Ms Lo Hwei Yen

[Coolsaint77]

Medically, if cut, more hygienic

That could very well start a different round of debate lol

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Medically, if cut, more hygienic

Wrong!

If one washes his foreskin it's also equally clean.

 

[rodent2005]

Sigh, you missed the point again. LHL was not the hostage when he sprouted his bravado.

 

[myo539]

I was expressing my grief over the lost of a precious life. I am not here to rant nor witchhunt....Trying to write and and speak in Queen's english here may be a turn off.

Interesting, hopefully expressing grief over a lost precious life - not only because she is a Singaporean but because you are caring, warmhearted human. That's very noble. Clap, clap, clap.

However to blame her death on our PM is simply ridiculous to say the least. I am not surprised that in this forum anything negative - anything from people jumping into MRT track, to floods and volcanic eruptions - is blamed on our government, PM Lee, SM Lee, PAP, men-in-blue, men-in-white.

Why not blame the men-in-black? The terrorists in their spiritual drunken stupor ran amok. They didn't care a damn whom they killed - women or children. I don't think they even know Singapore or Lee Hsien Loong! Those people who shut their mouth were also killed, so do those who prayed in the name of the terrorists' God.

Was just scratching my head wondering whether I have read anything from you expressing your personal "grief" over more than 350 innocent lives lost in the horrific accident in Cambodia. That will even be more noble. I think PM Lee did it on our behalf. A donation or silent prayer from you may even make you a saint!

Anyway, etiquette has nothing to do with Queen's English or Queen's lifestyle or writing. It's just help forummers here to respond to your thread better, me think.

 

[Devil Within]

Sigh, you missed the point again. LHL was not the hostage when he sprouted his bravado.

Regardless. The key issue is to make hijacking ineffective. How do you think that will come? If it's a common knowledge that hostage taking or hijacking will not get you anything, then what are the chances of anyone want to take hostages for their demands?

Also, if those held hostage knowing that their live would be doomed for sure, do you think they will continue to sit quietly and wait to be executed? What are the chances that they will continue to behave like a sitting duck? If it's a common knowledge that when you take hostages, your hostages will become a suicide mad warrior instantly, what are the chances of anyone want to take hostage in future?

The other solution is to do what the Israelis did in "Operation Wrath of God".

Anyway, Hwei Yen got no chance as those terrorist were not interested in hostages. Their mission was to kill as many people as they could before they themselves got killed in action. So whatever LHL say or didn't say, the result would the same. She was at the wrong place, wrong time. If she had stay locked in her room, she might have a chance to escape.

 

[rodent2005]

Anyway, Hwei Yen got no chance as those terrorist were not interested in hostages. Their mission was to kill as many people as they could before they themselves got killed in action. So whatever LHL say or didn't say, the result would the same. She was at the wrong place, wrong time. If she had stay locked in her room, she might have a chance to escape.

Sigh, what is the correct way to deal with terrorists is a subject for another thread.

The point of this thread is whether LHL was stupid to shoot his mouth off?

Sure, with hindsight, we all know that Ms. Lo would most likely be killed anyway.

But did LHL know at that point he made those remarks? Most likely not.

If LHL's remarks would not help, why did he make the remarks? To score political points? Tried to act like a hero?

 

[Frankiestine]

Was just scratching my head wondering whether I have read anything from you expressing your personal "grief" over more than 350 innocent lives lost in the horrific accident in Cambodia. That will even be more noble. I think PM Lee did it on our behalf. A donation or silent prayer from you may even make you a saint!.

Gay Loong did it because of this thing called diplomacy but whether he really feel for them that is another matter.

 

[TracyTan866]

Gay Loong did it because of this thing called diplomacy but whether he really feel for them that is another matter.

That's very true.

 

[TracyTan866]

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If LHL's remarks would not help, why did he make the remarks? To score political points? Tried to act like a hero?

I agree with you fully. Tried to act hero when Hwei Yen's life was at stake.

Pure foolishness...very unbecoming of a PM

 

[TracyTan866]

"However to blame her death on our PM is simply ridiculous to say the least. I am not surprised that in this forum anything negative".


Knowing that Hwei Yen's life was in danger, dont you think that for her PM to publicly condemn the hostage takers was stupidity? To me it was clearly foolishness and totally unnecessary for him to act so brave against the hostage takers when someone else's life, not his, is at stake. You may not agree with me...but u r entitled to your opinion.

If he was in Hwei Yen's place and he said the same thing, I wld say LHL was brave. But saying it in safe sanctuary SG does not make him a hero.

 

[TracyTan866]

floods and volcanic eruptions - is blamed on our government, PM Lee, SM Lee, PAP, men-in-blue, men-in-white.

What caused the mid-yr floods? Do you believe the pap's excuse that it was freak weather?

If you know meteorology, the mid-yr rain was nothing unusual and certainly no freak weather.

so what caused the floods? according to initial NEA's findings, it was uncleared debris. if that was the reason, whose fault? to me, clearly it was the govt's for outsourcing the job to contractors but didnt make sure that the job was properly done.. dont blame the workers nor the contractors...they were paid to do the job and the govt agencies had to check and certify that the job was properly done before the contractors and workers were paid. if the govt agencies did a poor job of checking and ensuring that the job was done properly, whose fault? it is the govt's

from insider information, the marina barrage and the unopened gates caused the floods..but that's another issue which we wont discuss as the govt has not come out to confirm nor deny it. if indeed the barrage caused the floods, whose fault? the govt's...

so from official NEA's findings abt uncleared debris and unconfirmed barrage's cause..everything pointed to govt' fault.

Just because u dont know the facts doesnt exonerate the govt's bad performance. I sense that u are an intelligent man..the problem is that u trust the govt too much and read what the pap wants u to know...u need to step out of that mentality and search for the truth rather than depend on the pap to tell u what they want u to know.

dont blame Singaporeans to feel that way...the pap is paid well to do their job..and if anything slipped up, they must take the rap.

 

[TracyTan866]

Why not blame the men-in-black? The terrorists in their spiritual drunken stupor ran amok. They didn't care a damn whom they killed - women or children. I don't think they even know Singapore or Lee Hsien Loong! Those people who shut their mouth were also killed, so do those who prayed in the name of the terrorists' God.

Certainly, if anyone said that the terrorists killed Hwei Yen, I wld agree with him.

But to me, LHL's hands are not totally clean in Hwei Yen's death.

 

[TracyTan866]

That could very well start a different round of debate lol

hahaha...i think it wld be beneficial to many if the issue is discussed and debated

 

[TracyTan866]

Wrong!

If one washes his foreskin it's also equally clean.

Ok...let me give u two scenarios:

1. washing thoroughly with full foreskin in place
2. washing thoroughly with foreskin cut off

which is more hygienic and clean?

also...u have to go for field exercises and have limited water and filed hygiene, with or without foreskin is more hygienic?

 

[TracyTan866]

Wrong!

If one washes his foreskin it's also equally clean.

BTW, I heard that men without foreskin last longer and enjoy more. any truth?

 

[TracyTan866]

Anyway, etiquette has nothing to do with Queen's English or Queen's lifestyle or writing. It's just help forummers here to respond to your thread better, me think.

so shd write according to proper writing etiquette but no need to worry abt proper english?

forumners will respond better when writing etiquette is proper?

whether forumners understand my english pr not will not affect their response?

hmmmmm..

 

[GoldenDragon]

BTW, I heard that men without foreskin last longer and enjoy more. any truth?

Not many men can answer that question. Coz you need to have had and later not have foreskin to make a comparison. Enjoy more? I think it is not only subjective. It also depends on your opponent. Just like playing soccer. Some prefer weak opponents to allow easier dominance while others love tough opponents, ones that slides in hard, elbow you, step on you, keep scoring equalisers etc.

 

[TracyTan866]

Not many men can answer that question. Coz you need to have had and later not have foreskin to make a comparison. Enjoy more? I think it is not only subjective. It also depends on your opponent. Just like playing soccer. Some prefer weak opponents to allow easier dominance while others love tough opponents, ones that slides in hard, elbow you, step on you, keep scoring equalisers etc.

hahahaha..ok...if guys cant answer that, i dont know who can..but it doesnt matter..it's just hypothetical

 

[ThePlen]

Not many men can answer that question. Coz you need to have had and later not have foreskin to make a comparison. Enjoy more? I think it is not only subjective. It also depends on your opponent. Just like playing soccer. Some prefer weak opponents to allow easier dominance while others love tough opponents, ones that slides in hard, elbow you, step on you, keep scoring equalisers etc.

hahaha it's all about technique and strategies. 4-4-2?

 

[TracyTan866]

hahaha it's all about technique and strategies. 4-4-2?

hahahaha...4-4-2 is a crowd