution in unmanned systems.
In a recent joint think-tank symposium, both CSBA and Center for a New American Security called for decommissioning at least two carrier strike groups and possibly diverting savings from the F-35 program to “facilitate this revolution.”
In other words, over the next four or five decades the Navy would transition from large carriers launching fifth-generation fighters to supercarriers launching unmanned systems and to smaller amphibious assault ships — and other lower cost platforms — launching a variety of unmanned systems.
The Navy’s penchant for building ever larger and more complex carrier strike forces is analogous to an effort to build ever larger mainframe computers while the world is already moving from distributed systems to the cloud. Precise weapons can also be placed on a wide range of craft — even fishing boats — raising the specter of the USS Cole suicide attack on steroids.
“Because the most critical naval competition will be a battle of signatures, a small signature-controlled combatant with long-range precision strike will be a decisive component of any fleet,” Hendrix pointed out in Proceedings.
The economics and efficacy of substituting modular and expendable payloads for large hulking platforms is compelling. Such a naval force structure would “more distributed, networked, numerous, elusive, small, long-range and hard to find,” David Gompert and Terrence Kelly of the RAND Corporation noted.
Although the supercarrier would remain in the fleet until the Ford comes out of service, the Navy must move away from its carrier-centric architecture. Large surface ships are increasingly vulnerable, and the Navy should not be build and operate them if the costs are unacceptable.
New and very low-cost landing ships such as the USNS Montford Point and John Glenn can be built at about 1/25th to 1/30th the cost of a supercarrier and project advanced missiles, drones, helicopters, V-22 Ospreys or jump jets. Instead of an arsenal of 90 missiles on an existing Aegis craft, the new Afloat forward stage base ship Lewis B. Puller can hold 2,000 missiles at one-fourth the cost of an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer.
Another logical response to the strategic and technological realities facing the Navy would dictate a very marked emphasis on the improvement and development of a subsurface strategy — both manned and unmanned. Submarines are less vulnerable to cyber and electronic interventions than air- and surface-weapons.
“The sea acts as a massive electromagnetic barrier to interference and as a de facto armor against most forms of attack such as anti-surface cruise or ballistic missiles like the DF-21D ‘carrier killer,’” retired Commander Victor Vescovo stated in Proceedings.
The increasing vulnerability of carriers presents the U.S. in a crisis with a Hobson’s choice of acquiescence or possible exposure of the fleet to heavy losses and potential escalation.
The emerging doctrine of AirSeaBattle, besides possibly coming too late to be of use, would similarly present the U.S. with a policy option that seems to ensure escalation.
The pivot to Asia should result in a pivot in procurement to subsurface vehicles — including stealthy unmanned underwater drones and gliders — not with the objective of scrapping for a fight, but for deterrence and to preserve the peace.
Unfortunately, that’s not happening. The fleet of nuclear attack submarines — as opposed to strategic submarines armed with nuclear warheads — is now slated to drop from 54 in 2013 to cover the entire world to possibly as low as just 39 by 2030.
At present, the Navy is straining to build two attack submarines a year, while it could afford to build 10 at the cost of just one carrier and its air wing and, arguably, to much greater strategic effect. In addition, unlike most of the surface ship acquisition programs, attack submarine programs have had a generally good record for coming in on schedule and budget.
One of the most effective components of an effective submarine procurement program should be a back-to-the-future program involving very quiet diesel submarines. Diesel submarines are very hard to detect and can be procured at a rate of three or four per the cost of each nuclear submarine.
But here, as with Navy carrier policy, the leadership will encounter strong resistance from one of its “unions,” in this case the submariners who are committed to the nuclear Navy.
Sound policy will also require overcoming resistance to replacing manned subs with all manner of unmanned underwater vessels — from the very small to large-displacement unmanned vehicles.
Submarines, which were unsung game changers in both world wars, must continue to develop in terms of offensive capability as launchers of cruise missiles, non-nuclear ballistic missiles and eventually hypersonic missile.
The U.S. Navy is unquestionably the most powerful in the world today in the aggregate. Unfortunately, repeating that phrase like a standard campaign applause line isn’t helpful. While the entire U.S. Navy dominates in tonnage and sheer firepower, that may not be meaningful in a specific locale with the force on deployment.
Then again, although Navy war games often disallow this reality, the very fact that the American Navy is the most powerful to fight a specific type of naval engagement practically guarantees that a future opponent will be so rude as to play a different game.
Yet, the Navy projects into the future a force structure that really is an updated version of what fought in the Pacific in the 1940s, and which was really untested in the Cold War. The alternative force structure hinted at here would equip the Navy possibly for the next 30 to 40 years.
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Why It's So Hard To Build Aircraft Carriers
China's Troubled Aircraft Carrier Proves Why It's So Hard To Build Them

Carriers are complicated and expensive things to build.
By Kyle Mizokami
Aug 14, 2019
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Recent news out of China suggests that the country is experiencing technical problems with its first homemade aircraft carrier. This points to an ongoing issue for countries that have elected to go the aircraft carrier route: carriers are really, really complicated and expensive things to build.
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The first purpose-built aircraft carrier was the Royal Navy’s HMS Hermes. Laid down in 1918 and commissioned in 1926, it was the first carrier built from the ground up as a carrier and not converted from another type of ship for the aviation role. At six years, it had an unusually long development period for a 1920s warship.
A century later, a handful of countries are still building carriers, with ships under construction in the U.S., U.K., China, India, and Italy. Russia and South Korea are pondering building new aircraft carriers, while Japan is planning to convert a helicopter carrier into one capable of embarking the F-35B Joint Strike Fighter.
HMS Queen Elizabethentering New York harbor, October 2018.
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One design consideration with carriers is that they must be very large. Carrier-based aircraft typically need a rolling start, aided by a catapult or ski ramp, to get airborne, though some aircraft such as the Harrier or F-35B Joint Strike Fighter can take off vertically. Most carriers have a flight deck 600 feet (or more), while America’s Ford-class carriers have a flight deck 1,092 feet long. This means the ship must be equally large, resulting in one that displaces from 40,000 to 100,000 tons of seawater.
Carriers must also incorporate everything the embarked aircraft—typically known as the air wing—need for sustained operations at sea. Carriers must hold large amounts of aviation fuel and weapons, and supplies including spare aircraft engines. It must have locations to test engines, a noisy and dangerous operation, and hangar space for maintainers to store and service airplanes. In the case of larger carriers, it must have the systems necessary to launch and recover aircraft, including catapults and arresting gear.
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The Italian carrier/amphibious ship Trieste during launching, May 2019. Triestewill probably carry F-35B Joint Strike Fighters.
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One of the major issues for a carrier is propulsion. Aircraft carriers are up to nine times larger than other surface warships in the U.S. Navy, necessitating large, powerful engines to propel them through the world’s oceans. Carriers that use conventional propulsion must include large fuel tanks to keep the engines humming. Alternately carriers can use nuclear propulsion, but that is a level of complexity an order of magnitude greater than conventional engines.
Carriers are often called “floating cities,” with the U.S. Navy’s carriers carrying up to 6,000 personnel at any one time. These people not only need places to work but to eat, drink, live, and even sometimes play. A population large enough to man an aircraft carrier requires dedicated medical and dental services, a gym, ship’s store, and other amenities. Food must be refrigerated, sewage must be managed, and life must be made bearable for the people onboard to do their jobs.
China’s first carrier, Liaoning, is in drydock while its second--and first home-made carrier--is in the background.
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Aircraft carriers are large, powerful ships. Their mission and size means navies must address thousands, if not tens of thousands of considerations when designing and building the ships.
A country like China, which has never built a carrier before, will naturally experience technical problems. Even the U.S., with literally hundreds of built carriers under its belt, has experienced two years of delays getting the brand-new USS Ford out to sea.
In the world of aircraft carriers, delays and holdups are simply part of doing business.
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China's new domestically built Shandong aircraft carrier deployed in the South China Sea
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Chinese leader Xi Jinping presided over the commissioning of the new aircraft carrier.
China's first domestically built aircraft carrier has entered into service following a commissioning ceremony at a South China Sea naval base.

Key points:
The aircraft carrier Shandong is the first to be manufactured in China
China now has two aircraft carriers, while the United States has 10
Beijing launched the Shandong in the South China Sea, where it is involved in territorial disputes
Chinese President Xi Jinping attended the ceremony in the southern island province of Hainan, inspecting equipment and guards onboard the new carrier, state media agency Xinhua reported.

The new carrier, which has been named the Shandong after the Chinese province of the same name, is just the second aircraft carrier in China's navy, and the first to be manufactured in China.

"It puts them in a small league of countries that have done that," Euan Graham, executive director of La Trobe Asia, told the ABC.

"Some countries have chosen to purchase their aircraft carriers — China went down that route for its first ship."

A large aircraft carrier sits in the middle of a harbour with various inlets and mountainous peninsulas shown in the distance.
The Liaoning, China's first aircraft carrier, began its life in the Soviet Navy.(Wikimedia Commons: Baycrest)
China's first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, was a refitted Soviet-era vessel which Beijing bought second hand from Ukraine in 1998.

It can carry 24 fighter jets while the Shandong is capable of carrying 36, according to state television.

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Chinese President Xi Jinping has been working to modernise the country's military.(Xinhua)
Mr Graham said it was significant Mr Xi attended the launch of the Shandong, with his presence suggesting the President saw the vessel as "a symbol of China's status".

The Chinese President has been overseeing a substantial modernisation of China's military, with its armed forces this year showing off new hypersonic nuclear missiles and a submarine-hunting laser.

There was even a sighting of what appeared to be a warship-mounted electromagnetic railgun, theoretically capable of shooting five times faster than the speed of sound.

But unlike those technological advancements — which are aimed at pushing out the layer of defences, denying airspace and sea-space to potential adversaries — Mr Graham said aircraft carriers were more of "a throwback to older times".

"Technology is pushing the advantage towards the defender rather than the attacker in maritime warfare. That means in a high-intensity conflict, in which China faces a peer or near-peer adversary, let's say Japan or the United States, the carriers would count for very little in the mix.

"They would be too vulnerable to attack by missile or by submarine."

'Tools of coercion'
Aircraft carriers like the Shandong could be intimidating for China's less powerful neighbours.(Supplied: Weibo)
However the contested South China Sea, where China's new aircraft carrier was launched, is a place where the vessel could play a powerful role," Mr Graham said.

"In the lower order threshold of conflict, let's say with perhaps with a Vietnam or another South-East Asian country, then [aircraft carriers] would be useful," he said.

While the Shandong is a modest improvement on the Liaoning, China's aircraft carriers still lag behind those of the United States, which has 10 in service and is planning on building two more.

Those American carriers are more advanced and feature catapult technology for launching aircraft, while both China's vessels use so-called "ski-jumps" at the end of their bows.

Mr Graham said China's next aircraft carriers would likely have catapults but even then China's planes are still a work in progress.

"The ships basically are a floating airfield," he said.

"What makes the carrier is really its air wing — and there China has also had developmental problems."

The state-owned Global Times newspaper also mentioned this mismatch in capability in an editorial about the launch, however the paper said the new carrier would still make it harder for "radical US elites" to threaten China.

"The stronger China's military is, the greater the risks the US will face when it imposes irrational pressure on China. Such risks are increasingly becoming unbearable to the US."
 
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