Ms Lo Hwei Yen

[TracyTan866]

Why don't you take India gov to task for not stopping the terrorist when the terrorist started killing hours before they entered the hotel?

Why don't you take India gov to task for being so useless and incompetent in handling the terrorist situation?

Why don't you take the Muslim to task for not speaking out about carrying terrorist act in the name of Islam?

Why don't you take Muslim terrorist organisation to task for carrying out such horrific act of indiscriminate killing?

And of all people you take a small fly LHL for not saying the smartest thing?

LOL!....

LHL said what he said and I am at liberty to remind people of what lhl said that endangered the life of Hwei Yen.

Whether I choose to say what other conutries did is my pregorative, not yours.

 

[TracyTan866]

I am a kind man. My folks told me to be kind to everyone.

Your folks have done well...

 

[TracyTan866]

Ever wondered why nobody in Parliament brought this up for discussion? I honestly opine LHL screwed up big time here.



Many singaporeans, including me, share your opinion

 

[TracyTan866]

Ever wondered why nobody in Parliament brought this up for discussion? I honestly opine LHL screwed up big time here.

If another chap of lesser influence, had uttered those words and the casualty was a MIW or his/her family members, that chap who spoke out would have been shot rightaway.

Who says what and not what was said, that is the key. If I ever land up as a hostage in future, I would pray that LHL shut his mouth up. I am even prepared to allow Dr Chee SJ, though crazy, to decide my fate. That is how much faith I have on LHL.

hahaha...me too. the trouble is SG has poor leaders. and it is good for SG if more Singaporeans know the true calibre of their political leaders.

 

[TracyTan866]

Based on this episode and he has a double 1st, at leat 3 million S'poreans would have more than double 1st from Cambridge. He makes me malu only. Surely you only need to be an average Joe to know better.

hahaha..u rank lhl below 3million singaporeans?

maybe lhl is studious. but he certainly lacks EQ and leadership qualities

 

[TracyTan866]

The only reason why they were not killed has nothing to do with what their leaders said or didn't say. They were spared LAST minute because they claim that they were Muslims. If they had not spoken out, they would have been killed just the same. All non-Muslims were killed upon captured.

Now you admit that there were survivors, so unlike your adamant point that all hostages were killed. That's a good start in humbling yourself.

 

[TracyTan866]

Oh yes you are.

hahaha..I am not I am just because you think so. ..so just be humble and admit that you dont know me well enough to tell me who i am

 

[TracyTan866]

I wouldn't go as far as to say LHL's remarks killed Ms. Lo. Like I said:
1. There is no evidence.
2. It's possible that she would be killed anyway (curiously, she was spared the intial shootings after capture, but was later killed in a second round of shootings).

However, no one knew the situation then. But the outside world knew they kept some captives. So under such circumstances, do you go shooting your mouth off when it does not help matters whatsoever?

Good point:-)

 

[TracyTan866]

The terrorists might or might not have been following the news but they certainly were in contact with the outside world. There are many accounts of their telephone conversations with their base camp back in Pakistan.

Even if they didn't know where Singapore was at the onset, it was clear that they soon realized that a Singaporean was amongst one of their hostages. There are many unknowns but what is crystal clear is that gay loong is an imbecile of the highest order.

All we have to do is to have a free press and we will be laughing our asses off at his incessant gaffes. We only know of his gaffes thanks to live coverage. All the reports from news and the papers have all been sanitized by the PAP fascist regime.

Good points. Somehow some of these good points evade people who choose to be ignorant

 

[TracyTan866]

produce the proof that directly links his statement to ms. lo's death. put up or shut up.

I dont need to keep quiet for speaking abt what happened. there is such a thing as circumstantial evidence. let the people hear and draw their own conclusions

 

[TracyTan866]

produce the proof that directly links his statement to ms. lo's death. put up or shut up.

if you dont want singaporeans to know what lhl said, it's better for you not to defend the indefensible and try to gag me. instead you shd shut up so that no more of lhl's gaffes are dug up and exposed. the more you said, the more you are painiting your self into a corner and the more you expose lhl.

 

[TracyTan866]

Why don't you show indisputable proof to prove your end of your story? :oIo:

This is not a court of law you imbecile! Even in a court of law, judges have to use common sense to form their judgement. Based on the fact that a hostage incident was taking place and gay loong antagonised the hostage takers, it is factually correct to say that gay loong certainly didn't hep the situation.

If gay loong didn't help the situation then gay loong either escalated the situation or his act was met with indifference by the hostage takers. Whether the hostage takers were knowledgeable or not of gay loong's antagonistic words is besides the point. The point is that gay loong is an idiot and a useless leader who is better kept in some dark office to perform simple accounting chores than to lead a political party or worse yet a country!

good points. the ball is in his court.

 

[TracyTan866]

The point is: whether LHL's remarks caused Ms. Lo's death cannot be proven. But is it wise to shoot your mouth off in such a situation? Was LHL absolutely sure his remarks would not provoke the terrorists or put Singapore nationals at a higher risk?

Yes, a wise man knows what to say, when to say it and how to say it. A wise man also knows when not to say anything.

A silly man wants to be bravado and sometimes says stupid things and endangers the lives of others

 

[TracyTan866]

Why don't you show indisputable proof to prove your end of your story? :oIo:

This is not a court of law you imbecile! Even in a court of law, judges have to use common sense to form their judgement. Based on the fact that a hostage incident was taking place and gay loong antagonised the hostage takers, it is factually correct to say that gay loong certainly didn't hep the situation.

If gay loong didn't help the situation then gay loong either escalated the situation or his act was met with indifference by the hostage takers. Whether the hostage takers were knowledgeable or not of gay loong's antagonistic words is besides the point. The point is that gay loong is an idiot and a useless leader who is better kept in some dark office to perform simple accounting chores than to lead a political party or worse yet a country!

Yes, most logical people know that lhl's comments were absolute out of place, silly and stupid

 

[rodent2005]

too many morons here care too much about what he says. no one in the rest of the world cares. sinkies like to exaggerate their pigeon hole issues out of proportion as though they make global impacts and cause both obama and osama to take minute by minute notice. sheesh. lame. and funny.

Sigh, the issue is, was LHL smart in making the remarks or was he dumb in making the remarks?
Did he know the exact situation then?
Did he understand the full ramifications of his remarks?
Did he know for sure that the terrorists would not give a damn to his remarks?
Did he know for sure that his remarks would not provoke the terrorists to target Singaporeans?
Did it ever cross his mind that there might be Singaporeans who are held captive?
Did he know for sure that the captives would be killed anyway?
What possible good would his remarks serve? Was he trying to score political points?

 

[TracyTan866]

Sigh, the issue is, was LHL smart in making the remarks or was he dumb in making the remarks?
Did he know the exact situation then?
Did he understand the full ramifications of his remarks?
Did he know for sure that the terrorists would not give a damn to his remarks?
Did he know for sure that his remarks would not provoke the terrorists to target Singaporeans?
Did it ever cross his mind that there might be Singaporeans who are held captive?
Did he know for sure that the captives would be killed anyway?
What possible good would his remarks serve? Was he trying to score political points?

Good and probing questions you asked. The only conclusion is that lhl made the remarks out of sheer stupidity

 

[Coolsaint77]

The Devil Within Eat Shit and Die!!!! The God outside eat abalone and lives on ...........................

That was a good one... lol... that is obviously a clone he created to support his own argument

 

[Coolsaint77]

What you are trying to discuss are "would have", "could have", "should have" which no one knows for sure. But trying to put blame on someone with "would have", "could have" and "should have" who has no direct influence of the outcome is just plain stupid in my view.

Like someone has pointed out, those terrorist are out there to kill and they don't care and don't know who LHL is, and I bet they don't even know where Singapore is on the map. So to say that the outcome "would have", "could have" and "should have" being different if this or that is being done is pure speculation.

But there is no speculation of what those murderer intent to do, and that is to kill no matter who say what or do.

You speak as if you understand the whole terrorism issue. You put the entire blame to nothing but Islam. Much as i hate to see women in tudung, you have entirely missed the point, your arguments are evasive and presumptious. You assume everything reported in the mainstream media is TRUTH, eg the Sept-11. You assume Islam ask Muslims to go around killing non-Muslims without understanding that everything in a religious book is a subject of interpretation.

The root of terrorism is obviously beyond the comprehension of your simple mind. Terrorists exist because there is a group who feel mistreated (which is true) they are frustrated because no one listens to them, it is beyond their powers to get heard or have any of their objectives fulfilled. The unfortunate mix of religion and abuse by some manipulators ==> Jihadists.

Terrorists kidnap to achieve an objective. They hold a bunch of hostage in a hotel, they lay out their demands. It is easy to say governments should not give in to demands of terrorists but supposing your mother or father or wife is a hostage, will you bark the same way you do now? Terrorists are aggrieved by politicians in developed countries notably USA, we the ordinary citizens are paying for their actions. I don't give a damn if the governments have to cough out 20 billion or release 500 prisoners, but ordinary citizens should not be bearing the consequences of blady politicians.

Btw... terrorists do monitor world political development through their favorite channel... not Channel 5 or 8 but the Al-Jazeera... they dont live under a rock like you think!

 

[eatshitndie]

That was a good one... lol... that is obviously a clone he created to support his own argument

just because i disagree with tracy and others who lick her cunt makes me a clone of the devil who thinks she's a moron too? sheesh. no wonder sinkies are screwed. you obviously have not been on this forum long enough to differentiate those who appreciate tracy's idiocy and modus operandi. this thread is not about lo and lhl. it's about tracy. she's out to grab gullible sbf morons by the balls, and you morons fall for it.

 

[longbow]

Best approach in ALL TYPES of hostage situations is to keep bloody mouth shut. Firstly, they have no idea what the heck is happening. WHo is really involved. So keep quiet.

Even if we know Mumbai killers are muslim, what flavor are they? Maybe they are fighting for Kashmir and only wants to go after Indian. Or they might be Osama types going after Americans and Brits. Or it might be Muslim with issues with Russian. Or maybe be some Palestinian conflict (they did go after Jewish org).

In short shut up, no comments, if we know it is muslim, Get MUIS or some religious leader to release a message. I think this is basic diplomacy.

In future, hope this is approach they use.

With 20/20 hindsight we can talk till cows come home about how these guys are on a jihad etc etc ect but during fluidity of the situation - shut up.