Ms Lo Hwei Yen

[TracyTan866]

hahaha it's all about technique and strategies. 4-4-2?

it's also about ambience, role playing

 

[Devil Within]

Sigh, what is the correct way to deal with terrorists is a subject for another thread.

The point of this thread is whether LHL was stupid to shoot his mouth off?

Sure, with hindsight, we all know that Ms. Lo would most likely be killed anyway.

But did LHL know at that point he made those remarks? Most likely not.

If LHL's remarks would not help, why did he make the remarks? To score political points? Tried to act like a hero?

You missed the point again. What LHL did is exactly what I agree. That is to deny any benefits gain from hostage taking or terror acts. If only the rest of the world follow suit.

 

[GoldenDragon]

hahaha it's all about technique and strategies. 4-4-2?

I think 4-4-2 outdated liao. These days they go for 4-3-2-1.

 

[rodent2005]

You missed the point again. What LHL did is exactly what I agree. That is to deny any benefits gain from hostage taking or terror acts. If only the rest of the world follow suit.

You talk to the terrorists to buy time so that the commandoes can storm the place and rescue the hostages duh.

The strategy of "no negotiation" means you are prepared to sacrifice the lives of hostages. So you agree that LHL was prepared to let Ms. Lo die and did not really intend to do anything to secure her release.

Besides, I don't think that "no negotiation" extends to the case where an innocent's life is directly at stake.

If you are ever confronted by a terrorist, please shout "shoot me! Shoot me!" like the brave rabbi did. As for me, I don't want "leaders" like LHL to act like a hero at my expense.

 

[TracyTan866]

You talk to the terrorists to buy time so that the commandoes can storm the place and rescue the hostages duh.

The strategy of "no negotiation" means you are prepared to sacrifice the lives of hostages. So you agree that LHL was prepared to let Ms. Lo die and did not really intend to do anything to secure her release.

Besides, I don't think that "no negotiation" extends to the case where an innocent's life is directly at stake.

If you are ever confronted by a terrorist, please shout "shoot me! Shoot me!" like the brave rabbi did. As for me, I don't want "leaders" like LHL to act like a hero at my expense.

the modus operandi of the security forces is to buy time:

1. hopefully, with time, the terrorists calm down
2. wear and tire out the terrorists
3. get their loved ones to talk them and calm them
4. wait for opportunity to storm

it's no..no to provoke and agitate the terrorists, which lhl severely violates

 

[Devil Within]

You talk to the terrorists to buy time so that the commandoes can storm the place and rescue the hostages duh.

The strategy of "no negotiation" means you are prepared to sacrifice the lives of hostages. So you agree that LHL was prepared to let Ms. Lo die and did not really intend to do anything to secure her release.

Besides, I don't think that "no negotiation" extends to the case where an innocent's life is directly at stake.

If you are ever confronted by a terrorist, please shout "shoot me! Shoot me!" like the brave rabbi did. As for me, I don't want "leaders" like LHL to act like a hero at my expense.

Tell that to the passengers of the 911 planes, the holidays makers of the filipinos bus, and many more failed hostages situation. I would rather fight for my life and my freedom then to wait and see if I would be killed or not.

That's why hostage taker love dumb fucks like you. Just sit quietly and let them take control of your life.

 

[TracyTan866]

Interesting, hopefully expressing grief over a lost precious life - not only because she is a Singaporean but because you are caring, warmhearted human. That's very noble. Clap, clap, clap.

However to blame her death on our PM is simply ridiculous to say the least. I am not surprised that in this forum anything negative - anything from people jumping into MRT track, to floods and volcanic eruptions - is blamed on our government, PM Lee, SM Lee, PAP, men-in-blue, men-in-white.

Why not blame the men-in-black? The terrorists in their spiritual drunken stupor ran amok. They didn't care a damn whom they killed - women or children. I don't think they even know Singapore or Lee Hsien Loong! Those people who shut their mouth were also killed, so do those who prayed in the name of the terrorists' God.

Was just scratching my head wondering whether I have read anything from you expressing your personal "grief" over more than 350 innocent lives lost in the horrific accident in Cambodia. That will even be more noble. I think PM Lee did it on our behalf. A donation or silent prayer from you may even make you a saint!

Anyway, etiquette has nothing to do with Queen's English or Queen's lifestyle or writing. It's just help forummers here to respond to your thread better, me think.

Referring to your point abt floods, do you know that the govt is doing some scenario planning?

The govt knows the real reason that caused the flood..it was not "a freak occurrence that happens once in 50yrs". Neither was it "an act of God that human engineering cant prevent".

So, if the reason was not rectified, flooding will occur again in this month and Jan when the NE monsson visits us. What then is the govt going to say?

They have gone into damage control mode and you will see more of these damage control measures soon.

 

[rodent2005]

Tell that to the passengers of the 911 planes, the holidays makers of the filipinos bus, and many more failed hostages situation. I would rather fight for my life and my freedom then to wait and see if I would be killed or not.

That's why hostage taker love dumb fucks like you. Just sit quietly and let them take control of your life.

You have lost the debate and you know it.

The only point we are discussing is whether LHL was smart or dumb to go shooting off his mouth. You keep on going on about the hostages rushing the terrorists.

You said LHL was right to take a stand of no negotiation. That means he was prepared to let Ms. Lo die. No negotiation means the hostages are 100% going to be killed.

So you conceded that LHL was prepared to let Ms. Lo die; he did not have any intention to secure the release of Ms. Lo.

 

[TracyTan866]

You have lost the debate and you know it.

The only point we are discussing is whether LHL was smart or dumb to go shooting off his mouth. You keep on going on about the hostages rushing the terrorists.

You said LHL was right to take a stand of no negotiation. That means he was prepared to let Ms. Lo die. No negotiation means the hostages are 100% going to be killed.

So you conceded that LHL was prepared to let Ms. Lo die; he did not have any intention to secure the release of Ms. Lo.

You are right

 

[rodent2005]

the modus operandi of the security forces is to buy time:

1. hopefully, with time, the terrorists calm down
2. wear and tire out the terrorists
3. get their loved ones to talk them and calm them
4. wait for opportunity to storm

it's no..no to provoke and agitate the terrorists, which lhl severely violates

That guy said that LHL has taken a stand of no negotiation by making those comments.

No negotiation means you don't give a damn if all the hostages are killed.

No negotiation means LHL has already condemned Ms. Lo to die even if the terrorists were prepared to negotiate.

So LHL was prepared to let Ms. Lo die and did not have any real intention of securing her release.

 

[TracyTan866]

That guy said that LHL has taken a stand of no negotiation by making those comments.

No negotiation means you don't give a damn if all the hostages are killed.

No negotiation means LHL has already condemned Ms. Lo to die even if the terrorists were prepared to negotiate.

So LHL was prepared to let Ms. Lo die and did not have any real intention of securing her release.

Yes..you are right. The preferred way is not to give in to the terrorist and also not to jeopardise the lives of the hostages. Only a wise leader can do that.

Sadly, lhl is found lacking in his first test

 

[TracyTan866]

I grief for Lo Hwei Yen. She was tragically shot. Terror and stupidity caused Hwei Yen's death.

Most people blamed terror when the gunmen shot Hwei Yen. But not many people know that someone's stupidity agitated the gunmen and caused them to shoot at Singaporean. The PM wanted to sound "heroic" and denounced the gunmen when Hwei Yen, a Singaporean, was in their hands and was very vulnerable.

Shes a great girl alright with great tits. I still cant forget her wonderful cleavage on the front page of Strait Times till today.

Yes..the terrorists pulled the trigger.

But we must be discerning and know that there were contributory causes to Hwei Yen's death.

We must not believe the pap-controlled SG media...

 

[Devil Within]

You have lost the debate and you know it.

The only point we are discussing is whether LHL was smart or dumb to go shooting off his mouth. You keep on going on about the hostages rushing the terrorists.

You said LHL was right to take a stand of no negotiation. That means he was prepared to let Ms. Lo die. No negotiation means the hostages are 100% going to be killed.

So you conceded that LHL was prepared to let Ms. Lo die; he did not have any intention to secure the release of Ms. Lo.

Like I've said, to rid of hostage taking situation, you have to rid of the benefits derived. If it is a common understanding that there will be no negotiation if you take hostage, then what benefits are there for the potential hostage takers for such act? If there is no benefit, maybe in future, you will see less or no hostage taking situation. Simple as that.

Also, LHL said he condemn terrorist act. Did he say no negotiation?

 

[eatshitndie]

Yes..the terrorists pulled the trigger.

But we must be discerning and know that there were contributory causes to Hwei Yen's death.

We must not believe the pap-controlled SG media...

hwei yen also contributed to her own demise. instead of remaining calm and using her wits, she cried loudly and uncontrolably. she could have lied that she was sympathetic to their cause or soothed their egos or offered to blow their dicks. instead of at least keeping her mouth shut, she sobbed like a spoiled spinster. any moronic brainwashed mudderfugger would pulled the trigger to shut the annoying bitch up.

 

[eatshitndie]

Like I've said, to rid of hostage taking situation, you have to rid of the benefits derived. If it is a common understanding that there will be no negotiation if you take hostage, then what benefits are there for the potential hostage takers for such act? If there is no benefit, maybe in future, you will see less or no hostage taking situation. Simple as that.

Also, LHL said he condemn terrorist act. Did he say no negotiation?

he was no different from being a motor mouth bitch.

 

[TracyTan866]

hwei yen also contributed to her own demise. instead of remaining calm and using her wits, she cried loudly and uncontrolably. she could have lied that she was sympathetic to their cause or soothed their egos or offered to blow their dicks. instead of at least keeping her mouth shut, she sobbed like a spoiled spinster. any moronic brainwashed mudderfugger would pulled the trigger to shut the annoying bitch up.

Were you in the room with her when she was a hostage?

 

[eatshitndie]

Were you in the room with her when she was a hostage?

she was in a stairwell, not a room. if you miss this little but important detail, how can your claims be credible my dear?

 

[TracyTan866]

she was in a stairwell, not a room. if you miss this little but important detail, how can your claims be credible my dear?

did you miss my question?

 

[TracyTan866]

she was in a stairwell, not a room. if you miss this little but important detail, how can your claims be credible my dear?

Dont try to snuggle up to me...

 

[eatshitndie]

Dont try to snuggle up to me...

oh yeah, when busted with factual errors, start using sex as decoy. you should be there at the stairwell instead of hwei yen. at least you would compel them mudderfuggers to shoot themselves.