Ms Lo Hwei Yen

[TracyTan866]

Those who were not killed, were they released by the terrorist or were they hiding from the terrorist and not captured? Were they light coloured skin or dark skin colour? Please check your sources.

so you have checked your sources and agree that not all hostages were killed as you initially claimed. thank you for owning up to your mistake.

 

[TracyTan866]

Are you saying that you know how to talk the terrorist into giving up being a terrorist?

hahaha..how did you twist what i said and arrive at that conclusion?

 

[TracyTan866]

As if you were not speculating?

No..I am not

 

[GoldenDragon]

The minder instructed the terrorists who to kill. Did the minder had time to watch international media coverage of the attack? You can bet your last dollar that he was watching.

Initially, the terrorists were only specifically targetting US and UK nationals, and Jews. Did some hero then elevate the profile of Singapore to the same level as US and UK?

Media coverage, unless forced to by the terrorists, should be a no-no. Coz these terrorists depend on and are desperately seeking attention to their cause(s). Coverage will inevitably expose to the terrorists and/or their minder(s) what is taking place outside the hijacked area/plane. This may compromise rescue operations.

If all governments adopt Israel's MO, incidents of terrorism may decline. The Israelis are known to adopt NON- NEGOTIATION when faced with a terrorist incident. I think it is the same today.

 

[Devil Within]

so you have checked your sources and agree that not all hostages were killed as you initially claimed. thank you for owning up to your mistake.

The only reason why they were not killed has nothing to do with what their leaders said or didn't say. They were spared LAST minute because they claim that they were Muslims. If they had not spoken out, they would have been killed just the same. All non-Muslims were killed upon captured.

 

[Devil Within]

No..I am not

Oh yes you are.

 

[TracyTan866]

I am not frustrated nor am I name calling. I am just stating the truth about you.

A frustrated man will never admit that he is frustrated just as a drunken man will never admit he is drunk.

but it is clear to all others

 

[scroobal]

You are confused. And those are not the right cliches in the first place. You must have invented the "frustrated" one as it does not make sense.

It should be alcoholic and not drunken man - 2 different things. All alcholics are drunks and not vice versa. Explains why you getting muddled with this whole thing.

A frustrated man will never admit that he is frustrated just as a drunken man will never admit he is drunk.

but it is clear to all others

 

[rodent2005]

She was not single out. She was killed indiscriminately in a group together with others. Watch the documentary at 41mins.

I wouldn't go as far as to say LHL's remarks killed Ms. Lo. Like I said:
1. There is no evidence.
2. It's possible that she would be killed anyway (curiously, she was spared the intial shootings after capture, but was later killed in a second round of shootings).

However, no one knew the situation then. But the outside world knew they kept some captives. So under such circumstances, do you go shooting your mouth off when it does not help matters whatsoever?

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

How did you come out with this.

1) The terrorists were not tuned in to the media
2) They were on a mission to do as much mayhem, killing and destruction.
3) Singapore does not register in the maps and minds of most people around the world.
4) The World media would not have carried it his message because there were more interesting things to report.
5) When the world sees his name being mentioned, they might have associated him with some nutcase from Taiwanese parliament.
6) There was no negotiation, hostage taking etc

The PAP is an oppressive regime and LHL has never been an impressive person. You are giving credit to an idiot who can't even convince his father not to intervene.

If you want to screw the PAP, at least pick something credible and logical. Secondly learn to read the newspaper properly and if you find it difficult, take it slowly. Thirdly, try and connect the dots. If you can't just keep quiet and let us think you got have a half a brain.

Only a clown will believe that something that was reported in the local papers and attributed to an idiot can actually influence an event half way around the world.

The terrorists might or might not have been following the news but they certainly were in contact with the outside world. There are many accounts of their telephone conversations with their base camp back in Pakistan.

Even if they didn't know where Singapore was at the onset, it was clear that they soon realized that a Singaporean was amongst one of their hostages. There are many unknowns but what is crystal clear is that gay loong is an imbecile of the highest order.

All we have to do is to have a free press and we will be laughing our asses off at his incessant gaffes. We only know of his gaffes thanks to live coverage. All the reports from news and the papers have all been sanitized by the PAP fascist regime.

 

[eatshitndie]

Cc

The terrorists might or might not have been following the news but they certainly were in contact with the outside world. There are many accounts of their telephone conversations with their base camp back in Pakistan.

Even if they didn't know where Singapore was at the onset, it was clear that they soon realized that a Singaporean was amongst one of their hostages. There are many unknowns but what is crystal clear is that gay loong is an imbecile of the highest order.

All we have to do is to have a free press and we will be laughing our asses off at his incessant gaffes. We only know of his gaffes thanks to live coverage. All the reports from news and the papers have all been sanitized by the PAP fascist regime.

produce the absolute proof and undisputable evidence that directly link his statement to ms. lo's demise. if you can't put up, shut the fuck up. this wouldn't get pass a judge, let alone a grand jury anywhere in the world's judicial system, except perhaps the people's court of imh.

 

[eatshitndie]

what lhl said was public and broadcasted.

produce the proof that directly links his statement to ms. lo's death. put up or shut up.

 

[rodent2005]

produce the proof that directly links his statement to ms. lo's death. put up or shut up.

The point is: whether LHL's remarks caused Ms. Lo's death cannot be proven. But is it wise to shoot your mouth off in such a situation? Was LHL absolutely sure his remarks would not provoke the terrorists or put Singapore nationals at a higher risk?

 

[eatshitndie]

Some captives were indeed released because they were from "friendly nations". Could Ms. Lo have said something like she was sympathetic to their cause to save her life? Or could the terrorists have thought that Singapore was a neutral nation and leave her alone? I mean, there were so many more US and UK nationals to kill right?

she deserved the darwinian award for not thinking with her feet. she could have shouted "death to americans and to bloody brits" and "alla akbar". at least pretend to be sympathetic to their cause. that's what lky would do. he would join them just like he joined the kempeitai to preserve his life. ultimate survivor. and now we get to see his proliferation of his genetic pool. what torture.

 

[eatshitndie]

The point is: whether LHL's remarks caused Ms. Lo's death cannot be proven. But is it wise to shoot your mouth off in such a situation? Was LHL absolutely sure his remarks would not provoke the terrorists or put Singapore nationals at a higher risk?

it is also wise to shut up when you admit there is no proof. otherwise, all credibility is gone even when you have a great point. we're giving him too much credit for an event where he had zero influence. he might attempt to show he had control with his imbecilic statement, but he had no bearing on how individual events unfold. why would any islamofascist caught up with so much to do, so little time, under intense stress, pumped up with adrenalin fine tuned to what a sinkie would say. they would rather tune in to what the american president or british pm had to say on the matter.

too many morons here care too much about what he says. no one in the rest of the world cares. sinkies like to exaggerate their pigeon hole issues out of proportion as though they make global impacts and cause both obama and osama to take minute by minute notice. sheesh. lame. and funny.

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

Cc

produce the absolute proof and undisputable evidence that directly link his statement to ms. lo's demise. if you can't put up, shut the fuck up. this wouldn't get pass a judge, let alone a grand jury anywhere in the world's judicial system, except perhaps the people's court of imh.

Why don't you show indisputable proof to prove your end of your story? :oIo:

This is not a court of law you imbecile! Even in a court of law, judges have to use common sense to form their judgement. Based on the fact that a hostage incident was taking place and gay loong antagonised the hostage takers, it is factually correct to say that gay loong certainly didn't hep the situation.

If gay loong didn't help the situation then gay loong either escalated the situation or his act was met with indifference by the hostage takers. Whether the hostage takers were knowledgeable or not of gay loong's antagonistic words is besides the point. The point is that gay loong is an idiot and a useless leader who is better kept in some dark office to perform simple accounting chores than to lead a political party or worse yet a country!

 

[eatshitndie]

it takes one idiot to identify another idiot.

 

[TracyTan866]

You think the terrorist tune in to CNA for news to hear what LHL got to say? Only sinkies like you think the world cared about Singapore.

You think the terrorists were not well informed? You think the terrorists have no accomplices who are keeping them updates?? You think the terrorists are not plugged in to the media?

I wonder who is the naive one

 

[TracyTan866]

I am not frustrated nor am I name calling. I am just stating the truth about you.

The truth? And you think you knowthe truth?

The world will decide what is the truth, not because you said that it's the truth.

so be humble and know your position in the eyes of others. dont go around and tell others that what you said is the truth. what the truth is to you is just your opinion.

 

[TracyTan866]

LHL boasts a double first from Cambridge. I suspect he was going for a triple first by writing a new handbook on hostage negotiation. Only one sentence exists in his book - condemn the terrorists at your first opportunity to wake them up and they will free your citizens.

A M'sian leader once described MM as 'too clever by half' some 45 years ago. 45 years later, I say the same for the son.

There are many books and articles written on hostage negotiation and none teaches you to be hostile towards the terrorists while they have the upper hand. Sadly, LHL was either ignorant or wrongly advised. Silence is not golden all the time but in this case, silent means enhancing the chances of survival for your national.

Yes, very true